Loki Loc: Georgia

This time, in Oregon. Just like every single mass shooting in the past ten years except for one, it occurred in a gun free zone.
As expected, the Prevaricator-in-Chief went on National TV and called for "common sense gun control." Typical. All but one mass shooting occurs in a gun free zone, so create more of them. All of these shooters had mental problems. Many were being medicated with psychotropic drugs. Several of them used stolen weapons that no gun control in the world would have prevented.
In 2013, the Instant Background Check supported by the NRA caused more than 70,000 stops on people who were attempting to purchase guns illegally. The BATFE, the Federal Agency tasked with gun law enforcement, prosecuted less than 100 of these cases, and obtained less than 30 convictions. Out.Of.More.Than.76,000 violations.
The solution IS more "common sense gun control." The most sensible of which would be to abolish the BATFE, and start prosecuting the incompetent, corrupt cowboy peckerheads that infest this agency, rather than give them a "get-out-of-jail free" card.
You may recall that this is the same BATFE that came up with the wildly successful "Fast and Furious" gunwalking? program. It was wildly successful, for the Mexican dope cartels who scored more than 2500 firearms that the BATFE "lost." More than forty of them have been recovered in AZ, confiscated from wetback criminals who were apprehended by police while committing felonies.
How many BATFE agents were prosecuted or disciplined for this fiasco which resulted in numerous deaths? None. Nada. Zilch. Zip, zero.
The link below is a small sample of BATFE abuses and screwups. It is by no means complete. These clueless mothers' mistakes are the people Obama wants in charge of his "sensible gun control."


http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/individ.html

Once more, this list is a small sample, by no means complete.


An interesting codicil I just came across, the words of not only Thomas Jefferson, but also of Walter Mondale:


Thomas Jefferson: A Repertory of His Ideas on
Government, ed. Gilbert Chinard (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press, 1926), 314: "A principal source of errors and injustice are false ideas of utility. For example: that legislator has false ideas of utility who considers particular more than general conveniencies, who had rather command the sentiments of mankind than excite them, who dares say to reason, 'Be thou a slave;' who would sacrifice a thousand real advantages to the fear of an imaginary or trifling inconvenience; who would deprive men of the use of fire for fear of their being burnt, and of water for fear of their
being drowned; and who knows of no means of preventing evil but by destroying it.

The laws of this nature are those which forbid to wear arms, disarming those only who are not
disposed to commit the crime which the laws mean to prevent. Can it be supposed, that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, and the most important of the code, will respect the less considerable and arbitrary injunctions, the violation of which is so easy, and
of so little comparative importance? Does not the execution of this law deprive the subject of that personal liberty, so dear to mankind and to the wise legislator? and does it not subject the innocent to all the disagreeable circumstances that should only fall on the guilty? It certainly makes the situation of the assaulted worse, and of the assailants better, and rather encourages than prevents murder, as it requires less courage to attack unarmed than armed persons."



Former Democratic party presidential Candidate (against Ronald Reagan) Walter Mondale stated once: "Gun bans don't disarm criminals--they attract criminals

Bear in mind that in Obama's mind, gun bans ARE sensible gun control. While a Senator, he voted to ban private ownership of handguns, require a ruinous annual tax on gun owners, ban ownership of ALL semi-automatic weapons, (including hunting shotguns ), require expensive and time-consuming Federal licensing for firearms owners, and all the while claimed to be a Second Amendment supporter.
Not a single proposal he has endorsed would do a single thing to prevent mass shootings. Enforcement of existing laws would, but we have already seen how effective the BATFE is at that. They are FAR too busy harrassing law abiding citizens and smuggling guns to Mexican dope gangs to enforce those laws already on the books. The solution is not to make more laws that won't be enforced.

In the past 20 years, the US population has increased by about 40 million. There have been 11 million concealed carry permits issued. The number of murders has dropped by 50%. Not per capita, the actual NUMBER of murders has dropped. The per capita is even greater. Liberal proponents of "sensible gun control" hope to God you won't look up the statistics from both the US Department of Justice and the FBI which bear this out. It screws up their whole sales pitch.

roy

I wondered how long it would be before you got to blameing obama for this. When republicans take control who will you blame then when this happens.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Obama, who else? Most Democrats refuse to admit that it does no good to pass more laws that will be enforced no better than the ones we already have. None of the gun control laws proposed would have stopped either Columbine, or the Connecticut shootings. Both of those were done by whack jobs with stolen guns. As I indicated, in the past ten years, there has only been one mass shooting that occured OUTSIDE of a "gun free zone," that being the one in AZ. In most of these instances, the type of firearm used, or the magazine capacity is of no importance, because the shooters could have fired just as many rounds no matter what sort of firearm they used, due to the response time of somebody with a gun to stop them. We already have laws to prevent mental patients from purchasing guns. They are not enforced. What on Earth makes you think that more laws would be? The figure of more than 70,000 stops on purchases and less than 30 convictions is not something I pulled out of thin air. There were nationally televised hearings on this all over CNN. "Fast and Furious" is a national disgrace, and the refusal of the Obama Administration to prosecute a single agent for this fiasco is an even bigger one. It is not just Democrats, either. The government murder of Randy Weaver's wife at Ruby Ridge happened on the watch of Bush, Sr. In case you have forgotten, a Federal sniper, from a distance of less than 100 yards, shot Mrs. Weaver dead "accidentally." At the time, Ms Weaver was unarmed and holding an infant in her arms. Congress finally awarded Randy Weaver several million dollars in damages.
The murderous son-of-a-bitch who shot the unarmed woman? His name is Lon Horiuchi, and he was never prosecuted, nor were his superiors.

PeterS

Don't worry Loki, your guns are safe. We've been through this routine too many times and this country is far too in love with guns to do anything about it. But here's question: how many mass shootings happen in other countries where gun free zones exist? Any? Arm yourself it you like--anymore I could really care less...

reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.

Well Roy , Oboma got the ball rolling with his commom sence gun control statement, just what the hell does that mean? Can you tell us what that means? This coming from a man ,who is famous for the lies and contempt for our soilders and ignoiring the very Constatution which gave a punk like him a chance to desecrate the USA . Well roy,, what dose common sence gun control mean ? To Me it means a clear site pitcure, controled breathing a slow trigger sqwezzzz and the suprise of the recoil as the SOB drops!!

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Loki,

The news report I watched stated the school allows conceal and carry. If true this is not a gun free zone..

I watched network news, NBC I believe.

Where was your report from?

Now on, I will watch for a clear verification of this part of the story...

Loki Loc: Georgia

So glad you asked, they have happened in at least 11 other countries, and in 3 of those countries,the rates are higher than the US. Bear in mind that the US is by far one of the most populous countries in the world. Switzerland, Norway, and Sweden all have had more fatalities per capita from mass shootings than the US, and in 2 of those countries, Norway and Sweden, there are very strict gun control laws in effect. As a matter of fact, the US has a larger population than all three of these countries combined.
One more time. Enforcement of existing laws will work, IF they are enforced, Passing more unenforceable laws that will do nothing but penalize people who are not criminals will not.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth

Loki Loc: Georgia

I just googled it. Umpqua College is a gun free zone, "except as permitted by Oregon law." Oregon Law states that the college can ban concealed carry. At any rate, the shooter was only 20, which means he could not legally own a handgun.

Loki Loc: Georgia

A statement from one of the students there:




Kendra Gordon told Fox News she was in the room next door to where the shooting occurred. Gordon said her friend was shot.

"I was sitting in class when we had first heard the shot," she said. "And we didn't think it was a gunshot, we thought it was a firecracker. And then we heard another one.

"And so, one of the students in my class, she went out and checked it. She got shot twice, one in the arm, and in the stomach. And she came back and told us to lock the door, shut the lights off. And we sat there for 20 minutes waiting for police to show up."

"Sat there for 20 minutes waiting for the police to show up." Sure sounds like a gun free zone to me. You should understand that Oregon law permits colleges to regulate carry by licensees to the point where it is pointless.

SamDawkins

It is kind of hard to argue with Thomas Jefferson. you make some very solid points Loki.

I have to wonder why we don't enforce the laws we already have?

Loki Loc: Georgia

Bureacracies are the perfect hiding place for incompetent, corrupt pissants. The BATFE has more than it's share. Not to mention the Democrats in general, and the Obama Administration especially has a particular antipathy towards firearms. I personally think it is all part of a systematic effort to foster an atmosphere of dependence. Dependent people are far easier to control. Look at the assholes of both parties that repeatedly get re-elected on empty promises, and the apathetic, ignorant voters who do the voting. As long as the powers that be don't mess with "American Idol" or NFL football, the average American has no idea what his or her representatives are up to, they are too lazy to look up the voting records for themselves, and rely on self-serving sound bytes from these same scoundrels for their information.

SamDawkins

I must say that I think you are spot on. Though I think you may be a bit to hard on President Obama.
However I am quickly developing a deep respect for your opinion.
I will follow you closely.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Loki,

It seems that most schools would be gun free. The student comment indicates that no one was carrying..

I think your comment about enforcing existing laws is a good one...

Loki Loc: Georgia

The school is a gun free zone. Oregon Law allows the school to prohibit firearms on campus. They had one unarmed security guard on campus. Reports say that the gunman asked some of the victims their religion before he shot them. So far, I have not heard whether the shooter was black, white, or whatever. Some speculation he had a hard-on for Christians, since he reportedly (not confirmed that I know of ) killed the people who said they were Christians.

By the way, the shooter was not old enough to legally purchase a firearm. Latest FBI stats show that weapons used in this type of crime are almost always stolen. Firearms bought "on the street" usually are. No gun control law in the world will stop this. Legally purchased firearms are almost always used in domestic violence crimes.

Most schools are "gun free zones." Most of the students are not old enough to carry legally. This should not prevent those who are from doing so. There was no one on campus armed at the time of this shooting. No one. Not even the one "insecurity guard" on duty at the time. Even the ultra-Liberal Walter Mondale condemned gun free zones as crime magnets.

PeterS

Well, I guess it's just a matter on how you read it. Below is also from Politifact, is from 2000 to 2014, and it paints a different picture.



By the way, Norway is a nation with a population just slightly larger than Dallas. Do you really think a nation where there was 1 mass shooting compared to 133 is a good comparison--but yes, the mass shooting index is what we really should be looking at huh!

Loki, like I said: no one is going to take your guns so you can stop looking for lame excuses to keep them. Your safe, they're safe, you can put your paranoia to bed...