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Mar 20, 2015 10:21:11   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Would you believe it if someone told you a billion dollar bank account could be yours by simply renouncing your citizenship? Probably not, but there are currently around 400,000 people in the United States who have been a little easier to convince.



http://www.centralfloridafuture.com/story/news/2015/03/18/sovereign-citizens-say-law/24978559/

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Mar 20, 2015 10:31:40   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
Would you believe it if someone told you a billion dollar bank account could be yours by simply renouncing your citizenship? Probably not, but there are currently around 400,000 people in the United States who have been a little easier to convince.



http://www.centralfloridafuture.com/story/news/2015/03/18/sovereign-citizens-say-law/24978559/


And your not concerned about the militarization of local law enforcement agencies all across the US, are dumbass?

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Mar 20, 2015 11:39:09   #
Striker Loc: Arizona Rockies
 
The term "sovereign citizen" would seem to be an oxymoron.

Better it be called "sovereign individual", as "citizen" implies being a Subject of some set of Rulers, aka a GOVERNment of Force, of course.

This is a HUGE subject, extending to not merely 400,000 well-to-do Americans, but to every human being in existence.

It rests upon our very Right to Life and further to all which is necessary to sustain that life and strive for prosperity. The basis is stated by the NAP (Non-Aggression Principle) in a short video: http://no-ruler.net/nap-axiom/
which sadly is begun with "officials"
rather than with "No Human".

Obviously bits and pieces have oft been written on all this, but it truly needs to be THE priority dialog for all humanity!

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Mar 20, 2015 14:13:43   #
katron Loc: Texas and Arizona
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
Would you believe it if someone told you a billion dollar bank account could be yours by simply renouncing your citizenship? Probably not, but there are currently around 400,000 people in the United States who have been a little easier to convince.



http://www.centralfloridafuture.com/story/news/2015/03/18/sovereign-citizens-say-law/24978559/

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My response is that the article seemed to indicate that all persons who consider themselves "sovereign citizens" will break laws. I contend this is not a true assessment. I contend that "soverein citizens" are like the rest of the population: some with morals and some without morals. Shooting people who have done you no harm is not only illegal, it is amoral. I consider myself a sovereign person because my life belongs to me, not anyone else. I believe ALL PERSONS are sovereign persons.

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Mar 20, 2015 14:19:58   #
katron Loc: Texas and Arizona
 
Striker wrote:
The term "sovereign citizen" would seem to be an oxymoron.

Better it be called "sovereign individual", as "citizen" implies being a Subject of some set of Rulers, aka a GOVERNment of Force, of course.

Obviously bits and pieces have oft been written on all this, but it truly needs to be THE priority dialog for all humanity!

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I agree the term should NOT be "sovereign citizen", but should be "sovereign person or individual", as the word "citizen" implies member or ward of said nation ruled by GOVERNment.

It feels strange to say it, but actually I don't believe most Americans, indeed most of the world, believe that individuals own their own bodies except under specific circumstances. Otherwise I think they believe government owns them.

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Mar 20, 2015 14:40:32   #
Striker Loc: Arizona Rockies
 
True sovereigns must have their Right to Life and all that follows to preserve and enhance that life, without intruding on those same rights. No "permission" shall be required!

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Mar 20, 2015 15:30:45   #
katron Loc: Texas and Arizona
 
Striker wrote:
True sovereigns must have their Right to Life and all that follows to preserve and enhance that life, without intruding on those same rights. No "permission" shall be required!

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Exactly so!

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Mar 20, 2015 16:20:49   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
katron wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Americans, indeed most of the world, believe that individuals own their own bodies except under specific circumstances. Otherwise I think they believe government owns them.


Really, where did you draw that conclusion from? What dots did you connect to make that connection?

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Mar 20, 2015 23:03:35   #
katron Loc: Texas and Arizona
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
Really, where did you draw that conclusion from? What dots did you connect to make that connection?

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C'mon! You can do it! THINK! It isn't really very hard.

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Mar 20, 2015 23:17:01   #
Striker Loc: Arizona Rockies
 
katron wrote:
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C'mon! You can do it! THINK! It isn't really very hard.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Yes, I kinda believe he CAN think, but expects others to do his homework!

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Mar 20, 2015 23:46:16   #
katron Loc: Texas and Arizona
 
Striker wrote:
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Yes, I kinda believe he CAN think, but expects others to do his homework!


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Mar 21, 2015 09:29:46   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
katron wrote:
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C'mon! You can do it! THINK! It isn't really very hard.


...you brought it up...explain yourself...it might actually be interesting. Clearly, you can't think for yourself: you just like makin' shit up.

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Mar 21, 2015 09:56:01   #
katron Loc: Texas and Arizona
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
...you brought it up...explain yourself...it might actually be interesting. Clearly, you can't think for yourself: you just like makin' shit up.


Frankly you are not worth the effort. You want to actually KNOW something, try THINKING rather than harrassing.

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Mar 21, 2015 10:01:11   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
katron wrote:
Frankly you are not worth the effort. You want to actually KNOW something, try THINKING rather than harrassing.


...and I would say the same to you, twit. Like I said, it might be interesting, but you are not an interesting person, you're a side show, not worthy of attention. Since when is asking for a logical discourse harassing?

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Mar 21, 2015 10:07:45   #
katron Loc: Texas and Arizona
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
...and I would say the same to you, twit. Like I said, it might be interesting, but you are not an interesting person, you're a side show, not worthy of attention. Since when is asking for a logical discourse harassing?


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When logical discourse is not the goal nor the wish. And you are not after either.

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