The Progressive Patriot

Whatever doesn't kill you guys makes you crazier

memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)

Has nothing to do with the conversation (though the question of YOUR sanity is much in doubt...what was that psychological disorder you suffer called again?) And you still haven't answered the question. Probably because you can't without looking like an abject fool.

Yankee Clipper

Sophist: 3rd definition in my dictionary. "a captious or fallacious reasoner"

Captious: 1: calculated to confuse, entrap, or entangle in argument 2: marked by an often ill-natured inclination to stress faults and raise objections

I didn't see the use of "captious" in voice of reason's response. however, I contend that Che Chardo used captious remarks in his self proclaimed rant that started this discussion topic.

Fallacious: 1: embodying a fallacy 2: tending to decieve or mislead: Delusive

I did not see anything fallacious about voice of reason's comment either. Again Che Chardo's discussion topic is full of fallacious statements, half truths and some fact. It is in fact an opinion piece written by Che for Che and anyone else dumb enough to buy a load of Marxist fertilizer.

I did like you choice of "sophist" it is a fine definition of Marxists, Che Chardo, and a possible a self definition because of your misuse of the term fallacious in the definition of sophist.

What do you think?

The Progressive Patriot

{ For the reccord, I'm not a marxist. I just thought I would feed into your worst fears. I'm actually an Obama Progressive. Yes I know, to you guys that pretty much the same thing as a Marxist...I can't help it if you choose to believe that. You should read up on it though. Check out my post on Socialism and Fascism right here.

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The Progressive Patriot

I used numerous and specific example to make my case...tell me if you can which ones are captious or fallacious. Thank you

The Dutchman

I think this would be a more approprate avatar for this FIGIT

The Dutchman

This one might be even better

Yankee Clipper

Che Chardo, far be it for you to seek to impugn any ones intelligence, no not you! Never!

jpshelden used the word "sophist" to criticize Voice of Reason, but I think your entire piece fits the very definition of "sophist".

Che: "However, when I make a point or take a position I make every effort to back it up with objectively researched documentation... Rarely does anyone respond directly to points that I try to make."

Your points are all over the map, not related to each other and with no documentation to back any of them up.

Che: "As always , I welcome comments, rebuttals and death threats. Thank you for being offended".

You did this piece to cause conservative outrage but your writing style leads more to confusion than outrage. I will quote what both Marxists and conservatives on another site say to all contributors, "sources and links please or get off the site".

I'm not a perfect writer either, but I try to keep my paragraphs uniform as to content. I know I can be confusing too at times but not for the purpose of obfuscation. You never meant for anyone to rebut or provide death threats, you meant only to confuse and incite rage from detractors.

Yankee Clipper

I hate to be so naive, but what does FIGIT mean?

The Dutchman

Not an "Oath Keeper" are you?

Yankee Clipper

No, thought about it, but have done nothing.

The Progressive Patriot

[quote=The Dutchman][quote=Yankee Clipper][quote=The Dutchman]

OK folks , here’s the real deal regarding the much maligned Che avatar. It was my way of trying to convey the ridiculousness of your condemnation of all forms of socialism. You repeatedly insist on lumping together the most benign forms that are merely intended to reign in the excesses of capitalism and provide a social safety net and level the playing field, with Marxism and Leninism. You whine about heading down the road to totalitarianism. People here have stated that a free market is totally incongruent with any form of socialism , and refuse to acknowledge that we have had programs and policies in place that are arguably “socialistic “ since the progressive movement which started over 100 years ago, and guess what…we still have capitalism. We have not become more socialistic, but there seems to be more fear and ignorance now than at any time since McCarthy’s reign of terror. Since we havn't turned into N. Korea or the USSR by now, I kind of don't think is going to happen now.

I’m not a fan of Che, I agree with everything that’s been said about him and I’m not a Marxist. I am an Obama Progressive and if you really read my writings you would know that. Now, I know that to many of you an Obama Progressive is in the same category as Che, and that was my point, was to play on your fears and paranoid hysteria about how Obama is leading us on the road to ruin. Now get over it please.

The Dutchman

And this is exactly the point you continue to avoid addressing (See Below) yet totally support. You continually try to blow smoke up our asses trying to convince us your not of this belief when every word out of you mouth says you are!
The obozo is just another link in this plan!
Now instead of blowing yet more smoke our directions how about some facts?
Facts that the obozo by his own admission does have strong ties to devout marxists' often times quoting them. Read his books!!
You keep ranting on about senseless fears and paranoia concerning the obozo's marxist background and upbringing prove they are wrong! Once again I am asking you for facts you never seem to be able to come up with, you just go off on yet another of your lengthily mindless rants. Like all liberals when you can't back up your bull shit you always ignore the question or go off on another rant.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Che Chardo - In a word, bullshit!!!

A much more probable explanation regarding your Che avartar is that you, as a paid blogger for OFA, for once displayed your own initiative and decided it was time to use the Che avartar as a symbol of your and their true intentions. You then bragged about to your handlers at OFA and were directed to take it down because it is still too early to admit that. That will come later after Big Janet has had time to receive and distribute the 1.6 billion hollow-point rounds and urban tanks that are currently on order.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

This is an email that may have been written by Mychal Massie, a respected writer and talk show host in Los Angeles, but cannot be confirmed. At any rate, it pretty well sums up my feelings regarding our Dear Leader.

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The other evening on my twitter, a person asked me why I didn't like the Obama's? Specifically I was asked: "I have to ask, why do you hate the Obama's? It seems personal, not policy related. You even dissed (disrespect) their Christmas family picture."

The truth is I do not like the Obamas, what they represent, their ideology, and I certainly do not like his policies and legislation. I've made no secret of my contempt for the Obamas. As I responded to the person who asked me the aforementioned question, I don't like them because they are committed to the fundamental change of my/our country into what can only be regarded as a Communist state.

I don't hate them per definition, but I condemn them because they are the worst kind of racialists, they are elitist Leninists with contempt for traditional America. They display disrespect for the sanctity of the office he holds, and for those who are willing to admit same, Michelle Obama's raw contempt for white America is transpicuous.

I don't like them because they comport themselves as emperor and empress. I expect, no I demand respect, for the Office of President and a love of our country and her citizenry from the leader entrusted with the governance of same. President and Mrs. Reagan displayed an unparalleled love for the country and her people The Reagan's made Americans feel good about themselves and about what we could accomplish. His arrogance by appointing 32 leftist czars and constantly bypassing congress is impeachable. Eric Holder is probably the MOST incompetent and arrogant DOJ head to ever hold the job. Could you envision President Reagan instructing his Justice Department to act like jack-booted thugs?

Presidents are politicians and all politicians are known and pretty much expected to manipulate the truth, if not outright lie, but even using that low standard, the Obama's have taken lies, dishonesty, deceit, mendacity, subterfuge and obfuscation to new depths. They are verbally abusive to the citizenry, and they display an animus for civility.

I do not like them, because they both display bigotry overtly, as in the case of Harvard Professor Louis Gates, when he accused the Cambridge Police of acting stupidly, and her code speak pursuant to now being able to be proud of America. I view that statement and that mind set as an insult to those who died to provide a country where a Kenyan, his illegal alien relatives, and his alleged progeny, could come and not only live freely, but rise to the highest, most powerful, position in the world. Michelle Obama is free to hate and disparage whites because Americans of every description paid with their blood to ensure her right to do same.

I have a saying, that "the only reason a person hides things, is because they have something to hide." No president in history has spent over a million dollars to keep his records and his past sealed.

And what the two of them have shared has been proved to be lies. He lied about when and how they met, he lied about his mother's death and problems with insurance, Michelle lied to a crowd pursuant to nearly $500,000 bank stocks they inherited from his family. He has lied about his father's military service, about the civil rights movement, ad nausea. He lied to the world about the Supreme Court in a State of the Union address. He berated and publicly insulted a sitting Congressman. He has surrounded himself with the most rabidly, radical, socialist academicians today. He opposed rulings that protected women and children that even Planned Parenthood did not seek to support. He is openly hostile to business and aggressively hostile to Israel. His wife treats being the First Lady as her personal American Express Black Card (arguably the most prestigious credit card in the world). I condemn them because, as people are suffering, losing their homes, their jobs, their retirements, he and his family are arrogantly showing off their life of entitlement - as he goes about creating and fomenting class warfare.

I don't like them, and I neither apologize nor retreat from my public condemnation of them and of his policies. We should condemn them for the disrespect they show our people, for his willful and unconstitutional actions pursuant to obeying the Constitutional parameters he is bound by, and his willful disregard for Congressional authority.

Dislike for them has nothing to do with the color of their skin; it has everything to do with their behavior, attitudes, and policies. And I have open scorn for their constantly playing the race card.

I could go on, but let me conclude with this. I condemn in the strongest possible terms the media for refusing to investigate them, as they did President Bush and President Clinton, and for refusing to label them for what they truly are. There is no scenario known to man, whereby a white president and his wife could ignore laws, flaunt their position, and lord over the people, as these two are permitted out of fear for their color.

As I wrote in a syndicated column titled, "Nero In The White House" - "Never in my life, inside or outside of politics, have I witnessed such dishonesty in a political leader. He is the most mendacious political figure I have ever witnessed. Even by the low standards of his presidential predecessors, his narcissistic, contumacious arrogance is unequalled. Using Obama as the bar, Nero would have to be elevated to sainthood... Many in America wanted to be proud when the first person of color was elected president, but instead, they have been witness to a congenital liar, a woman who has been ashamed of America her entire life, failed policies, intimidation, and a commonality hitherto not witnessed in political leaders. He and his wife view their life at our expense as an entitlement - while America's people go homeless, hungry and unemployed.”

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