payne1000

Third eyewitness says it was three large men who carried out the false flag attack:
http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/12/third-eyewitness-to-san-bernardino-says-it-wasnt-couple/#

RWNJ

And what do the OTHER witnesses say? Do you even care?

payne1000

When I search for witnesses, most of the links which come up have witnesses saying the shooters were three large men.
This one has witnesses but they don't describe the shooters.
http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2015/12/03/76716194/
Do you have any links which show witnesses saying Farook and his wife were the shooters?

RWNJ

Why don't you at least wait until the investigation is complete, before you start spouting your conspiracy theories?

payne1000

If evidence is available now, why not discuss it?
If the shootings are a false flag operation, it will be the real perpetrators who are doing the investigation. The news media will pronounce the Farooks guilty without providing any concrete evidence of their guilt as was done in the Boston marathon bombing and 9/11.
Did you find any witnesses who said they saw Farook doing the shooting?

RWNJ

Weapons, tons of ammo and bombs, along with the materials to make more bombs. They were killed in a shootout with the police. And you claim that they are INNOCENT?!? Seriously?

payne1000

The weapons and the bombs could have been planted. None of the people who knew the Farooks had ever seen them with bombs or assault weapons. The photos of the Ford Suv in which the Farooks were killed show the windows were up at the time the police riddled them with bullets. How could the farooks fire long barreled assault weapons through windows which were rolled up?

JMHO Loc: Utah

Because they shot out of the back window you moron! You conspiracy nut bags never give up do you? Even if you are confronted with the truth, you still make stuff up...sigh. Everything has to be a conspiracy to you clowns...did it ever occur to you that witness, or some so-called others, may not know what he is talking about? That they may be as screwed up in the head as you are?

payne1000

Can you supply a source which validates your claim?
The back window does not open or roll down on a Ford SUV.
The official story must be that the Farooks fired first since the police would not have a reason to fire on them unless they fired first. The bullets the police fired apparently came from the front and the side. Why would the Farooks commit suicide by initiating a gun battle with multiple police vehicles? The only scenario which makes sense is the police were instructed to make sure they killed the Farooks to silence them. I doubt the Farooks were able to fire back at all.

JMHO Loc: Utah

I watched it on TV!!!! They said that they shot out the rear window and started shooting at the cops! They did start shooting first! Didn't you watch it, or you just take the word of nut bags? Why would the Farooks commit suicide???????????? You're unbelievable, pal....UNBELIEVABLE! Now, I suppose, according to your logic, the cops could have given a time-out signal, walked up to the vehicle and asked them if they planned on shooting first, and if they planned on committing suicide...right? Re-tune your tin foil hat, pal.

RWNJ

They wanted their 72 virgins. That's why they resisted arrest. No self respecting rag head would allow themselves to be captured.

payne1000

You watched it on TV? The TV presstitutes said they shot out of the rear window? You believe everything the Zionist-owned media tells you?

reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.

There can only be one explanation for the pyan0000000,, troll , plant , moron , despicable , jihadist , take your pick !

RWNJ

How about all of them? They are not mutually exclusive after all.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

This morning I heard an excellent commentary on the eyewitness accounts of "who they think they saw" and who was really there.

The commentator focused on several aspects of the unreliability of eyewitnesses who are under extreme stress, especially in those situations where the possibility of being killed may be imminent. Psychological defense mechanisms come into play that often severely alter perceptions. Usually these defense mechanisms will attempt to create a vision of something much less harmful, even harmless. The commentator said, "Hell, someone in that room may have even seen Santa Claus handing out Christmas candy canes and teddy bears." Yep, the term "scared shitless" is a real world experience.

On the other hand, perceptions of others may have taken a different route. They may have perceived the threat to be much greater, much larger, than it really was. They may have seen great hairy giants with flamethrowers coming at them. In other words, the terrified mind processes the sensory data the eye receives very differently than when watching a movie or looking at a bouquet of flowers.

Now, let's put some perspective on this: the terrorists (whether there were two or three has not yet been definitely established) were all dressed in black, head to foot--they were hooded in black, their tactical suits were black, their boots were black, their guns were black, and, damn, even their freaking vehicle was black.

And yet, Lord have mercy, someone saw WHITE. Somewhere in that mind bending chaos, someone perceived a mass of WHITE, a complete 180 from what was there.

Now let's take a look at this guy, Chirs Nwadike.

He says he "received a phone call from an unknown person around 7 p.m., on the evening of the shooting, who told him that he must say that Sayd (sic) Farook was the shooter."

"You read that right, he says that he was called and told to change his story and say that Farook carried out the attacks with his wife, even though that is very different than what he witnessed."

In spite of the fact that the Obama regime and the MSM are adamant about never connecting an act of terrorism with anything Islam and would severely chastise any one of their employees or representatives for doing so, what payne, the insane, is trying to imply here is that a government thug (or some other pro-Islam leftist) threatened old Nwadike, coerced him into admitting he saw MUSLIMS doing the dirty deed.

See, the thing is, in an absolutely frightening circumstance, a person may experience a kind of temporary psychosis, an altered reality that will pass sooner or later. But, what we are seeing in payne (and others here) are the exhibitions of a chronic psychosis that is unable to view and perceive the real world. That's how the conspiracy theory (and terrorism) works. That is what unbridled hate can do. People see things that just aren't there.

A final note: Those of us who choose a dangerous profession, sport or pursuit--such as military combat, police, firefighters, mountain climbers, parachutists, etc.,--train, study, practice, and train some more to deal with the fear, the psychological perceptions under stress, to "keep our heads", stay "squared away" during the calculated risks we take. Most people are not so trained, they have no mental and emotional resources with which to sustain a real world perspective.