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Top 10 Most Common Atheist Arguments, and Why They Fail (Part B)
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Nov 9, 2015 14:33:45   #
JW
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Definitely not the way an idiot reads it.


That is quite telling, you know how idiots read things...

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Nov 9, 2015 14:49:13   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
JW wrote:
That is quite telling, you know how idiots read things...
Yeah, like when they think that Genesis 3:19 is talking about tadpoles and pond scum.

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Nov 9, 2015 15:02:28   #
Singularity
 
PeterS wrote:
RATIONALISM: a belief or theory that opinions and actions should be based on reason and knowledge rather than on religious belief or emotional response. A theory that reason rather than experience is the foundation of certainty in knowledge.

Note, REASON lies at the center of rationalism.

IRRATIONALISM: a system emphasizing intuition, instinct, feeling, or faith rather than reason or holding that the universe is governed by irrational or supernatural forces.

Note that FAITH, feelings, instinct, and intuition lie at the center of irrationalism.

Reason isn't a means of finding faith but a means of going through life without the need for it. In fact, the greater your propensity to use reason the less of a propensity you will have to use faith--they are inversely proportional to each other and the greater you have of one the less you will have of the other.
color=blue RATIONALISM: a belief or theory that o... (show quote)


Reason and faith are not opposites any more than a right and left hand; they are complimentary. I believe the happiest people are those who value and cultivate both, along with the wisdom to know what proportions are appropriate to bring to different experiences.

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Nov 9, 2015 15:47:31   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Singularity wrote:
"The widely held fear that a Godless citizenry must experience societal disaster is therefore refuted."


The 20th century — the first universally secular (atheist) century — is the most violent century in recorded human history.

Most of the violence has been committed by "governments."

Most of the violence committed by "governments" has been against innocent, non-combatant civilians.

Most of the violence committed by "governments" against innocent, non-combatant civilians has been against "their own" citizens, not external "enemies."

1900-1999: 262,000,000 citizens murdered by their atheist governments.

Secular democide murdered 6 times more people than died in combat in all the foreign and internal wars of the century.



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Nov 9, 2015 16:12:38   #
Singularity
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
The 20th century — the first universally secular (atheist) century — is the most violent century in recorded human history.

Most of the violence has been committed by "governments."

Most of the violence committed by "governments" has been against innocent, non-combatant civilians.

Most of the violence committed by "governments" against innocent, non-combatant civilians has been against "their own" citizens, not external "enemies."

1900-1999: 262,000,000 citizens murdered by their atheist governments.

Secular democide murdered 6 times more people than died in combat in all the foreign and internal wars of the century.
b The 20th century — the first universally secula... (show quote)


I don't see a source citation for this, but that's okay, as:
the dubious facts are not pertinent,
and the illogical conclusion is irrelevant,
to the claims made in the article I posted,
which you reference as the impetus for this rant.

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Nov 9, 2015 17:06:42   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Singularity wrote:
I don't see a source citation for this, but that's okay, as:
the dubious facts are not pertinent,
and the illogical conclusion is irrelevant,
to the claims made in the article I posted,
which you reference as the impetus for this rant.
"Here is one study that indicates that secular societies may have less violent crimes."

The thrust of your post suggested that secular societies are morally superior to faith based ones. I merely posted some stats that seem to suggest otherwise. And you call that a rant?

verb: rant;
1. speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way.

---------> 262 million citizens Murdered by Government is not "dubious", it really did happen.

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Nov 9, 2015 17:57:10   #
Singularity
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
"Here is one study that indicates that secular societies may have less violent crimes."

The thrust of your post suggested that secular societies are morally superior to faith based ones. I merely posted some stats that seem to suggest otherwise. And you call that a rant?

verb: rant;
1. speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way.

---------> 262 million citizens Murdered by Government is not "dubious", it really did happen.
i "Here is one study that indicates that sec... (show quote)


I will let it stand as you have posted it; I cannot refute it because I cannot decipher your meaning or logic on this one.

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Nov 9, 2015 18:16:22   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
"Here is one study that indicates that secular societies may have less violent crimes."

The thrust of your post suggested that secular societies are morally superior to faith based ones. I merely posted some stats that seem to suggest otherwise. And you call that a rant?

verb: rant;
1. speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way.

---------> 262 million citizens Murdered by Government is not "dubious", it really did happen.
i "Here is one study that indicates that sec... (show quote)

All Western societies are secular--including the great and wonderful United States of America. And just why is it you can't have faith and be secular? As for stats--all you did was prove every asshole has one. Now tell us something we didn't know...

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Nov 9, 2015 18:18:03   #
PeterS
 
duplicate

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Nov 9, 2015 18:48:29   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Atta boy, pete, hang in there. Your irrational sermons in defense of reason must be damn near euphoric.

Reason is an act of the finite mental function we call the intellect. It has its limitations, its flaws, and, yes, its strengths. There are many internal and external influences (you can reason those out) that affect its conclusions, influences that can result in irrational or erroneous conclusions. Sensory perception (the five senses), is not the sole source of wisdom in our search for truth.
Atta boy, pete, hang in there. Your irrational ser... (show quote)

WISDOM:noun
the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment; the quality of being wise.

Actually, I think reason is the source of wisdom in our search for truth. As for the limitations of reason--true--but the more we use reason the fewer limitations that there are. You should try it some time. You would be amazed...

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Nov 9, 2015 18:57:05   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yeah, like when they think that Genesis 3:19 is talking about tadpoles and pond scum.

No, 3:19 says life comes from the earth and will return to it. Even god knows where life comes from...

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Nov 9, 2015 19:22:18   #
JW
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yeah, like when they think that Genesis 3:19 is talking about tadpoles and pond scum.


Is that what you think it says? I hate to be the one to break it to you but neither tadpoles nor pond scum can thrive in dust.

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Nov 9, 2015 23:24:44   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
All Western societies are secular--including the great and wonderful United States of America. And just why is it you can't have faith and be secular? As for stats--all you did was prove every asshole has one. Now tell us something we didn't know...
“So the final conclusion would surely be that whereas other civilizations have been brought down by attacks of barbarians from without, ours had the unique distinction of training its own destroyers at its own educational institutions, and then providing them with facilities for propagating their destructive ideology far and wide, all at the public expense. Thus did Western Man decide to abolish himself, creating his own boredom out of his own affluence, his own vulnerability out of his own strength, his own impotence out of his own erotomania, himself blowing the trumpet that brought the walls of his own city tumbling down, and having convinced himself that he was too numerous, labored with pill and scalpel and syringe to make himself fewer. Until at last, having educated himself into imbecility, and polluted and drugged himself into stupefaction, he keeled over--a weary, battered old brontosaurus--and became extinct.”

Malcolm Muggeridge: Religion and Society

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Nov 10, 2015 15:44:51   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
“So the final conclusion would surely be that whereas other civilizations have been brought down by attacks of barbarians from without, ours had the unique distinction of training its own destroyers at its own educational institutions, and then providing them with facilities for propagating their destructive ideology far and wide, all at the public expense. Thus did Western Man decide to abolish himself, creating his own boredom out of his own affluence, his own vulnerability out of his own strength, his own impotence out of his own erotomania, himself blowing the trumpet that brought the walls of his own city tumbling down, and having convinced himself that he was too numerous, labored with pill and scalpel and syringe to make himself fewer. Until at last, having educated himself into imbecility, and polluted and drugged himself into stupefaction, he keeled over--a weary, battered old brontosaurus--and became extinct.”

Malcolm Muggeridge: Religion and Society
i “So the final conclusion would surely be that w... (show quote)

Either that or a comet will hit. And hey, if you can't answer my questions then just punt. Sometimes no response is the best response of all...

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