Black Dilemma
Sep 5, 2015 23:18:37 #
The Baltimore Sun is definitely not known as a Conservative news-paper, and this very well written assessment of the situation in the USA comes as something of a surprise. This will obviously be called racist, and will upset liberals, but they should really think about the message and this interesting point of view.
The Black Dilemma
For almost 150 years the United States has been conducting an interesting experiment. The subjects of the experiment: black people and working-class whites.
The hypothesis to be tested: Can a people taken from the jungles of Africa and forced into slavery be fully integrated as citizens in a majority white population?
The whites were descendants of Europeans who had created a majestic civilization. The former slaves had been tribal peoples with no written language and virtually n0vo intellectual achievements. Acting on a policy that was not fair to either group, the government released newly freed black people into a white society that saw them as inferiors. America has struggled with racial discord ever since.
Decade after decade the problems persisted but the experimenters never gave up. They insisted that if they could find the right formula the experiment would work, and concocted program after program to get the result they wanted. They created the Freedmans Bureau, passed civil rights laws, tried to build the Great Society, declared War on Poverty, ordered race preferences, built housing projects, and tried midnight basketball.
Their new laws intruded into peoples' lives in ways that would have been otherwise unthinkable. They called in National Guard troops to enforce school integration. They outlawed freedom of association. Over the protests of parents, they put white children on buses and sent them to black schools and vice-versa. They tried with money, special programs, relaxed standards, and endless hand wringing to close the achievement gap. To keep white backlash in check they began punishing public and even private statements on race. They hung up Orwellian public banners that commanded whites to Celebrate Diversity! and Say No to Racism. Nothing was off limits if it might salvage the experiment.
Some thought that what W.E.B. DuBois called the Talented Tenth would lead the way for black people. A group of elite, educated blacks would knock down doors of opportunity and show the world what blacks were capable of. There is a Talented Tenth. They are the black Americans who have become entrepreneurs, lawyers, doctors and scientists. But ten percent is not enough. For the experiment to work, the ten percent has to be followed by a critical mass of people who can hold middle-class jobs and promote social stability. That is what is missing.
Through the years, too many black people continue to show an inability to function and prosper in a culture unsuited to them. Detroit is bankrupt, the south side of Chicago is a war zone, and the vast majority of black cities all over America are beset by degeneracy and violence. And blacks never take responsibility for their failures. Instead, they lash out in anger and resentment.
Across the generations and across the country, as we have seen in Detroit, Watts, Newark, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, and now Ferguson, rioting and looting are just one racial incident away. The white elite would tell us that this doesn't mean the experiment has failed. We just have to try harder. We need more money, more time, more understanding, more programs, and more opportunities.
But nothing changes no matter how much money is spent, no matter how many laws are passed, no matter how many black geniuses are portrayed on TV, and no matter who is president. Some argue its a problem of culture, as if culture creates peoples' behavior instead of the other way around. Others blame white privilege.
But since 1965, when the elites opened Americas doors to the Third World immigrants from Asia and India. People who are not white, not rich, and not connected, have quietly succeeded. While the children of these people are winning spelling bees and getting top scores on the SAT, black youths are committing half the country's violent crime, which includes viciously punching random white people on the street for the thrill of it that has nothing to do with poverty.
The experiment has failed. Not because of white culture, or white privilege, or white racism. The fundamental problem is that American black culture has evolved into an un-fixable and crime ridden mess. They do not want to change their culture or society, and expect others to tolerate their violence and amoral behavior. They have become socially incompatible with other races by their own design, not because of the racism of others - but by their own hatred of non-blacks.
Our leaders don't seem to understand just how tired their white subjects are with this experiment. They don't understand that white people aren't out to get black people; they are just exhausted with them. They are exhausted by the social pathologies, the violence, the endless complaints, and the blind racial solidarity, the bottomless pit of grievances, the excuses, and the reflexive animosity. The elites explain everything with racism, and refuse to believe that white frustration could soon reach the boiling point.
You can't legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government can't give to anybody anything that the government doesn't first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they don't have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
Ian Duncan
The Baltimore Sun,
May 30, 2015
My comments about this message:
1. You could totally miss the point of this piece. If you are a liberal all you could see or feel is the vitriol within yourself when you read it. I think the points that were made were valid and explains a lot about how the blacks have been manipulated by the government visa via the welfare system and our society in general.
2. I've always said that you can't legislate morality, but in examining that premise I was and am wrong. If a black mother has the opportunity to garner additional monies from the federal government by having more babies the moral issue is abandoned for the carrot that the fed's dangle in front of her. The same holds true when it comes to the premise that if I can get money from the government without working for it, then why not. It then begs the question of the system rigging and again manipulating those lives to the point that they become dependent upon that money, which it turn goes on for generations, and the frustration of self worth is perpetuated .
To me that demonstrates the hopelessness that the blacks feel when it comes to them getting out of that situation, which in turn leads to crime, such as dealing drugs and whatever events (such as rioting) that they feel can get them some degree of satisfaction against the system. A perfect example of this can be seen in most major inner cities, especially in a city like Detroit or St Louis.
3. The culture within certain segments of our society, mainly the black community has been disadvantaged significantly by inferior educational opportunity, welfare, poor job opportunity and especially the lack of a father figure to guide and discipline the children within that community. Self respect is a great equalizer when it comes to the develop-ment of a young mind, and his/her integration in a society that is often difficult for a young black person.
4. President Johnson's "The Great Society" was and is a perfect example of how the war on poverty has failed. I guess that is why in the beginning I always felt that by legislative fiat you couldn't legislate morality. Mostly from the stand point that big government has never been able to solve social problems from a distance or with money.
5. There is one point in this piece that I totally disagree with. That is the premise that most in this society are tired of this experiment. What I think that needs to be done is a re-examination of the methods that have been used (the social manipulation) and direct the efforts more on education and in some way a mentoring program that can uplift this segment of our society. What is missing in this, should I dare say great experiment, is the presentation of incentives, other that money, that would give the black person some degree of hope that they might propel themselves to obtain a better life. Internationally we had the Peace Corp. Why couldn't we develop a similar program here in the U.S. that would foster that mentoring program, and put forth those incentives, to help not just blacks, but all minorities?
The Black Dilemma
For almost 150 years the United States has been conducting an interesting experiment. The subjects of the experiment: black people and working-class whites.
The hypothesis to be tested: Can a people taken from the jungles of Africa and forced into slavery be fully integrated as citizens in a majority white population?
The whites were descendants of Europeans who had created a majestic civilization. The former slaves had been tribal peoples with no written language and virtually n0vo intellectual achievements. Acting on a policy that was not fair to either group, the government released newly freed black people into a white society that saw them as inferiors. America has struggled with racial discord ever since.
Decade after decade the problems persisted but the experimenters never gave up. They insisted that if they could find the right formula the experiment would work, and concocted program after program to get the result they wanted. They created the Freedmans Bureau, passed civil rights laws, tried to build the Great Society, declared War on Poverty, ordered race preferences, built housing projects, and tried midnight basketball.
Their new laws intruded into peoples' lives in ways that would have been otherwise unthinkable. They called in National Guard troops to enforce school integration. They outlawed freedom of association. Over the protests of parents, they put white children on buses and sent them to black schools and vice-versa. They tried with money, special programs, relaxed standards, and endless hand wringing to close the achievement gap. To keep white backlash in check they began punishing public and even private statements on race. They hung up Orwellian public banners that commanded whites to Celebrate Diversity! and Say No to Racism. Nothing was off limits if it might salvage the experiment.
Some thought that what W.E.B. DuBois called the Talented Tenth would lead the way for black people. A group of elite, educated blacks would knock down doors of opportunity and show the world what blacks were capable of. There is a Talented Tenth. They are the black Americans who have become entrepreneurs, lawyers, doctors and scientists. But ten percent is not enough. For the experiment to work, the ten percent has to be followed by a critical mass of people who can hold middle-class jobs and promote social stability. That is what is missing.
Through the years, too many black people continue to show an inability to function and prosper in a culture unsuited to them. Detroit is bankrupt, the south side of Chicago is a war zone, and the vast majority of black cities all over America are beset by degeneracy and violence. And blacks never take responsibility for their failures. Instead, they lash out in anger and resentment.
Across the generations and across the country, as we have seen in Detroit, Watts, Newark, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, and now Ferguson, rioting and looting are just one racial incident away. The white elite would tell us that this doesn't mean the experiment has failed. We just have to try harder. We need more money, more time, more understanding, more programs, and more opportunities.
But nothing changes no matter how much money is spent, no matter how many laws are passed, no matter how many black geniuses are portrayed on TV, and no matter who is president. Some argue its a problem of culture, as if culture creates peoples' behavior instead of the other way around. Others blame white privilege.
But since 1965, when the elites opened Americas doors to the Third World immigrants from Asia and India. People who are not white, not rich, and not connected, have quietly succeeded. While the children of these people are winning spelling bees and getting top scores on the SAT, black youths are committing half the country's violent crime, which includes viciously punching random white people on the street for the thrill of it that has nothing to do with poverty.
The experiment has failed. Not because of white culture, or white privilege, or white racism. The fundamental problem is that American black culture has evolved into an un-fixable and crime ridden mess. They do not want to change their culture or society, and expect others to tolerate their violence and amoral behavior. They have become socially incompatible with other races by their own design, not because of the racism of others - but by their own hatred of non-blacks.
Our leaders don't seem to understand just how tired their white subjects are with this experiment. They don't understand that white people aren't out to get black people; they are just exhausted with them. They are exhausted by the social pathologies, the violence, the endless complaints, and the blind racial solidarity, the bottomless pit of grievances, the excuses, and the reflexive animosity. The elites explain everything with racism, and refuse to believe that white frustration could soon reach the boiling point.
You can't legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government can't give to anybody anything that the government doesn't first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they don't have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
Ian Duncan
The Baltimore Sun,
May 30, 2015
My comments about this message:
1. You could totally miss the point of this piece. If you are a liberal all you could see or feel is the vitriol within yourself when you read it. I think the points that were made were valid and explains a lot about how the blacks have been manipulated by the government visa via the welfare system and our society in general.
2. I've always said that you can't legislate morality, but in examining that premise I was and am wrong. If a black mother has the opportunity to garner additional monies from the federal government by having more babies the moral issue is abandoned for the carrot that the fed's dangle in front of her. The same holds true when it comes to the premise that if I can get money from the government without working for it, then why not. It then begs the question of the system rigging and again manipulating those lives to the point that they become dependent upon that money, which it turn goes on for generations, and the frustration of self worth is perpetuated .
To me that demonstrates the hopelessness that the blacks feel when it comes to them getting out of that situation, which in turn leads to crime, such as dealing drugs and whatever events (such as rioting) that they feel can get them some degree of satisfaction against the system. A perfect example of this can be seen in most major inner cities, especially in a city like Detroit or St Louis.
3. The culture within certain segments of our society, mainly the black community has been disadvantaged significantly by inferior educational opportunity, welfare, poor job opportunity and especially the lack of a father figure to guide and discipline the children within that community. Self respect is a great equalizer when it comes to the develop-ment of a young mind, and his/her integration in a society that is often difficult for a young black person.
4. President Johnson's "The Great Society" was and is a perfect example of how the war on poverty has failed. I guess that is why in the beginning I always felt that by legislative fiat you couldn't legislate morality. Mostly from the stand point that big government has never been able to solve social problems from a distance or with money.
5. There is one point in this piece that I totally disagree with. That is the premise that most in this society are tired of this experiment. What I think that needs to be done is a re-examination of the methods that have been used (the social manipulation) and direct the efforts more on education and in some way a mentoring program that can uplift this segment of our society. What is missing in this, should I dare say great experiment, is the presentation of incentives, other that money, that would give the black person some degree of hope that they might propel themselves to obtain a better life. Internationally we had the Peace Corp. Why couldn't we develop a similar program here in the U.S. that would foster that mentoring program, and put forth those incentives, to help not just blacks, but all minorities?
Sep 5, 2015 23:33:43 #
The real "Black Dilemma" needs to be far more simple...like what boat do they get placed on for their trip back to africa......?
Sep 6, 2015 01:51:09 #
Scoop Henderson
Loc: The Rez, (I am from Egypt)
Hope and change baby. The transformation of America. Hell Yes! Following the queer nation lead of in your face, this Politically Direct topic has legs.
lamont wrote:
The Baltimore Sun is definitely not known as a Con... (show quote)
Sep 6, 2015 05:59:33 #
Its time blacks realuzed they should work like anyone else but no the government gives them housing welfare checks they keeo having children with no guidance.. sometimes you hire blacks and all they do is steal from you. Their are some educated blacks thatwork hard but ost just like to cause trouble.
Sep 6, 2015 07:35:54 #
America Only wrote:
The real "Black Dilemma" needs to be far more simple...like what boat do they get placed on for their trip back to africa......?
Fine comrade! Only if whites leave and Africa's abundant Natural Resources remain. (They will not leave peacefully and must be booted out. Only God can successfully accomplish this and he is working on it.) The rest of the world will finally realize whose really responsible for the world's problems and act accordingly. Time is running out for those of your ilk. :evil: :evil: :twisted:
Sep 6, 2015 07:40:29 #
Scoop Henderson wrote:
Hope and change baby. The transformation of America. Hell Yes! Following the queer nation lead of in your face, this Politically Direct topic has legs.
Your time is up when Jesus returns! Get ready! :lol: :lol:
Sep 6, 2015 07:45:00 #
Gracesandagato wrote:
Its time blacks realuzed they should work like anyone else but no the government gives them housing welfare checks they keeo having children with no guidance.. sometimes you hire blacks and all they do is steal from you. Their are some educated blacks thatwork hard but ost just like to cause trouble.
I see you're working hard to modernize your pit! It's not going to work Satan! :evil: :evil: :twisted:
Sep 6, 2015 07:55:11 #
Cool Breeze wrote:
Fine comrade! Only if whites leave and Africa's abundant Natural Resources remain. (They will not leave peacefully and must be booted out. Only God can successfully accomplish this and he is working on it.) The rest of the world will finally realize whose really responsible for the world's problems and act accordingly. Time is running out for those of your ilk. :evil: :evil: :twisted:
Pity you do not realize when some people work and need to wash, they can wash the dirt off...but you....that black is there and there forever.
And really it just adds to your low life and being a poor excuse for an animal....
The world has taken a good look at socialism and the socialist agenda....the future observations will provide the end of such lunatics and the refusal of allowing socialism to be involved in any political arena.
Spain. Vowed to not allow socialist to be in charge and currently working on a plan to fix what is destroyed by socialism in it's policies.
Australia. Tribunal discussing new legislation to oust all socialist agenda's and governmental control that has been destructive to their economy and the danger of the population not having gun ownership rights.
Greece. Having been raped in the past 12 years two times by having elected socialist that left the entire nation in poverty, are still having civil unrest to make it clear they want all socialist to be removed from their Nation, and willing to hang or execute any that will remain....
Italy...record breaking changes to their desire to rid their nation of all socialistic agenda and government officials....they also have taken to the streets to patrol all the illegals that have flowed into their nation...no more hand outs in Italy...they finally see that to hand out free crap to everyone does not work....
Portugal...following the footsteps of Spain, Italy, France, England, Germany....those LEFTIES and socialism....being weeded out and forced out and not going to allow socialism to rule at all.....
Your type is a fast death....being discovered and labeled as ugly and crappy as it always has been.
Your mind...is as you are....WARM STENCH! STANKY!
Sep 6, 2015 07:59:45 #
Cool Breeze wrote:
I see you're working hard to modernize your pit! It's not going to work Satan! :evil: :evil: :twisted:
GEEZ! Look at all that brown DROOL running down your chin...no matter how many times you brag about meals you say you get from eating out of toilets, I don't think anyone else is going to agree with you about your viewpoints...after all,....you are what you eat...POOP!
Sep 6, 2015 08:12:43 #
Racism is fostered to keep it right where it is and doing what it does, divide..Our government is the greatest foster of such and nothing about it will ever change..
Used to establish the hierarchy of control and suppression of the 'needed slaves" white or black or any other color, period.
Government needs the peoples money and labor but they don't want a thinking, free will society as they could not then control...Simple really~~
Just look at your Sharpons, Jackson, Wrights, and the dead Martin Luther King~~
Used to establish the hierarchy of control and suppression of the 'needed slaves" white or black or any other color, period.
Government needs the peoples money and labor but they don't want a thinking, free will society as they could not then control...Simple really~~
Just look at your Sharpons, Jackson, Wrights, and the dead Martin Luther King~~
Sep 6, 2015 08:18:21 #
Cool Breeze wrote:
Your time is up when Jesus returns! Get ready! :lol: :lol:
Your time has been up. Clearly during the course of your life, you have had to realize being a Black Woman living in a White Man's World, is far from easy for you to exist. You've already admitted you have no formal education...so you could not obtain any skills to have a career working...you are too damned ugly, so you could not even "whore" yourself off....and every chance you have had, you cling to a Hitler type leader whom has you with your fat lips GLUED to their rear end....
Perhaps if you examine what and whom you are, and how you "arrived" at that loser place that you are forced to live in...maybe you will decide to do something productive with the remainder of your life...like...well...stand in front of a fast moving train...????
Sep 6, 2015 08:20:48 #
lindajoy wrote:
Racism is fostered to keep it right where it is an... (show quote)
Thank you! It is really so easy to see it....of course only if one can look without all the "crap" in their way.
Sep 6, 2015 08:36:37 #
America Only wrote:
GEEZ! Look at all that brown DROOL running down your chin...no matter how many times you brag about meals you say you get from eating out of toilets, I don't think anyone else is going to agree with you about your viewpoints...after all,....you are what you eat...POOP!
How does that "man sausage" taste for breakfast this morning? Be sure to brush your teeth. :lol: :lol: :-P
Sep 6, 2015 08:41:02 #
lindajoy wrote:
Racism is fostered to keep it right where it is an... (show quote)
I don't know what you've been reading but that's hilarious!
Sep 6, 2015 08:45:21 #
America Only wrote:
Pity you do not realize when some people work and ... (show quote)
Thanks for proving my points! Your understanding is not required.
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