Good Guy with a Gun is a Joke
Jun 20, 2015 15:06:06 #
The NRA and the gun lovers try to convince people that some people's champion is going to roar up the the scene Spiderman style and resolve any crime situation with a few shots from the magic criminal buster.
The trouble is little tale is just plain false.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/06/18/3671392/study-people-use-guns-self-defense/
But a timely study from the Violence Policy Center (VPC) concluded that guns are rarely used for defensive purposes. According to the most recent data thats available, there were 8,342 criminal firearm homicides by private citizens (non-law enforcement members) in 2012 as opposed to 259 justifiable homicides. In other words, there were 32 criminal homicides for every killing of a felon who was in the process of committing a crime. And 13 states reported zero justifiable homicides that year.
As noted by VPC, the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) observed a similar trend in previous years. Between 2007 and 2011, 29,618,300 people experienced a violent crime, but only 235,700 0.8 percent of victims used or threatened to use a gun in self-defense. Findings from both the VPC and NCVS supplement studies verifying that more guns lead to more crimes.
Still, gun advocates keep arguing that guns are great for self-defense.
The reality of self-defense gun use bears no resemblance to the exaggerated claims of the gun lobby and gun industry. The number of justifiable homicides that occur in our nation each year pale in comparison to criminal homicides, let alone gun suicides and fatal unintentional shootings, the study reads. The idea that firearms are frequently used in self-defense is the primary argument that the gun lobby and firearms industry use to expand the carrying of firearms into an ever-increasing number of public spaces and even to prevent the regulation of military-style semiautomatic assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.
The trouble is little tale is just plain false.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/06/18/3671392/study-people-use-guns-self-defense/
But a timely study from the Violence Policy Center (VPC) concluded that guns are rarely used for defensive purposes. According to the most recent data thats available, there were 8,342 criminal firearm homicides by private citizens (non-law enforcement members) in 2012 as opposed to 259 justifiable homicides. In other words, there were 32 criminal homicides for every killing of a felon who was in the process of committing a crime. And 13 states reported zero justifiable homicides that year.
As noted by VPC, the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) observed a similar trend in previous years. Between 2007 and 2011, 29,618,300 people experienced a violent crime, but only 235,700 0.8 percent of victims used or threatened to use a gun in self-defense. Findings from both the VPC and NCVS supplement studies verifying that more guns lead to more crimes.
Still, gun advocates keep arguing that guns are great for self-defense.
The reality of self-defense gun use bears no resemblance to the exaggerated claims of the gun lobby and gun industry. The number of justifiable homicides that occur in our nation each year pale in comparison to criminal homicides, let alone gun suicides and fatal unintentional shootings, the study reads. The idea that firearms are frequently used in self-defense is the primary argument that the gun lobby and firearms industry use to expand the carrying of firearms into an ever-increasing number of public spaces and even to prevent the regulation of military-style semiautomatic assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.
Jun 20, 2015 15:14:21 #
Unclet
Loc: Amarillo, Tx
jelun wrote:
The NRA and the gun lovers try to convince people ... (show quote)
Still better than a stick.
Jun 20, 2015 15:18:55 #
Unclet wrote:
Still better than a stick.
You are batting 900 today, hilarious. Good to hear from someone with a sense a humor.
Jun 20, 2015 15:18:57 #
Unclet wrote:
Still better than a stick.
Do you know who keeps data on sticks? Preferably big ones?
I know many convenience stores with baseball bats behind the counter.
That was my son's weapon of choice in the old days.
Jun 20, 2015 15:22:55 #
jelun wrote:
The NRA and the gun lovers try to convince people ... (show quote)
When I was in the Navy, we loaded our sub, on Westpac with harpoon missles armed with nukes.
I asked the weapon's officer why we needed nuclear weapons, his response was: "...because we WILL use them, we wouldn't build them if we weren't going to use them".
It is stunningly shortsighted to not understand that people won't use them.
Protection, really? How often do you need to be protected?
Jun 20, 2015 15:29:49 #
Unclet
Loc: Amarillo, Tx
jelun wrote:
Do you know who keeps data on sticks? Preferably big ones?
I know many convenience stores with baseball bats behind the counter.
That was my son's weapon of choice in the old days.
I know many convenience stores with baseball bats behind the counter.
That was my son's weapon of choice in the old days.
Nothing wrong with using a stick, unless the other guy has a gun and is willing to use it. Most criminals will, and unfortunately most citizens won't. Just a matter of training. My opinion, we can agree, to disagree, your choice. Blessed is the 1st Amendment.
Jun 20, 2015 15:36:25 #
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Jun 20, 2015 15:42:34 #
Dummy Boy wrote:
When I was in the Navy, we loaded our sub, on Westpac with harpoon missles armed with nukes.
I asked the weapon's officer why we needed nuclear weapons, his response was: "...because we WILL use them, we wouldn't build them if we weren't going to use them".
It is stunningly shortsighted to not understand that people won't use them.
Protection, really? How often do you need to be protected?
I asked the weapon's officer why we needed nuclear weapons, his response was: "...because we WILL use them, we wouldn't build them if we weren't going to use them".
It is stunningly shortsighted to not understand that people won't use them.
Protection, really? How often do you need to be protected?
I was happy with the sticks.
Oh well. :roll:
Gun use advocates would say that needing protection once is enough of a reason to have and practice use of a gun.
I say thank goodness so many of them own lots and lots of guns, it means that there are less people who own guns who have no clue how to use one.
Jun 20, 2015 15:46:34 #
Jun 20, 2015 15:49:58 #
Unclet
Loc: Amarillo, Tx
jelun wrote:
I was happy with the sticks.
Oh well. :roll:
Gun use advocates would say that needing protection once is enough of a reason to have and practice use of a gun.
I say thank goodness so many of them own lots and lots of guns, it means that there are less people who own guns who have no clue how to use one.
Oh well. :roll:
Gun use advocates would say that needing protection once is enough of a reason to have and practice use of a gun.
I say thank goodness so many of them own lots and lots of guns, it means that there are less people who own guns who have no clue how to use one.
I think you have it. If you need a gun to protect yourself or your family and don't have one, and know how to properly use it. Percentages are, you will never need anything again, because you probably will be dead.
Jun 20, 2015 15:51:30 #
Dummy Boy wrote:
When I was in the Navy, we loaded our sub, on Westpac with harpoon missles armed with nukes.
I asked the weapon's officer why we needed nuclear weapons, his response was: "...because we WILL use them, we wouldn't build them if we weren't going to use them".
It is stunningly shortsighted to not understand that people won't use them.
Protection, really? How often do you need to be protected?
I asked the weapon's officer why we needed nuclear weapons, his response was: "...because we WILL use them, we wouldn't build them if we weren't going to use them".
It is stunningly shortsighted to not understand that people won't use them.
Protection, really? How often do you need to be protected?
Typical American way of thinking DB.
As long as it doesn't happen to you, but instead to others.
It only needs to happen to you once for you to be no more.
You may want to rethink this thing over.
Jun 20, 2015 15:52:20 #
Unclet wrote:
I think you have it. If you need a gun to protect yourself or your family and don't have one, and know how to properly use it. Percentages are, you will never need anything again, because you probably will be dead.
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Jun 20, 2015 15:56:47 #
Dummy Boy wrote:
When I was in the Navy, we loaded our sub, on Westpac with harpoon missles armed with nukes.
I asked the weapon's officer why we needed nuclear weapons, his response was: "...because we WILL use them, we wouldn't build them if we weren't going to use them".
It is stunningly shortsighted to not understand that people won't use them.
Protection, really? How often do you need to be protected?
I asked the weapon's officer why we needed nuclear weapons, his response was: "...because we WILL use them, we wouldn't build them if we weren't going to use them".
It is stunningly shortsighted to not understand that people won't use them.
Protection, really? How often do you need to be protected?
It isn't how often, but when the need arises. Perhaps only once in a lifetime, but that is the one time that would count. It's the old adage of better to have it than not when it is needed. How often does one need a life-jacket when in a boat? It is there when needed.
Jun 20, 2015 16:04:01 #
jelun wrote:
The NRA and the gun lovers try to convince people ... (show quote)
I think your story of the hero riding up and taking care of the crime situation is a bit exaggerated. I really don't believe that is the hope. I do believe however, that an increase in ownership of and training in the use of guns would make the statistics a lot more impressive. Liberals like to throw out there own made up stories and then try to throw stones at them to make them look foolish. I hope I never have to defend my family with a gun but if I have to, I know that I have been trained in the Military to use firearms and have owned them virtually all of my life. I wouldn't want to be the guy who breaks into my home some night. Somehow, liberals believe that if gun laws are made more restrictive criminals will not have guns to use in the commission of crimes. Nothing could be more stupid.
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