payne1000

rkevin Loc: florida

Just as all the plans, over the past 6+ years, for military action and non-action are always conveniently broadcasted to the enemy, the American patriots who were formerly assigned to "covert" actions [for their safety] have also been put on the front page of disaster. "WE" might also put a little focus on the fact that TRILLION$, with a "T," Trillion$ of dollar$ of the latest and greatest American equipment, arms, ammunitions and explosives are now being directly transferred to ISIS. Right in front of our eyes in Iraq.

No more of that "Benghazi," under-the-table transfers of fine weapons to Al Qaeda and the Taliban that took valuable time and could possibly be interrupted by an American Ambassador or a SEAL Team unit that would have to be killed, and discovery would have to be denied, fabricated or "stonewalled," possibly for years. Just turn the damn weapons over to any Muslim forces in Iraq who then, without outrage or investigations, turn the weapons over to the more radical Muslim forces [ISIS/ISIL] right there in Iraq, where it's all being used. No more excuses. No more need to "stonewall." No "stand-down" orders that would have to be explained, stonewalled or concealed!!! Brilliant. And who said "Barry," [or whatever (his) name really is] was a stupid POTUS??? Hummmmmmm. But "brilliant" for WHO??? WAKE-UP AMERICA!!!

JMHO Loc: Utah

Conspiracy Theory Alert!!!!

Ever since that crash it has prompted suspicion amongst conspiracy theorists. There are two main schools of thought that conspiracy theorists take. There are those who take the view that the raid on the Bin Laden compound never took part or that the raid did take part however the target was not Bin Laden and that this helicopter crash was staged to cover up their death. Then there is a second conspiracy theory promoted by Alex Jones, based on a dubious source that goes by the sexy pseudonym “Colonel Sixx” who claims that the crash was actually used as a cover up for Seals killed during Operation Neptune Spear when a stealth Blackhawk “blew up” to quote them.

Both of these conspiracies might seem plausible at first, especially if one has a limited knowledge of Seal Team Six. However both of these conspiracy theories can be quite easily debunked as both make the presumption that the Seals who were killed on the helicopter where the same ones who took part in the Bin Laden raid (assassination), this presumption is wrong.

The first mistake that people make when they entertain these conspiracies is that they ignorantly believe that Seal Team Six is like a soccer team. They assume that Seal Team Six, is made up X number of men and all other Seal Teams are made up the same number of men, they think that the 24 members of Seal Team Six is Seal Team Six.

This is utterly rubbish, Seal Team Six is not actually even a Seal team its real name is the United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group or DEVGRU if you’re feeling lazy. It is essentially a separate unit form the US Navy SEALS, DEVGRU is considered a “tier one” Special Forces asset, the US Navy Seals are “Tier two”. Yes DEVGRU does recruit directly from the Navy Seals but you would be highly mistaken to assume that SEAL Team three for example has the same role and capabilities as Seal Team Six, DEVGRU. Furthermore DEVGRU is not a small team, it’s really quite large, how large exactly is classified but rumours I have read put it at between 300-500. It is structured into squadrons or teams, they are Red, Blue, Gold and Silver in addition to this there is also a Black Squadron for reconnaissance.

Now that very quick and dirty description of a very complex Special Forces unit might not be very in depth but it’s enough for us to start to debunk these conspiracies that the helicopter crash was staged in some way to cover up some part of the Bin Laden raid as it’s important to know who took part in what.

So to get to the point, during operation Neptune Spear the members of DEVGRU who took part where all handpicked form Red Squadron. There is one possible exception, in the book “no easy day” by Mark Owen he does describe how one member not form Red Squadron was picked because of his linguistic abilities however what squadron he was from is not made clear. In anycase according to the Navy Times.

With that in mind then one would expect the people who were killed on the helicopter crash came from the same Squadron, after all If they say came from Gold Squadron then it wouldn’t make for a very good cover up. Well actually that’s what happened all the guys on that Chinook came from Gold Squadron, again form the Navy Times.

To make this clear for you all, just encase you don't get the punch line

Red Squadron= Operation Neptune Spear May 1 2011

Gold Squadron = Chinook helicopter crash August 6 2011 (15 DEVGRU dead)

So different Squadrons different guys none of the men that took part in the raid to kill Bin Laden were on that helicopter. In other words the government didn’t kill those men on the helicopter to cover up anything relating to operation Neptune Spear because the guys on that helicopter had nothing to do with the raid that killed Bin Laden.

If this isn’t enough for you then I would also like to point out that there is no literature that supports the idea that any of the men on that helicopter took part in the Bin Laden raid and they all headed back to the states shortly afterword’s so where not even in Afghanistan when the operation took part also although 22 members of NSW where on that helicopter only 15 were members of DEVGRU so why did they not kill the other 9 members who took part in the Bin Laden raid, not to mention the pilots of the helicopters, the CIA operatives and the support staff.

And finally ask yourself this, why would “they” wait 3 months to kill the guys and how did” they” prevent the rest of DEVGRU from speaking out and exposing this whole conspiracy?

payne1000

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I think you are being extremely naive if you think Obama is calling the shots on any of the operations you mention. Have you ever heard of the term "Deep State"?

“the wider interface in America between the public, the constitutionally established state, and the deep forces behind it of wealth, power, and violence outside the government.” He adds, “You might call it the back door of the public state, giving access to dark forces outside the law.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/americas-deep-state-unaccountable-shadow-government/5421500

payne1000

Did it occur to you that Seal Team 6 is a close knit outfit? That even if those killed in the helicopter crash were not in on the Bin Laden assassination hoax, they would find out the truth from the members who were involved?
How do they prevent the other members from speaking out? Well, those other members saw what could happen to them if they even hinted about being a whistleblower.

JMHO Loc: Utah

Still pumping out the conspiracy crap...yawn...ho hum...no proof, just accusations and B.S....you're pathetic.

payne1000

Still active as the most obnoxious cover-up troll on OPP, eh, Jimmyho?

Michael Savage is a right-wing Zionist. Most times you defend those views.
Why not this time?

JMHO Loc: Utah

"The most obnoxious cover-up troll on OPP?" Nope, just exposing you extreme right conspiracy theorist wackos and nutbags. I'm right wing, but not off the charts like you, pal. And, I use some common sense when reading crap like what you posted...try it sometimes.

payne1000

Journalist Seymour Hersh says Obama lied about what happened at Abbottabad.
“High-level lying nonetheless remains the modus operandi of U.S. policy, along with secret prisons, drone attacks, Special Forces night raids, bypassing the chain of command, and cutting out those who might say no,” Hersh wrote of the Obama administration’s counterterrorism policies."
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/241573-report-obama-lied-about-bin-laden-raid

JMHO Loc: Utah

So? I posted this same article several days ago myself. But, it has nothing to do with killing off Seal team Six.

payne1000

Of course it does.

If Seal Team 6 members were hinting they might blow the whistle on the Abbottabad lies which were much more serious than what Hersh exposed, those who ran the hoax would be forced to deal with them. Silencing them for good is usually the preferred method of the "Deep State."

JMHO Loc: Utah

Prove it conspiracy theorist! The dirty little truth is you can't...all you can do is manufacture conspiracy crap. Your whole premise is absolutely stupid.

payne1000

BBC sent a reporter to interview the locals in Abbottabad.

Out of 50 people interviewed, only 1 thought the old man was Bin Laden.
One of those interviewed said he knew the victim and it definitely wasn't Bin Laden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkqTH91PxJM

The old man in the video shown doesn't look like Bin Laden and he's holding the video remote in his right hand. Bin Laden was left handed.

This reminds me of an early CIA produced video with an actor playing Bin Laden confessing to being behind 9/11. The actor was writing right handed and wore a gold ring which Muslims never do.

The perps don't have to be careful in their details because they know the traitors in the media will cover for them.

JMHO Loc: Utah

Blah...blah...blah...yawn...ho hum...more conspiracy crap...no proof...just B.S....yawn...ho hum...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

payne1000

The evidence is impossible to refute, so you attempt to slip away unnoticed by pretending boredom. The small brain just shut down on you, didn't it?