When you get the chance to jump on someone for making a mistake you are all over it like dung beetles on poo. So it is very hypocritical of you to get your panties in a bunch when you are called out for "an error". You were wrong about the same thing in several posts.

You are deflecting.

Now here is the part that really gets my ire up. In my post to you, I told you you were wrong, but I was never derogatory nor insulting and you insist on continue to behave with those behaviors. When are you going to learn that you do not deserve any respect when you do not give any. "You can kiss my shady spot you blithering idiots." is vulgar and disrespectful and unwarranted when directed at me. I am not a blithering idiot, as you well know, especially when considering your posts. And yes, that was a blatant insult, you are a blithering idiot. I will even go so far as to say you are THE blithering idiot. See now you have made me fall off the wagon with your arrogant, belittling behavior and exasperating need to always win when there is no possibility of you doing so.

Obama promised in his campaign speeches during his first campaign to have us out withing 18 months of his election. It took him much longer than that and we still have troops there, so he did not get us out yet. The same thing with Afghanistan.

As this next part is based partly on speculation and partly on what I have gathered about how those wars have been fought since they began.
I would like to point out that the United States Military was hampered in getting the job done quickly by politicians and politics. It was hampered by the constant negative reports in the Mainstream Liberal Media. It was hampered by Rules of Engagement that made it very difficult to fight the war. Talk to a veteran of those theaters, you will find the truth, as a vet who uses the VAMC quite a bit, I get the opportunity to talk to vets from those theaters on a regular basis. It was not always sunshine and roses over there.

We LOST Viet Nam due to the same thing. So before you continue to tell yourself that your precious Obama won the war, remember that politicians on both sides of the fence did not allow that war to be quick. Including your precious Democrats.

Yes, let's avoid calling each other "blithering idiots" or for that matter "like dung beetles on poo", OK?

t's a constant fantasy of soldiers that they could've won the last war if it hadn't been for politicians and the media getting in their way. (At the risk of sounding like Glenn Beck, that's what Hitler said about WWI.) I suppose if you have overwhelming military superiority, it's always possible to "win" a war, as long as you don't care about a few hundred thousand more civilian casualties.

As for Iraq, the Bush people first lied us into the war, then bungled it because they hadn't taken them time to understand what was going on. (My favorite bungle: dissolving the Iraqi army. So we had lots of unemployed Sunni ex-military. Sunni? What's that? ) Obama said he would get us out, and he did. No US troops there.

As for Afghanistan, we should have won there before we started invading other countries. Instead we stopped thinking about Afghanistan, stopped looking for Bin Laden, and focused on Iraq. The Taliban started making a comeback by 2004. It's now 2013, and we're finally starting to get out.