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GOP increases deficit two hundred sixty nine billion dollars
May 1, 2015 21:05:39   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
The House Republicans repealed the estate tax today which benefited the top two percent of the wealthiest people in the country. This two hundred and sixty-nine billion dollars will be added to the deficit. I am curious how the conservatives that post on OPP can justify this when the Republicans claim that we can't afford to fix our infrastructure.

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May 1, 2015 21:14:16   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
The House Republicans repealed the estate tax today which benefited the top two percent of the wealthiest people in the country. This two hundred and sixty-nine billion dollars will be added to the deficit. I am curious how the conservatives that post on OPP can justify this when the Republicans claim that we can't afford to fix our infrastructure.


How convenient that you left out this one little tidbit of information…

It is not known if the Act will be taken up by the Senate anytime in the near future...meaning it's not law. However, it would be vetoed by President Barack Obama if it ever reaches his desk, as he has already recently proposed to go in the opposite direction and increase the tax's incidence.

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May 1, 2015 21:14:28   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Quite a stretch there. You don't figure in Estate Taxes when figuring the budget. At least I wouldn't. Here's a novel idea for you throw someone else's money at everything liberals. How about cutting waste, fraud and duplicate programs from the Federal budget. We have more tax revenue coming in than ever before. Spending someone else's money is not always the answer. Here's how I defend this. It is the family's money, not yours. If you want to stimulate the economy let people keep more of their money and give them policies that entice them to spend it. The difference between you and I on this argument is you think the Bureaucrats in Washington can spend your, mine, dead peoples money more efficiently than the person or persons entitled to it.
saltwind 78 wrote:
The House Republicans repealed the estate tax today which benefited the top two percent of the wealthiest people in the country. This two hundred and sixty-nine billion dollars will be added to the deficit. I am curious how the conservatives that post on OPP can justify this when the Republicans claim that we can't afford to fix our infrastructure.

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May 1, 2015 23:20:35   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
The House Republicans repealed the estate tax today which benefited the top two percent of the wealthiest people in the country. This two hundred and sixty-nine billion dollars will be added to the deficit. I am curious how the conservatives that post on OPP can justify this when the Republicans claim that we can't afford to fix our infrastructure.


Oh, didn't you know? The very wealthy are going to feel sorry for their country - and pay for it themselves. That's when they get back from France, or wherever they're having breakfast today.

The GOP insists, that all the money we save the wealthy, by not asking for it, they'll voluntarily return to the economy - by starting new businesses, thus hiring more folks and buying more cars, planes, boats and such. I guess if they buy 10,000 cars, boats and planes each - it just might work.

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May 1, 2015 23:36:38   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
1st- Most people don’t leave a taxable estate when they die. Only about 5,400 estates – two for every 1,000 deaths – will owe any federal estate tax this year. That’s because most Americans’ life savings fall far short of the amount exempted from estate taxation. That exemption is more than $5 million for an individual and effectively twice that for a married couple. (When one spouse dies, the surviving spouse can receive the couple’s assets tax free along with the decedent’s exemption.)

2nd-The $5 million exemption (plus deductions for charitable contributions and money owed on mortgages and other debt) means that the effective tax rate on the gross value of estates is well below the top statutory tax rate of 40 percent (see chart). Consider a widow with a gross estate of “only” a little over $11 million and an exemption of roughly $10 million. With no other deductions, her estate would owe about $400,000 in tax (40 percent of the non-exempt value), or an effective tax rate of under 4 percent on the $11 million.

3rd-Notwithstanding all the recent hoopla among House Ways and Means Committee Republicans over the estate tax’s burden on small businesses and family farms, only about 20 U.S. small businesses and farms a year owe any federal estate tax at all, according to Tax Policy Center figures.

Repeal advocates say that families are liquidating treasured family businesses and farms right and left to pay the estate tax. That’s a well-documented myth and a red herring. If nothing else, the estate tax contains special provisions, including the option to spread payments over 15 years at low interest rates, for the rare family business or farm lacking the available resources to pay the full tax up front.

Repealers also argue, per the Ways and Means Committee’s blog, that the estate tax doesn’t raise enough money to be “worth the pain and heartache it causes.” In fact, repealers greatly overstate the pain and heartache and understate the revenue loss. Repeal would boost budget deficits over the next 10 years by almost $320 billion (including both revenue losses and interest costs on the debt).

The truth is that repealing the estate tax would mainly benefit the MOST WEALTHIEST among us. In 2016, the wealthiest 1,300 or so estates – those worth $20 million or more – would receive 73 percent of the benefit, with each receiving a tax windfall averaging roughly $10 million, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation’s analysis of the repeal proposal that the Ways and Means Committee approved this week.

A key argument for an estate tax is to back-up the income tax. Without it, much of the money that one generation passes on to the next would never be taxed. That’s because increases in the value of assets like real estate and stocks aren’t subject to income tax until the holder sells the assets. Under current law, any tax liablity for such unrealized capital gains effectively disappears when the assets are transferred through inheritance. Unrealized, untaxed capital gains are a large share of the BIGGEST estates.

Repealers disingenuously call the estate tax a “death tax that hurts small businesses and family farms most of all." BULL CRAP!! In fact, the repealers would boost budget deficits to help the WEALTHIEST among us while, at the same time, they’re adopting a budget that gets most of its budget savings from cutting programs that help the least well-off.

This isn’t about struggling small businesses and family farms. It’s about another huge tax cut for those who need it the least.

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May 2, 2015 09:04:00   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
This is all about giving a huge tax break to the megawealthy and sticking the rest of us with the bill! The Koch Brothers strike again.
alabuck wrote:
1st- Most people don’t leave a taxable estate when they die. Only about 5,400 estates – two for every 1,000 deaths – will owe any federal estate tax this year. That’s because most Americans’ life savings fall far short of the amount exempted from estate taxation. That exemption is more than $5 million for an individual and effectively twice that for a married couple. (When one spouse dies, the surviving spouse can receive the couple’s assets tax free along with the decedent’s exemption.)

2nd-The $5 million exemption (plus deductions for charitable contributions and money owed on mortgages and other debt) means that the effective tax rate on the gross value of estates is well below the top statutory tax rate of 40 percent (see chart). Consider a widow with a gross estate of “only” a little over $11 million and an exemption of roughly $10 million. With no other deductions, her estate would owe about $400,000 in tax (40 percent of the non-exempt value), or an effective tax rate of under 4 percent on the $11 million.

3rd-Notwithstanding all the recent hoopla among House Ways and Means Committee Republicans over the estate tax’s burden on small businesses and family farms, only about 20 U.S. small businesses and farms a year owe any federal estate tax at all, according to Tax Policy Center figures.

Repeal advocates say that families are liquidating treasured family businesses and farms right and left to pay the estate tax. That’s a well-documented myth and a red herring. If nothing else, the estate tax contains special provisions, including the option to spread payments over 15 years at low interest rates, for the rare family business or farm lacking the available resources to pay the full tax up front.

Repealers also argue, per the Ways and Means Committee’s blog, that the estate tax doesn’t raise enough money to be “worth the pain and heartache it causes.” In fact, repealers greatly overstate the pain and heartache and understate the revenue loss. Repeal would boost budget deficits over the next 10 years by almost $320 billion (including both revenue losses and interest costs on the debt).

The truth is that repealing the estate tax would mainly benefit the MOST WEALTHIEST among us. In 2016, the wealthiest 1,300 or so estates – those worth $20 million or more – would receive 73 percent of the benefit, with each receiving a tax windfall averaging roughly $10 million, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation’s analysis of the repeal proposal that the Ways and Means Committee approved this week.

A key argument for an estate tax is to back-up the income tax. Without it, much of the money that one generation passes on to the next would never be taxed. That’s because increases in the value of assets like real estate and stocks aren’t subject to income tax until the holder sells the assets. Under current law, any tax liablity for such unrealized capital gains effectively disappears when the assets are transferred through inheritance. Unrealized, untaxed capital gains are a large share of the BIGGEST estates.

Repealers disingenuously call the estate tax a “death tax that hurts small businesses and family farms most of all." BULL CRAP!! In fact, the repealers would boost budget deficits to help the WEALTHIEST among us while, at the same time, they’re adopting a budget that gets most of its budget savings from cutting programs that help the least well-off.

This isn’t about struggling small businesses and family farms. It’s about another huge tax cut for those who need it the least.
1st- Most people don’t leave a taxable estate when... (show quote)

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May 2, 2015 09:05:55   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
This is all about giving a huge tax break to the megawealthy and sticking the rest of us with the bill! The Koch Brothers strike again.


Why all the "sky is falling" when it's not even law yet and most probably won't be?

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May 2, 2015 09:06:19   #
Pulfnick Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
The House Republicans repealed the estate tax today which benefited the top two percent of the wealthiest people in the country. This two hundred and sixty-nine billion dollars will be added to the deficit. I am curious how the conservatives that post on OPP can justify this when the Republicans claim that we can't afford to fix our infrastructure.


Confiscating money earned and already fully taxed simply because of the victim's wealth is theft. This is arbitrary, unjustified seizure of private property without any compensation whatsoever.

Penalizing success and rewarding failure/irresponsibility is an abhorrent characteristic of mob rule - also known as pure democracy where two wolves and a lamb decide on what's for dinner. We've got way too many moochers and parasites using the government to steal from their neighbors.

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May 2, 2015 10:49:10   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Why all the "sky is falling" when it's not even law yet and most probably won't be?


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1st- we know this most likely won't pass the President's desk
2nd-it DID pass the House and it's next stop, the Senate, is controlled by the GOPTP, too.
3rd- we're just discussing the pros and cons of the bill
4th-this is an actual bill, not some made up bucket of lies like the President's citizenship, birth certificate, faith, or the liberals are going to take away our guns, like the conserves ALWAYS discuss on here.

Do we have your permission to continue?

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May 2, 2015 12:00:48   #
dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)
 
Salty and Alabuck, you're counting your chickens before they're hatched. How does NOT getting an ESTiMATED amount of money ADD to the DEFICIT? You guys would make a killing at The County Fair perpetrating the old shell game on unsuspecting suckers. "Now you see it, now you don't." If you were serious about reducing the Deficit you'd be following JFlorio's comment and REDUCING SPENDING!!!! There are (32) identical training programs in the Federal Lexicon of programs; one would suffice and save $millions. Think Congress ever looks at that? Well over a third of the Federal Budget could be cut overnight just by weeding out waste, fraud and abuse. Phony Medicare bills from nonexistent medical device providers for example. Or the Destroyer (DD-964) overhaul which would have cost $4million to do in a private shipyard but which cost $12million in a government one in 2000. Know where all the difference in price came from? Overhead costs in the Government Yard. "An elephant is a mouse built to a federal specification." But, according to you two turkeys, "The Government can spend my money more wisely and prudently than I can." Not so much guys, not so much.

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May 2, 2015 13:49:08   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
Pulfnick wrote:
Confiscating money earned and already fully taxed simply because of the victim's wealth is theft. This is arbitrary, unjustified seizure of private property without any compensation whatsoever.

Penalizing success and rewarding failure/irresponsibility is an abhorrent characteristic of mob rule - also known as pure democracy where two wolves and a lamb decide on what's for dinner. We've got way too many moochers and parasites using the government to steal from their neighbors.

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So, the interest earned from the investments of the wealthy is already taxed? What little money I get from my investments is counted on my 1040 as income. These rich people may not get their principle monies taxed because it was already taxed, but they have so much money that their earned interest is in the millions of dollars. Interest is earned income and is taxable. Plus, the money earned for the selling of stocks and bonds is taxable as it's profit.

Also, the money ISN'T already fully taxed, as you claim. Most of the wealthy have places they can hide their earnings that the rest of us don't have access to. When the tax laws are written by the rich, expect them to cry foul when it comes time to pay their fair share.

Re read my post. This bill the House passed only effects about 1,300 households. Of course, these are the richest 1,300 households in the U.S. And, this bill only adds to the deficit.

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May 2, 2015 14:06:38   #
Nickolai
 
JFlorio wrote:
Quite a stretch there. You don't figure in Estate Taxes when figuring the budget. At least I wouldn't. Here's a novel idea for you throw someone else's money at everything liberals. How about cutting waste, fraud and duplicate programs from the Federal budget. We have more tax revenue coming in than ever before. Spending someone else's money is not always the answer. Here's how I defend this. It is the family's money, not yours. If you want to stimulate the economy let people keep more of their money and give them policies that entice them to spend it. The difference between you and I on this argument is you think the Bureaucrats in Washington can spend your, mine, dead peoples money more efficiently than the person or persons entitled to it.
Quite a stretch there. You don't figure in Estate ... (show quote)










All the revenue that flows into the Federal treasury is and always been some one else's money. That's how government and all of it's responsibilities are executed. What better time to tax someone but when they are dead. The reason the estate tax was initiated in the early 20th century was that enormous wealth was building up during the gilded age and it was believed that it would be inappropriate for our democracy to allow for a European type dynastic wealth to be built up un taxed. In most cases an estate holds real estate or long term held stocks that never been taxed for their cap gains, The fact that the Republicans In the House repealed the tax is a clear demonstration that the Republican cares not for ordinary Americans but is beholden to the richest 1 % f**k the nation.

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May 2, 2015 15:45:15   #
Pulfnick Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
[quote=alabuck]---------
So, the interest earned from the investments of the wealthy is already taxed? What little money I get from my investments is counted on my 1040 as income. These rich people may not get their principle monies taxed because it was already taxed, but they have so much money that their earned interest is in the millions of dollars. Interest is earned income and is taxable. Plus, the money earned for the selling of stocks and bonds is taxable as it's profit.

Also, the money ISN'T already fully taxed, as you claim. Most of the wealthy have places they can hide their earnings that the rest of us don't have access to. When the tax laws are written by the rich, expect them to cry foul when it comes time to pay their fair share.



You are at best thoroughly confused. Please attempt to find out how taxes are levied. You might lower your blood pressure.

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