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Aug 11, 2013 16:40:16   #
bahmer
 
June 6, 2013, the 69th anniversary of "D-Day", the largest invasion ever attempted, where 200,000 Americans stormed the beaches at Normandy to begin the final push to defeat Nazi Germany in WWII. D-Day marked the turning point in WWII in Europe, where the Nazis were engaged in mass murder of Jews and minorities by the thousands.
Today, European heads of state make it a point to recall and honor the sacrifices of those who landed in Normandy, as do our Presidents....
well, most of them....

In the 69 years since D-Day, there are four occasions when the President of the United States chose not to visit the D-Day Monument that honors the soldiers killed during the Invasion.

The occasions were:

1. Barack Obama, 2010

2. Barack Obama, 2011

3. Barack Obama, 2012

4. Barack Obama, 2013


For the past 69 years, every American President except Obama have taken the time to honor the memory and sacrifices of the 6,000 American soldiers killed on D-Day. ...Except Obama!

June 6 2010, Obama had no events scheduled.

June 6, 2011, Obama met with the National Security team and was interviewed by WEWS Cleveland and WDIV in Detroit about the auto industry - FAR too busy to visit the D-Day memorial.

June 6, 2012, instead of honoring our fallen soldiers, Obama made a campaign trip to California on Air Force 1 (at our expense) to raise funds for (his) upcoming election.

June 6, 2013, Obama was doing ANOTHER fund raiser with the multimillionaires in the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in Palo Alto CA, once again at our expense.

America - Aren't you proud?

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Aug 11, 2013 19:29:32   #
justkillingtime
 
As reported on Wikipedia the Official British History for D-Day estimates that only 156,115 men total landed on D-Day. So your 200,000 Americans is obviously bogus. According to the British figures there were 57,500 Americans and 75,215 British and Canadians who landed on the beaches while 15,500 Americans and 7,900 British from landed from the air.

The largest invasion in history was Germany’s 1940 attack on the Soviet Union when nearly 4,000,000 Hun attacked along an 1800 mile front. D-Day was only the largest amphibious invasion in history.

And what about June 6, 2009?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-d-day-65th-anniversary-ceremony

Obama was in Normandy for the 65th anniversary of D-Day.

And I only recall Ronald Reagan going to Normandy once, 1984. And don’t forget the fool’s wreath laying at Bitburg.

I really hate it when fools like you go online and run your mouths. The uneducated erroneously believe you are a conservative and this makes us real conservatives look bad.

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Aug 12, 2013 10:22:42   #
viet vet
 
justkillingtime wrote:
As reported on Wikipedia the Official British History for D-Day estimates that only 156,115 men total landed on D-Day. So your 200,000 Americans is obviously bogus. According to the British figures there were 57,500 Americans and 75,215 British and Canadians who landed on the beaches while 15,500 Americans and 7,900 British from landed from the air.

The largest invasion in history was Germany’s 1940 attack on the Soviet Union when nearly 4,000,000 Hun attacked along an 1800 mile front. D-Day was only the largest amphibious invasion in history.




And what about June 6, 2009?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-d-day-65th-anniversary-ceremony

Obama was in Normandy for the 65th anniversary of D-Day.

And I only recall Ronald Reagan going to Normandy once, 1984. And don’t forget the fool’s wreath laying at Bitburg.

I really hate it when fools like you go online and run your mouths. The uneducated erroneously believe you are a conservative and this makes us real conservatives look bad.
As reported on Wikipedia the Official British Hist... (show quote)


And another thing JKT if the Russian army didn't tear the guts out of the German Army Normandy would in all likelihood been delayed a very long time or it would not have happened at all,and also remember the a-bomb was really intended for Germany

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Aug 12, 2013 12:31:31   #
justkillingtime
 
viet vet wrote:
And another thing JKT if the Russian army didn't tear the guts out of the German Army Normandy would in all likelihood been delayed a very long time or it would not have happened at all,and also remember the a-bomb was really intended for Germany


True. Earlier this year I read Eleven Days In December which I didn’t enjoy due to the rambling style of the author. But he did point out that during the Battle of the Bulge FDR asked the head of the Manhattan Project if an a-bomb could be rushed into production so it could be used to drive the Germans out of the bulge. They told FDR that the bomb was ready, but they still needed to work on and test the trigger mechanism. They worried that if the trigger didn’t work the Germans would have ended up with an otherwise working atomic bomb. The Bulge is the largest battle ever fought by the U.S. Army and at around 100,000 dead, wounded, captured and missing it is also the Army’s costliest victory. Eisenhower lost more men in the Bulge than MacArthur did in the whole of World War II. Compared to the Bulge Normandy was a cakewalk. But people remember and celebrate D-Day. Most people likely have never heard of the Bulge (and few have likely heard of Stalingrad or Kursk).

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Aug 12, 2013 14:36:21   #
Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts
 
justkillingtime wrote:
As reported on Wikipedia the Official British History for D-Day estimates that only 156,115 men total landed on D-Day. So your 200,000 Americans is obviously bogus. According to the British figures there were 57,500 Americans and 75,215 British and Canadians who landed on the beaches while 15,500 Americans and 7,900 British from landed from the air.

The largest invasion in history was Germany’s 1940 attack on the Soviet Union when nearly 4,000,000 Hun attacked along an 1800 mile front. D-Day was only the largest amphibious invasion in history.

And what about June 6, 2009?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-d-day-65th-anniversary-ceremony

Obama was in Normandy for the 65th anniversary of D-Day.

And I only recall Ronald Reagan going to Normandy once, 1984. And don’t forget the fool’s wreath laying at Bitburg.

I really hate it when fools like you go online and run your mouths. The uneducated erroneously believe you are a conservative and this makes us real conservatives look bad.
As reported on Wikipedia the Official British Hist... (show quote)




Apologize to AuntiE, NOW!!!!

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Aug 12, 2013 14:37:02   #
Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts
 
justkillingtime wrote:
True. Earlier this year I read Eleven Days In December which I didn’t enjoy due to the rambling style of the author. But he did point out that during the Battle of the Bulge FDR asked the head of the Manhattan Project if an a-bomb could be rushed into production so it could be used to drive the Germans out of the bulge. They told FDR that the bomb was ready, but they still needed to work on and test the trigger mechanism. They worried that if the trigger didn’t work the Germans would have ended up with an otherwise working atomic bomb. The Bulge is the largest battle ever fought by the U.S. Army and at around 100,000 dead, wounded, captured and missing it is also the Army’s costliest victory. Eisenhower lost more men in the Bulge than MacArthur did in the whole of World War II. Compared to the Bulge Normandy was a cakewalk. But people remember and celebrate D-Day. Most people likely have never heard of the Bulge (and few have likely heard of Stalingrad or Kursk).
True. Earlier this year I read Eleven Days In Dec... (show quote)




Apologize to Auntie, NOW!!!!

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Aug 12, 2013 16:44:45   #
viet vet
 
justkillingtime wrote:
True. Earlier this year I read Eleven Days In December which I didn’t enjoy due to the rambling style of the author. But he did point out that during the Battle of the Bulge FDR asked the head of the Manhattan Project if an a-bomb could be rushed into production so it could be used to drive the Germans out of the bulge. They told FDR that the bomb was ready, but they still needed to work on and test the trigger mechanism. They worried that if the trigger didn’t work the Germans would have ended up with an otherwise working atomic bomb. The Bulge is the largest battle ever fought by the U.S. Army and at around 100,000 dead, wounded, captured and missing it is also the Army’s costliest victory. Eisenhower lost more men in the Bulge than MacArthur did in the whole of World War II. Compared to the Bulge Normandy was a cakewalk. But people remember and celebrate D-Day. Most people likely have never heard of the Bulge (and few have likely heard of Stalingrad or Kursk).
True. Earlier this year I read Eleven Days In Dec... (show quote)


Kursk was the real turning point because the Soviets never lost the initiative after that

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Aug 12, 2013 16:54:32   #
justkillingtime
 
viet vet wrote:
Kursk was the real turning point because the Soviets never lost the initiative after that


True again, but Anglo-American propaganda kept most in the West in the dark about it.

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Aug 12, 2013 19:27:31   #
Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts
 
justkillingtime wrote:
True again, but Anglo-American propaganda kept most in the West in the dark about it.




Apologize to AuntiE, NOW!!!!!

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Aug 13, 2013 12:41:54   #
viet vet
 
justkillingtime wrote:
As reported on Wikipedia the Official British History for D-Day estimates that only 156,115 men total landed on D-Day. So your 200,000 Americans is obviously bogus. According to the British figures there were 57,500 Americans and 75,215 British and Canadians who landed on the beaches while 15,500 Americans and 7,900 British from landed from the air.

The largest invasion in history was Germany’s 1940 attack on the Soviet Union when nearly 4,000,000 Hun attacked along an 1800 mile front. D-Day was only the largest amphibious invasion in history.


And what about June 6, 2009?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-d-day-65th-anniversary-ceremony

Obama was in Normandy for the 65th anniversary of D-Day.

And I only recall Ronald Reagan going to Normandy once, 1984. And don’t forget the fool’s wreath laying at Bitburg.

I really hate it when fools like you go online and run your mouths. The uneducated erroneously believe you are a conservative and this makes us real conservatives look bad.
As reported on Wikipedia the Official British Hist... (show quote)


JTK ,This is off subject but you said you lived in Florida and I would like yo to do something for me , could you put out a couple glass containers to collect rain water and see if there is any residue in the water after the storm and let me know if there is and we can go from there

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Aug 13, 2013 12:49:10   #
justkillingtime
 
viet vet wrote:
JTK ,This is off subject but you said you lived in Florida and I would like yo to do something for me , could you put out a couple glass containers to collect rain water and see if there is any residue in the water after the storm and let me know if there is and we can go from there


I’m a native and lifelong resident. Between air pollution and plant pollen there is always something in our rain water other than water. I’ll put some mason jars in my backyard. It is supposed to rain off and on all week, but our weathermen are seldom ever accurate anymore and I just put corn seed in the ground, so I won’t hold my breath about the rain.

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Aug 13, 2013 12:52:56   #
viet vet
 
justkillingtime wrote:
I’m a native and lifelong resident. Between air pollution and plant pollen there is always something in our rain water other than water. I’ll put some mason jars in my backyard. It is supposed to rain off and on all week, but our weathermen are seldom ever accurate anymore and I just put corn seed in the ground, so I won’t hold my breath about the rain.

thanks ,I think I may have stumbled across something but do not have definitive evidence and have to do more research but if what I suspect is true, I want to find out how wide spread it is and find the source, then crap will hit the fan

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Aug 13, 2013 13:17:14   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
justkillingtime wrote:
True. Earlier this year I read Eleven Days In December which I didn’t enjoy due to the rambling style of the author. But he did point out that during the Battle of the Bulge FDR asked the head of the Manhattan Project if an a-bomb could be rushed into production so it could be used to drive the Germans out of the bulge. They told FDR that the bomb was ready, but they still needed to work on and test the trigger mechanism. They worried that if the trigger didn’t work the Germans would have ended up with an otherwise working atomic bomb. The Bulge is the largest battle ever fought by the U.S. Army and at around 100,000 dead, wounded, captured and missing it is also the Army’s costliest victory. Eisenhower lost more men in the Bulge than MacArthur did in the whole of World War II. Compared to the Bulge Normandy was a cakewalk. But people remember and celebrate D-Day. Most people likely have never heard of the Bulge (and few have likely heard of Stalingrad or Kursk).
True. Earlier this year I read Eleven Days In Dec... (show quote)


Were you in on the Battle of the Bulge or at Stalingrad? I didn't think so but you talk like you were. I spent some time talking to a man who was in the whole Battle of the Bulge and who died just recently, and probably know a lot more about it from the soldier's view than you do from reading reports of it. This man talked about the thing more freely than another one who was there for the whole thing who I knew.

Does it make any sense to you that the Battle of the Bulge may not have stopped even if Berlin was destroyed by the atomic bomb or do you think that FDR wanted to drop it on German forces around the Bulge. You do know what was left of Berlin after the Russians got into the city, I hope.

You guys certainly are having some fun and the arithmetic used by your buddy was weak. The numbers he dug up total much nearer 200,000 than his 100,000 but then adding may not be a strong thing with him.

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Aug 13, 2013 13:24:47   #
viet vet
 
oldroy wrote:
Were you in on the Battle of the Bulge or at Stalingrad? I didn't think so but you talk like you were. I spent some time talking to a man who was in the whole Battle of the Bulge and who died just recently, and probably know a lot more about it from the soldier's view than you do from reading reports of it. This man talked about the thing more freely than another one who was there for the whole thing who I knew.

Does it make any sense to you that the Battle of the Bulge may not have stopped even if Berlin was destroyed by the atomic bomb or do you think that FDR wanted to drop it on German forces around the Bulge. You do know what was left of Berlin
after the Russians got into the city, I hope.

You guys certainly are having some fun and the arithmetic used by your buddy was weak. The numbers he dug up total much nearer 200,000 than his 100,000 but then adding may not be a strong thing with him.
Were you in on the Battle of the Bulge or at Stali... (show quote)


No I was not at Stalingrad nor was I in ww-2 (born in 1946) but I am an avid fan of history and I read both German and Russian and have read many accounts of the war from many different aspects so I am probably more informed on the subject than most

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Aug 13, 2013 13:25:38   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
justkillingtime wrote:
As reported on Wikipedia the Official British History for D-Day estimates that only 156,115 men total landed on D-Day. So your 200,000 Americans is obviously bogus. According to the British figures there were 57,500 Americans and 75,215 British and Canadians who landed on the beaches while 15,500 Americans and 7,900 British from landed from the air.

The largest invasion in history was Germany’s 1940 attack on the Soviet Union when nearly 4,000,000 Hun attacked along an 1800 mile front. D-Day was only the largest amphibious invasion in history.

And what about June 6, 2009?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-d-day-65th-anniversary-ceremony

Obama was in Normandy for the 65th anniversary of D-Day.

And I only recall Ronald Reagan going to Normandy once, 1984. And don’t forget the fool’s wreath laying at Bitburg.

I really hate it when fools like you go online and run your mouths. The uneducated erroneously believe you are a conservative and this makes us real conservatives look bad.
As reported on Wikipedia the Official British Hist... (show quote)


Is there a chance that you read Obama's speech from his one visitation at the ceremonies? I say that you didn't but surely thank you for putting it there for us since I surely didn't listen to it when he delivered it. It seems that he said too much about what you try to deride, though, so maybe you should read what his writers wrote for him.

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