PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

While I have not vetted the sources in this article, if even a portion is true then same-sex unions within the Christian Church is not anything new.

http://www.christianity-revealed.com/cr/files/whensamesexmarriagewasachristianrite.html

dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)

Having attained a period of sobriety I'm now looking back on my relationship with Bacchus but people are people the world around. If it were possible to establish a civil union which conferred every single right conferred on heterosexual couples by the marriage ceremony then acceptance for homosexual marriage could come about with time. Otherwise it is going to be a long, uphill battle getting there.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Why bother discussing the issue? It's so much more productive to vent one's bias with foul language.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

I have read over the years about secret ceremonies performed in monestaries uniting men and the boys who served as their child man servants. the arrangement was supposedly binding until the boy became of age and probably entered the priesthood. that may be the start of the tradition of adult male priests and boys, going back to the same custom in Greek and Roman times. Don't forget that the Catholic popes also sired a large number of children, had great fortunes of gold and silver and in many other ways were hardly examples of a holy life.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

I understand what you are saying NPP. But nothing in this article seems to indicate it was a secret ceremony, or that it was valid only until a certain age.

I only posted this to show that the idea of same-sex marriage in Christianity was something that actually occurred throughout history. I think this article is worth some un-biased research.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

I agree, but that leaves both of us out, doesn't it?

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Well, neither of us is going to be completely unbiased. But while I doubt I will ever decide to call one of the essential portions of my identity as sinful and wrong, I do like to think I am open to new information.

And remember, I have no need or desire for the church's blessing. My only goal here is to say that marriage, at some time and place in Christianity, did indeed seem to include same-sex couples, contrary to what some Christians today say.

PeterS

Hate to tell you this but homosexuality has been here since the beginning of time so it only figures that it is prelivant in the Church--all Churches. You guys really should get use to it because it isn't going to go anywhere...

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

I couldn't agree more Peter.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

So has mans inhumanity to man been around forever. Men have been stealing from one another, beating their children, lying to each other. they have been greedy, or gluttons, willing to take slaves, and abandon children. People have not lived up to their promises to themselves, their neighbors, or spouses, or to their God. Since these acts have been there forever, then I guess what ever people do and keep doing is not a sin, according to your reasoning. The argument that because other people and other cultures may have condoned the behavior, and that goes for all of the above, then it must not be a sin. Moral relativism as its very best. If all morals are relative, then none are wrong, and we must not judge. Guess that includes Muslims who behead Christians, and the Nazis who murdered millions, or the gulags of Stalin's Soviet union. So why did we fight the Nazis, since their choices were equally valid to our own? After all people have been murdering other tribes forever, and also killing those who didn't behave the way they should have according to a tribal custom somewhere. hat is where your qargument ends up, whether or not you are willing to admit it. But it also means that you should not condemn those who murder homosexuals as many cultures have always done so.

ghostgotcha Loc: The Florida swamps

Queers, faggots, sadist, sodomites. It all comes out the same in the wash.

Full of filth and deserving our scorn.

Lily

First they wanted hospital visitation and medical authority for their [i]partners[/]. Next it was inheritance. Next it was something else. Then it was just give us civil unions. Then it was the holy sacrament of marriage and the lie churches wouldn't have to conduct their fake ceremonies. That'll prove to be another lie. Some flaming ahole will decide they like some particular church because it's a nice place and sue them when they don't get their way. So far the only thing they've proved is they're liars, among other things.

jelun

You can continue to fantasize about pedophilia until the cows come home. I hope you enjoy it immensely, you sick fool, if it keeps you from acting on your proclivities.
That has nothing to do with this subject.
Same sex union within the Church is put forward as historical fact not the twisted fantasies of some old reprobate.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

No, it was put forward as a possibility, not a fact. Perhaps in the Bible within the New Testament or the history of the Catholic church you can find the whole story and present your research for all of us to see. Paul said he was going to look into it further and try to find documentation as to what the ceremony was, when it was instigated, for how long was it policy and include sources. Even Paul who would clearly love to say that the Catholic church celebrated same sex weddings as a fact, just as he would like to say that it was a fact that Jesus Christ was a homosexual who had sex with his Apostles, which is what "gay writer" Robert Gross states in "Queering Christ" a book that I assume you have read color to cover as you often repeat what he claims throughout the book.

She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia

I can not comment on the Christian Unions. However, I don't understand why it would be important to force a church or temple to perform a ceremony that is direct conflict with their dogma.

That said, I believe it would be far more rewarding to simply go with a religious group that will celebrate the union. A wedding should be a time of joy not conflict.

I resent the gay community for attempting to force changes within any religious group. I also resent any religious group attempting to force their beliefs through legislation. We should all be free to follow our paths. I feel your religion or your sexual preference is none of my business. I would just ask for the same respect.

We all follow our own truths which is how it should be. I am human. I do not have all the answers. Hell, half the time, I don't even have the right questions. I wish for peace and happiness for all human beings. I have no ill will towards the gay community but two wrongs will never make a right. If you want respect for your beliefs, you must grant others the same respect.