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Dec 24, 2015 12:07:05   #
PeterS
 
Simple question: is there a hell? I've butted heads with Blade Runner over whether hell consists of Brim Fires--he says there isn't any--but he has never committed himself to actually addressing the question of whether there is a hell. So will those who haven't accepted Christ, or have other beliefs--go to hell, and if not Brim Fire, experience a punishment severely gross. So what say you Christians on this day before the celebration of the birth of Christ and the winters solstice? Hell or no? Will I barbecue or will I simply have the eternal sleep that my beliefs predicate anyway...

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Dec 24, 2015 12:28:58   #
wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia
 
PeterS wrote:
Simple question: is there a hell? I've butted heads with Blade Runner over whether hell consists of Brim Fires--he says there isn't any--but he has never committed himself to actually addressing the question of whether there is a hell. So will those who haven't accepted Christ, or have other beliefs--go to hell, and if not Brim Fire, experience a punishment severely gross. So what say you Christians on this day before the celebration of the birth of Christ and the winters solstice? Hell or no? Will I barbecue or will I simply have the eternal sleep that my beliefs predicate anyway...
Simple question: is there a hell? I've butted head... (show quote)





Awful consequences if your wrong. What's so hard about accepting a free gift?

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Dec 24, 2015 12:31:56   #
PeterS
 
wuzblynd wrote:
Awful consequences if your wrong. What's so hard about accepting a free gift?

That's just it. Are the consequences awful? And if I can't live my life as I choose how is the gift free?

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Dec 24, 2015 12:40:02   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
wuzblynd wrote:
Awful consequences if your wrong. What's so hard about accepting a free gift?


You have to pretend to believe. That makes it hard!!

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Dec 24, 2015 12:43:07   #
wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia
 
PeterS wrote:
That's just it. Are the consequences awful? And if I can't live my life as I choose how is the gift free?


You can live your life the way u want. The apostol paul wrote, every thing for me is permissible, but not everything is beneficial. You have no clue what happiness can be had by living according to the directions of the creator. You ask to many questions to not believe. You know something is up.

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Dec 24, 2015 13:00:01   #
Kevyn
 
wuzblynd wrote:
You can live your life the way u want. The apostol paul wrote, every thing for me is permissible, but not everything is beneficial. You have no clue what happiness can be had by living according to the directions of the creator. You ask to many questions to not believe. You know something is up.

It looks like the satisfaction of smug self righteousness is all the reward you need.

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Dec 24, 2015 13:04:24   #
PeterS
 
wuzblynd wrote:
You can live your life the way u want. The apostol paul wrote, every thing for me is permissible, but not everything is beneficial. You have no clue what happiness can be had by living according to the directions of the creator. You ask to many questions to not believe. You know something is up.

I can live my life the way I want but not without consequence. I see no reason to bow before a god that reason tells me is not there. But if I don't bow down and accept Christ then I am told my punishment is hell. It matters not that the net actions of my life have been a benefit to my fellow man. Nope, nor does it matter that I follow the words that Christ preaches--what matters is that I don't believe he is a god! That's the basis for my punishment. Not the deeds I've done to others but the perception of a deed not done to a god.

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Dec 24, 2015 13:15:19   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
I can live my life the way I want but not without consequence. I see no reason to bow before a god that reason tells me is not there. But if I don't bow down and accept Christ then I am told my punishment is hell. It matters not that the net actions of my life have been a benefit to my fellow man. Nope, nor does it matter that I follow the words that Christ preaches--what matters is that I don't believe he is a god! That's the basis for my punishment. Not the deeds I've done to others but the perception of a deed not done to a god.
I can live my life the way I want but not without ... (show quote)


It IS a sad concept, isn't it?

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Dec 24, 2015 13:27:30   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
PeterS wrote:
Simple question: is there a hell? I've butted heads with Blade Runner over whether hell consists of Brim Fires--he says there isn't any--but he has never committed himself to actually addressing the question of whether there is a hell. So will those who haven't accepted Christ, or have other beliefs--go to hell, and if not Brim Fire, experience a punishment severely gross. So what say you Christians on this day before the celebration of the birth of Christ and the winters solstice? Hell or no? Will I barbecue or will I simply have the eternal sleep that my beliefs predicate anyway...
Simple question: is there a hell? I've butted head... (show quote)


Scriptures are very clear when it comes to who will enter into eternal Life and who will be cast into the Hell .

It's up to every one to make their choice where they will spend eternity !

Jesus is very clear when he says NO One comes to the Father except by me !

All those that refuse to accept the free gift that God provides in his Son and are not Baptized into Jesus's Death Burial and Resurrection they will not enter into the eternal rest in God's presence !

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Dec 24, 2015 13:30:34   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
4430 wrote:
Scriptures are very clear when it comes to who will enter into eternal Life and who will be cast into the Hell .

It's up to every one to make their choice where they will spend eternity !

Jesus is very clear when he says NO One comes to the Father except by me !

All those that refuse to accept the free gift that God provides in his Son and are not Baptized into Jesus's Death Burial and Resurrection they will not enter into the eternal rest in God's presence !


Scripture. What a ball and chain.

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Dec 24, 2015 13:32:35   #
wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia
 
Kevyn wrote:
It looks like the satisfaction of smug self righteousness is all the reward you need.




Typical lib. Don't have nothing useful to contribute so let's try some insults! U should really consider driving ur jeep off a cliff........really.....it'll only hurt for a second or two!

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Dec 24, 2015 13:33:49   #
wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia
 
PeterS wrote:
I can live my life the way I want but not without consequence. I see no reason to bow before a god that reason tells me is not there. But if I don't bow down and accept Christ then I am told my punishment is hell. It matters not that the net actions of my life have been a benefit to my fellow man. Nope, nor does it matter that I follow the words that Christ preaches--what matters is that I don't believe he is a god! That's the basis for my punishment. Not the deeds I've done to others but the perception of a deed not done to a god.
I can live my life the way I want but not without ... (show quote)






Best wishes!!! Hope u don't mind if I remember u in prayer!!

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Dec 24, 2015 13:34:07   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Scripture. What a ball and chain.


Only for non-believers !

Sounds like you've made your decision where you will spend eternity !

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Dec 24, 2015 13:50:29   #
Liberty Tree
 
4430 wrote:
Only for non-believers !

Sounds like you've made your decision where you will spend eternity !


They are not looking for honest answers but just for excuses to confirm their unbelief and criticize those who do.

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Dec 24, 2015 15:31:57   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
Simple question: is there a hell? I've butted heads with Blade Runner over whether hell consists of Brim Fires--he says there isn't any--but he has never committed himself to actually addressing the question of whether there is a hell. So will those who haven't accepted Christ, or have other beliefs--go to hell, and if not Brim Fire, experience a punishment severely gross. So what say you Christians on this day before the celebration of the birth of Christ and the winters solstice? Hell or no? Will I barbecue or will I simply have the eternal sleep that my beliefs predicate anyway...
Simple question: is there a hell? I've butted head... (show quote)
No sweat, Pete, you will have your eternal sleep.

We are told (1 John 4:1-6) to test all teachings with scripture. Even Jesus Himself told his disciples to test what He was teaching with the Word of God.

The fear of an eternal punishment in a lake of fire is a false belief that emerged in Medieval times, a time of superstitions, witchcraft and black magic. It was a damnation foisted upon the people by Roman Catholicism. (This explains the unique Catholic concept of heresy and the resulting inquisitions, and BURNINGS AT THE STAKE) The spiritual metaphor for hell was taken literally. Fire, both literally and metaphorically, has always represented or resulted in complete destruction, whether it be a physical stick of wood or the spiritual human soul.

Unfortunately many Christians today resort to threatening unrepentant sinners with hell fire as a means of either justifying such condemnation--an arrogant goading, to say the least--or to hopefully win them over--bring them to Jesus, so to speak. It simply does not work that way. All we can really do is pass along the Lord's invitation to salvation. It is entirely up to the individual to decide--to choose life or death. The sacrifice Jesus made--his death, resurrection and ascension--is the Supreme example of this.

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Biblically Dispelling the Myth of Eternal Torture

by Dirk Waren

Eternal Damnation: What does the Bible Really Teach?

Traditionally, the most prominent view regarding eternal damnation is that the people cast into hell—the lake of fire—will suffer fiery conscious torments forever and ever. Depicting the horrors of this belief was a favorite subject amongst artists in medieval times, resulting in all manner of imaginative and ghastly portraits of people suffering unending agony. Some have since tried to modify this position a bit, suggesting a more metaphorical view, that the unending pain experienced probably refers to the mental anguish of eternal loss and “separation from God;” but it makes no significant difference as both views involve the notion of eternal torment.

This may indeed be the traditionally prominent view regarding human damnation, but is it biblical? That is, do the Judeo-Christian scriptures really teach it? Will the multitudes of people who reject God, and hence are rejected by God, really be subjected to never-ending conscious misery—with no merciful pause to their agony?

One might contend that it is heretical to even question such a long-standing, widely accepted Christian teaching, but if this doctrine is truly scriptural then its proponents have nothing to worry about. Furthermore, it is only proper that all doctrines, no matter how traditional or popular, be questioned in light of what the bible clearly teaches, for it is the God-breathed scriptures alone which we must look to for truth, not popularity or religious tradition. This is the theological principle of sola scriptura, Latin for “by scripture alone,” which maintains that the bible is the final authority regarding all judgments of Christian doctrine and practice.

Because of this sound principle many traditional doctrines and practices have proven to be false over the years and have properly been discarded. Needless to say it’s a very positive thing for Christians to periodically reevaluate their beliefs and practices because it helps prevent Christendom from straying from the biblical model. Since reevaluating official church teachings is very much a part of the Christian heritage, and is indeed a healthy practice, there should be no problem presently in simply entertaining the possibility that tradition may be in error regarding this belief of perpetual conscious torment.
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Eternal Torment in Hell: The Silent Subject of the Church

I recently read in a major news magazine that this teaching of hell as eternal torture has all but disappeared from the pulpit ministry in both mainline and evangelical churches. Why is this so? Why are Christians who are committed to this doctrine so reluctant to openly and honestly preach it? Why do they mask what they really believe by saying that the unredeemed will ultimately “perish” or be “destroyed” or suffer eternal “separation from God?” Yes, you’ll hear ‘hell’ brought up now and then, but you’ll rarely, if ever, hear anyone explain what He or she really means when using this term—that is, suffering fiery conscious torment forever and ever with no merciful respite from the misery.

If this is so true, why is everyone so timid about spelling it out loud and clear? The answer is obvious: they’re ashamed of it. They’re ashamed of it because, as Clark Pinnock so aptly put it, this doctrine of eternal torture makes God out to be morally worse than Hitler “who maintains an everlasting Auschwitz for his enemies whom He does not even allow to die. How can one love a God like that? I suppose one might be afraid of Him, but could we love and respect Him? Would we want to strive to be like Him in His mercilessness?” Let’s be honest here and tell it like it is: The doctrine of never-ending conscious torment makes God out to be a cruel, unjust, merciless monster. Who would possibly want to accept salvation from such a God?

Although there are many good reasons for questioning this teaching, the most important reason is the simple fact that the bible does not teach it. Contrary to the loud claims of its staunch supporters, it is not a scriptural doctrine, and this is being realized by a growing number of biblically faithful Christians today. The bible gives strong, irrefutable proof to any honest reader that hell, the lake of fire, signifies literal everlasting destruction for ungodly people,1 not eternal conscious torment. This is the main reason why so many Christians of all persuasions are embracing the doctrine of everlasting destruction not because they’re “going liberal” as supporters of eternal torment claim. In other words, it’s a case of going biblical, not going liberal.

For clear proof that literal everlasting destruction is what the bible really teaches, let us simply turn to the pages of scripture; after all, a thorough, honest study of the bible will always reveal the truth.
url=http://www.truthaccordingtoscripture.com/docu... (show quote)

The wages of sin is death.
Romans 6:23,

So let's run a few tests (Definitely not all, but some):

Ezekiel 18:4 and 20, Ezekiel 18:32, Ecclesiastes 9:5, Psalm 115:17, Psalm 37:20, John 3:16, Deuteronomy 31:16, 1 Kings 2:10 1 Kings 11:43, Proverbs 11:19, Matthew 7:13-14, John 8:51, John 11:25-26, Acts 2:34, Acts 13:36, Romans 8:13, Galatians 6:8, 1 Corinthians 1:18, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-92, 2 Thessalonians 2:10, Peter 2:6, 2 Peter 3:9, James 1:14-15, James 5:20 . . . .

So, when the time comes, Pete--R.I.P.

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