payne1000

Rudy Dent, ex-NYC fire marshall who was at WTC on 9/11 explains why the official version of why the towers fell on 9/11 is totally false.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrpLp-X0ws

gynojunkie

Correct in all of his assertions.

Also, in the entire history of world architecture, no tall building has ever fallen, in its own footprint, at the speed of gravity (free fall, essentially).

But on 9/11 three tall buildings accomplished that IMPOSSIBLE TASK.

payne1000

And in the 100-year history of skyscrapers, no skyscraper had ever fallen for any reason other than controlled demolition.
The 9/11 Commission decided not to investigate for controlled demolition.
Were they afraid of what they would discover--that their bosses had lied to them?

dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)

Payne, Gyno, take 2 aspirin and get some rest. You guys are seriously close to being committable.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Indeed. Just what effect did two airliners have in the destruction of the buildings. Oh, I know, there were no airliners. :lol: :lol: :lol:

gynojunkie

You have no basis upon which to make that statement.

Care to inform us as to why the "9/11 Commission Report" fails to even mention the words "Building Seven"?

As if a THIRD building dropping like a controlled demolition on 9/11 would somehow be beneath scrutiny?

fiatlux

Are you saying as well that no planes struck the World Trade Center and that no burning debris struck building Seven that may have caused a unique condition that could account for the way it collapsed?

gynojunkie

That's a fairly absurd comment. The WTC towers were actually billed as "airplane-proof," -- built, as you must know, surrounded by three major super active airports (JFK, LGA, EWR).

The aircraft that hit the towers could not have caused the destruction later seen. Jet fuel--even in the presence of the combustibles present in the towers--does not burn hot enough to melt steel.

And molten steel was present at the site for WEEKS after the collapses. WEEKS. That is how hot the girders were. That is part of the reason that the salvagers had trouble with the site--molten slag everywhere.

And, as only the floors hit by the jets were bathed in flames, what do you think could have been the source of the intense heat necessary to melt structural steel beams throughout the 110 stories? Hmm?

[Recall that steel melts at 2,750º and jet fuel at between 800º-1,500º F]. 

ANSWER: "NanoThermite"      

fiatlux

An addendum: Structure Magazine explains one probable cause of the WTC 7 collapse. "Single Point of Failure: How the Loss of One Column May Have Led to the Collapse of WTC 7"

http://www.structuremag.org/Archives/2007-11/SF-WTC7-Gilsanz-Nov07.pdf

Conspiracy theorists say World Trade Center 7 is the best proof for controlled demolition because it wasn't hit by airliners and only had a few fires. They also claim that there was a confession from the building owner who said he "pulled" it. But this is deceptive because while building 7 wasn't hit by an airliner, it was hit by the large perimeter columns of the Tower collapse. It was 400 ft away but the towers were more than 1300 ft tall. As the tower peeled open, it easily tilted over to reach building 7. Below is evidence showing that conspiracy theorists are wrong.

As you can see from the graphic below, all the buildings just as far away from both towers as WTC7 were hit. The others were either very short buildings which didn't have to support a massive load above or had no fire. Only Building 7 had unfought fires and the massive load of 40 stories above them.

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

gynojunkie

What is Building 7?
Building 7 was a 47-story skyscraper and was part of the World Trade Center complex. Built in 1984, it would have been the tallest high-rise in 33 states in the United States. It collapsed at 5:20 pm on September 11, 2001. It was not hit by an airplane and suffered minimal damage compared to other buildings much closer to the Twin Towers.

7 FACTS ABOUT BUILDING 7

1) If fire caused Building 7 to collapse, it would be the first ever fire-induced collapse of a steel-frame high-rise.

2) Building 7’s collapse was not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report.

3) According to a Zogby poll in 2006, 43% of Americans did not know about Building 7.

4) It took the federal government seven years to conduct an investigation and issue a report for Building 7.

5) 1,700+ architects and engineers have signed a petition calling for a new investigation into the destruction of Building 7, specifying that it should include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives.

6) Numerous witnesses say the possibility of demolishing Building 7 was widely discussed by emergency personnel at the scene and advocated by the building’s owner.

7) Building 7 housed several intelligence and law enforcement agencies, and the NYC Office of Emergency Management’s Emergency Operations Center, more commonly known as “Giuliani’s Bunker”.

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Building 7 also contained the Fed's records on Enron.

How serendipitously convenient!

fiatlux

Where did you get the information that the all the steel in the structure melted?

Here is another explanation:
"Fact: Each plane was carrying thousands of pounds of jet fuel, which burns at 2,190 degrees Fahrenheit, a great deal lower than the temperature required to melt steel (2,750).

"Experts and investigations conclude that steel didn’t have to melt to cause collapse. Instead, the planes entering the buildings at 750 feet per second caused significant damage. They were banked at an angle that took out multiple floors upon impact and likely stripped the fireproofing from the core load-bearing structures on those floors. Jet fuel then ignited everything inside the buildings.

"Steel weakens at as low as 400 degrees. At 980, it’s at only 10 percent strength, according to industry experts. As the core steel columns weakened, load-bearing was transferred to the building’s shell. As the fires continued to burn, multiple floors weakened, sagged, and pulled on the outside structure causing total collapse.

"The jet fuel followed the path of least resistance, incidentally, which means some of it flowed down the elevator shafts from the top of the building, causing explosions and fireballs on lower floors, which conspiracy theorists sometimes cite as evidence of bombs.

"Myth No. 3: World Trade Center 7 could not possibly have collapsed due only to collateral damage sustained from the Towers’ collapse. That was controlled demolition, too.

"Fact: An early FEMA report puzzled over the collapse of WTC 7 because it appeared to have sustained little structural damage and been brought down by fire alone. Truthers latch onto the early FEMA report as proof, but further investigation has found that one face of the building had damage to 10 lower stories. That damage was obscured by smoke in most photographic evidence.

"There are also a number of idiosyncrasies in the building’s design that contributed. It was built over a power substation, which meant the relatively few columns on the lower floors were designed to carry extremely large loads. Taking out just one would have caused serious problems. WTC 7 was designed to stay operational during power outages, so several fuel tanks for generators inside the building are thought to have supplied the fires with fuel for up to seven hours."

If it is a conspiracy, what was the motive and were those ends accomplished and who did it?

fiatlux

What is the source for all these "facts" you are presenting?

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Don'cha know, the Jews were behind 9-11 in conjunction with the U.S. Government. The Muslims were just innocent scapegoats. :lol: :lol: :lol: Now, doesn't that tickle your funny bone?

JMHO Loc: Utah

Please cite for me any test results from downing any buildings constructed similar to the twin towers. Please cite me the test results from flying planes (full of fuel) into skyscraper(s), similar to the twin towers. Please cite the test results from a controlled demolition of skyscrapers constructed the same as the twin towers. I'm waiting.

JMHO Loc: Utah

Yeah, this guy is Mr. looney tunes.