I think Abram starts at chapter 12 of Genesis and goes quit a ways,.. About the wild child is in ch.16:11,12. The twins are at 25:24 And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb. 25. And the first came out red, all over like a hairy garment; and they called his name Esau. 26. And after that cam his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore (60) years old when she bare them. Please read Hosea 12:3 . then back to Genesis 25:22,23 . read slow and see the lord said two NATIONS of people.. read the rest of this chapter and u will see where Esau sold , as well as despised his birth right (Hebrews 12:16). Esau was the arab and Jacob was the Jew or Israeli. I think. This struggle, which began in the womb, lasted thru out the lives of Jacob and Esau.. As u and i were speaking earlier, This struggle is still going on today between the Arabs and Israel.. If u read all of it, with references too, U will see where God said Esau left home went into another land and started his own generation of people and they wud be wild people. and their generation wud hate the other people. Im sorry, i dont have a concordance, if i spelled that right. if i had one , i wud look all of it up for u. If u been to all these places, and ur a Jew with a Jew heart, im sure ur heart will automatically kno these things. Think and read about them.. If i were a Jew, i wud surely wanna kno about them. WOW, i just thought, ur kin to muslims,. lmao,. ha ha , ps. Abram was later named Abraham , By God