The Three Reasons People Hate Trump...
May 9, 2024 07:06:38 #
In the article below, the author cites his "three reasons people hate Trump" - the Triple S’s: Silly, Subconscious, and Sinister.
Let’s take them in order.
First are the “sillies.” These are people who hate Trump purely because of his demeanor. They don’t like the way he throws insults around, the way he has been caught on tape talking about women, or any of a number of other reasons that relate to personal attributes as opposed to matters of policy or his ability to govern.
The second group of folks with what gets called “Trump derangement syndrome” are those who hate the candidate-in-chief for reasons that are subconscious or subliminal.
There are three main drivers of this subconscious hatred. They are guilt, shame, and altruism.
Donald Trump is unapologetic in his love of country and his claims that America is exceptional and that the needs of our nation and its citizens must be placed first in any and all considerations involving domestic policy or foreign diplomacy. This message resonates with at least half the nation, and the fire and brimstone with which he delivers it explains the energy and enthusiasm found at his rallies. Every Trump appearance feels like the Beatles landing in America in 1964.
There is a third group of Trump haters who cannot be reached and with whom all must reckon.
Those are the sinister ones—the ones who are not conflicted by Trump’s “America first” message but who are instead vehemently opposed to it.
These are the people who are rightly labeled as globalists—people who want America to recede into the middle of a heterogenous, global community, setting its strong nation-state aside and becoming no more significant in world affairs than are the nations of Chad, Azerbaijan, or Guyana. “Lead from behind” is just one of the more coffee mug-ready ideas that they hold, all of which seek to have us become part of Orwell’s Oceania.
These people don’t want to confront China; they want to make money with it. These people do not want to protect our borders; they want to open them so that we can water down our national identity. These people don’t want us to be energy independent; they want to tilt at energy windmills by installing actual windmills and curry favor with the United Nations and the World Economic Forum (two decidedly anti-American and anti-Trump organizations).
This sinister group, hateful of the very thought of American supremacy, simply detests Donald Trump and knows that he has created an awakening among his followers as to their designs to rebuild an unleavened America. They truly hate the man, and they consciously and irrationally want him off the stage.
The author concludes with the following," While my own personal feelings about the former president are mixed, my strong opposition to the third group of his haters is clear and unwavering. It needs to be a sort of political “Great Commission” to go out and make believers not out of all three nations of Trump haters, just the first two."
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/three-reasons-people-hate-trump
Let’s take them in order.
First are the “sillies.” These are people who hate Trump purely because of his demeanor. They don’t like the way he throws insults around, the way he has been caught on tape talking about women, or any of a number of other reasons that relate to personal attributes as opposed to matters of policy or his ability to govern.
The second group of folks with what gets called “Trump derangement syndrome” are those who hate the candidate-in-chief for reasons that are subconscious or subliminal.
There are three main drivers of this subconscious hatred. They are guilt, shame, and altruism.
Donald Trump is unapologetic in his love of country and his claims that America is exceptional and that the needs of our nation and its citizens must be placed first in any and all considerations involving domestic policy or foreign diplomacy. This message resonates with at least half the nation, and the fire and brimstone with which he delivers it explains the energy and enthusiasm found at his rallies. Every Trump appearance feels like the Beatles landing in America in 1964.
There is a third group of Trump haters who cannot be reached and with whom all must reckon.
Those are the sinister ones—the ones who are not conflicted by Trump’s “America first” message but who are instead vehemently opposed to it.
These are the people who are rightly labeled as globalists—people who want America to recede into the middle of a heterogenous, global community, setting its strong nation-state aside and becoming no more significant in world affairs than are the nations of Chad, Azerbaijan, or Guyana. “Lead from behind” is just one of the more coffee mug-ready ideas that they hold, all of which seek to have us become part of Orwell’s Oceania.
These people don’t want to confront China; they want to make money with it. These people do not want to protect our borders; they want to open them so that we can water down our national identity. These people don’t want us to be energy independent; they want to tilt at energy windmills by installing actual windmills and curry favor with the United Nations and the World Economic Forum (two decidedly anti-American and anti-Trump organizations).
This sinister group, hateful of the very thought of American supremacy, simply detests Donald Trump and knows that he has created an awakening among his followers as to their designs to rebuild an unleavened America. They truly hate the man, and they consciously and irrationally want him off the stage.
The author concludes with the following," While my own personal feelings about the former president are mixed, my strong opposition to the third group of his haters is clear and unwavering. It needs to be a sort of political “Great Commission” to go out and make believers not out of all three nations of Trump haters, just the first two."
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/three-reasons-people-hate-trump
May 9, 2024 08:07:24 #
Coos Bay Tom
Loc: coos bay oregon
ACP45 wrote:
In the article below, the author cites his "t... (show quote)
Well you don't have my reason . Way back when we had the draft some 19 year old High school seniors were being drafted before they finished high school . within a week after graduation they were on an airplane headed for basic training then to Viet Nam .-- Fresh out of high school !!-- From the time I was in the 7th grade this was going on . When I came of age around a dozen of my classmates were drafted just this way . Boys I had known all my life . a few came back in body bags and others full of schrapnel and missing body parts . My parents impressed on me that I was no better than they were and I enlisted . Meanwhile --So also Trump with a silver spoon in his mouth had a liar doctor say he had bone spurs and He famously said -- I bravely fought my own battle avoiding STDs in the sexual revolution during the Viet Nam war ---
May 9, 2024 10:18:38 #
slatten49
Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
George Monbiot
US culture is an incubator of ‘extrinsic values’. Nobody embodies them like the Republican frontrunner
Many explanations are proposed for the continued rise of Donald Trump, and the steadfastness of his support, even as the outrages and criminal charges pile up. Some of these explanations are powerful. But there is one I have seen mentioned nowhere, which could, I believe, be the most important: Trump is king of the extrinsics.
Some psychologists believe our values tend to cluster around certain poles, described as “intrinsic” and “extrinsic”. People with a strong set of intrinsic values are inclined towards empathy, intimacy and self-acceptance. They tend to be open to challenge and change, interested in universal rights and equality, and protective of other people and the living world.
People at the extrinsic end of the spectrum are more attracted to prestige, status, image, fame, power and wealth. They are strongly motivated by the prospect of individual reward and praise. They are more likely to objectify and exploit other people, to behave rudely and aggressively and to dismiss social and environmental impacts. They have little interest in cooperation or community. People with a strong set of extrinsic values are more likely to suffer from frustration, dissatisfaction, stress, anxiety, anger and compulsive behaviour.
Trump exemplifies extrinsic values. From the tower bearing his name in gold letters to his gross overstatements of his wealth; from his endless ranting about “winners” and “losers” to his reported habit of cheating at golf; from his extreme objectification of women, including his own daughter, to his obsession with the size of his hands; from his rejection of public service, human rights and environmental protection to his extreme dissatisfaction and fury, undiminished even when he was president of the United States, Trump, perhaps more than any other public figure in recent history, is a walking, talking monument to extrinsic values.
We are not born with our values. They are shaped by the cues and responses we receive from other people and the prevailing mores of our society. They are also molded by the political environment we inhabit. If people live under a cruel and grasping political system, they tend to normalize and internalize it, absorbing its dominant claims and translating them into extrinsic values. This, in turn, permits an even crueler and more grasping political system to develop.
If, by contrast, people live in a country in which no one becomes destitute, in which social norms are characterized by kindness, empathy, community and freedom from want and fear, their values are likely to shift towards the intrinsic end. This process is known as policy feedback, or the “values ratchet”. The values ratchet operates at the societal and the individual level: a strong set of extrinsic values often develops as a result of insecurity and unfulfilled needs. These extrinsic values then generate further insecurity and unfulfilled needs.
‘From his endless ranting about ‘winners’ and ‘losers’ to his reported habit of cheating at golf, Donald Trump is a walking, talking monument to extrinsic values.’
Ever since Ronald Reagan came to power, on a platform that ensured society became sharply divided into “winners” and “losers”, and ever more people, lacking public provision, were allowed to fall through the cracks, US politics has become fertile soil for extrinsic values. As Democratic presidents, following Reagan, embraced most of the principles of neoliberalism, the ratchet was scarcely reversed. The appeal to extrinsic values by the Democrats, Labor and other once-progressive parties is always self-defeating. Research shows that the further towards the extrinsic end of the spectrum people travel, the more likely they are to vote for a rightwing party.
But the shift goes deeper than politics. For well over a century, the US, more than most nations, has worshipped extrinsic values: the American dream is a dream of acquiring wealth, spending it conspicuously and escaping the constraints of other people’s needs and demands. It is accompanied, in politics and in popular culture, by toxic myths about failure and success: wealth is the goal, regardless of how it is acquired. The ubiquity of advertising, the commercialization of society and the rise of consumerism, alongside the media’s obsession with fame and fashion, reinforce this story. The marketing of insecurity, especially about physical appearance, and the manufacture of unfulfilled wants, dig holes in our psyches that we might try to fill with money, fame or power. For decades, the dominant cultural themes in the US – and in many other nations – have functioned as an almost perfect incubator of extrinsic values.
A classic sign of this shift is the individuation of blame. On both sides of the Atlantic, it now takes extreme forms. Under the criminal justice bill now passing through parliament, people caught rough sleeping can be imprisoned or fined up to £2,500 if they are deemed to constitute a “nuisance” or cause “damage”. According to article 61 of the bill, “damage” includes smelling bad. It’s hard to know where to begin with this. If someone had £2,500 to spare, they wouldn’t be on the streets. The government is proposing to provide prison cells for rough sleepers, but not homes. Perhaps most importantly, people are being blamed and criminalized for their own destitution, which in many cases will have been caused by government policy.
We talk about society’s rightward journey. We talk about polarization and division. We talk about isolation and the mental health crisis. But what underlies these trends is a shift in values. This is the cause of many of our dysfunctions; the rest are symptoms.
When a society values status, money, power and dominance, it is bound to generate frustration. It is impossible for everyone to be number one. The more the economic elites grab, the more everyone else must lose. Someone must be blamed for the ensuing disappointment. In a culture that worships winners, it can’t be them. It must be those evil people pursuing a kinder world, in which wealth is distributed, no one is forgotten and communities and the living planet are protected. Those who have developed a strong set of extrinsic values will vote for the person who represents them, the person who has what they want. Trump. And where the US goes, the rest of us follow.
Trump might well win again – God help us if he does. If so, his victory will be due not only to the racial resentment of aging white men, or to his weaponization of culture wars or to algorithms and echo chambers, important as these factors are. It will also be the result of values embedded so deeply that we forget they are there.
US culture is an incubator of ‘extrinsic values’. Nobody embodies them like the Republican frontrunner
Many explanations are proposed for the continued rise of Donald Trump, and the steadfastness of his support, even as the outrages and criminal charges pile up. Some of these explanations are powerful. But there is one I have seen mentioned nowhere, which could, I believe, be the most important: Trump is king of the extrinsics.
Some psychologists believe our values tend to cluster around certain poles, described as “intrinsic” and “extrinsic”. People with a strong set of intrinsic values are inclined towards empathy, intimacy and self-acceptance. They tend to be open to challenge and change, interested in universal rights and equality, and protective of other people and the living world.
People at the extrinsic end of the spectrum are more attracted to prestige, status, image, fame, power and wealth. They are strongly motivated by the prospect of individual reward and praise. They are more likely to objectify and exploit other people, to behave rudely and aggressively and to dismiss social and environmental impacts. They have little interest in cooperation or community. People with a strong set of extrinsic values are more likely to suffer from frustration, dissatisfaction, stress, anxiety, anger and compulsive behaviour.
Trump exemplifies extrinsic values. From the tower bearing his name in gold letters to his gross overstatements of his wealth; from his endless ranting about “winners” and “losers” to his reported habit of cheating at golf; from his extreme objectification of women, including his own daughter, to his obsession with the size of his hands; from his rejection of public service, human rights and environmental protection to his extreme dissatisfaction and fury, undiminished even when he was president of the United States, Trump, perhaps more than any other public figure in recent history, is a walking, talking monument to extrinsic values.
We are not born with our values. They are shaped by the cues and responses we receive from other people and the prevailing mores of our society. They are also molded by the political environment we inhabit. If people live under a cruel and grasping political system, they tend to normalize and internalize it, absorbing its dominant claims and translating them into extrinsic values. This, in turn, permits an even crueler and more grasping political system to develop.
If, by contrast, people live in a country in which no one becomes destitute, in which social norms are characterized by kindness, empathy, community and freedom from want and fear, their values are likely to shift towards the intrinsic end. This process is known as policy feedback, or the “values ratchet”. The values ratchet operates at the societal and the individual level: a strong set of extrinsic values often develops as a result of insecurity and unfulfilled needs. These extrinsic values then generate further insecurity and unfulfilled needs.
‘From his endless ranting about ‘winners’ and ‘losers’ to his reported habit of cheating at golf, Donald Trump is a walking, talking monument to extrinsic values.’
Ever since Ronald Reagan came to power, on a platform that ensured society became sharply divided into “winners” and “losers”, and ever more people, lacking public provision, were allowed to fall through the cracks, US politics has become fertile soil for extrinsic values. As Democratic presidents, following Reagan, embraced most of the principles of neoliberalism, the ratchet was scarcely reversed. The appeal to extrinsic values by the Democrats, Labor and other once-progressive parties is always self-defeating. Research shows that the further towards the extrinsic end of the spectrum people travel, the more likely they are to vote for a rightwing party.
But the shift goes deeper than politics. For well over a century, the US, more than most nations, has worshipped extrinsic values: the American dream is a dream of acquiring wealth, spending it conspicuously and escaping the constraints of other people’s needs and demands. It is accompanied, in politics and in popular culture, by toxic myths about failure and success: wealth is the goal, regardless of how it is acquired. The ubiquity of advertising, the commercialization of society and the rise of consumerism, alongside the media’s obsession with fame and fashion, reinforce this story. The marketing of insecurity, especially about physical appearance, and the manufacture of unfulfilled wants, dig holes in our psyches that we might try to fill with money, fame or power. For decades, the dominant cultural themes in the US – and in many other nations – have functioned as an almost perfect incubator of extrinsic values.
A classic sign of this shift is the individuation of blame. On both sides of the Atlantic, it now takes extreme forms. Under the criminal justice bill now passing through parliament, people caught rough sleeping can be imprisoned or fined up to £2,500 if they are deemed to constitute a “nuisance” or cause “damage”. According to article 61 of the bill, “damage” includes smelling bad. It’s hard to know where to begin with this. If someone had £2,500 to spare, they wouldn’t be on the streets. The government is proposing to provide prison cells for rough sleepers, but not homes. Perhaps most importantly, people are being blamed and criminalized for their own destitution, which in many cases will have been caused by government policy.
We talk about society’s rightward journey. We talk about polarization and division. We talk about isolation and the mental health crisis. But what underlies these trends is a shift in values. This is the cause of many of our dysfunctions; the rest are symptoms.
When a society values status, money, power and dominance, it is bound to generate frustration. It is impossible for everyone to be number one. The more the economic elites grab, the more everyone else must lose. Someone must be blamed for the ensuing disappointment. In a culture that worships winners, it can’t be them. It must be those evil people pursuing a kinder world, in which wealth is distributed, no one is forgotten and communities and the living planet are protected. Those who have developed a strong set of extrinsic values will vote for the person who represents them, the person who has what they want. Trump. And where the US goes, the rest of us follow.
Trump might well win again – God help us if he does. If so, his victory will be due not only to the racial resentment of aging white men, or to his weaponization of culture wars or to algorithms and echo chambers, important as these factors are. It will also be the result of values embedded so deeply that we forget they are there.
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May 9, 2024 10:24:36 #
slatten49
Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Well you don't have my reason . Way back when we h... (show quote)
Tom, a previous posting of mine spoke of those feelings about Trump:
"My feelings for Vets (especially 'Nam Vets) run deep. The below links/articles & my following comments may help explain a major source of my disdain for Donald Trump. I doubt my lack of regard for him will ever change, though I regret that it often creates a schism between myself and others.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=donaldstrumpspersonalvietnam&cvid=a41d5983f0f94daaa1d225ba1510d899&FORM=ANAB01&PC=HCTS
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/times-trump-insulted-u-s-veterans-military-service-article-1.3204210# (Taken from above link)
Regarding Donald Trump's interviews on the Howard Stern Show over twenty years ago, I wrote the following:
In the field, particularly, but also on the hospital ship USS Sanctuary in 1968, I saw kids my age whose bodies were ripped apart by gunfire from rifles or automatic weapons, artillery rounds, mortar rounds and booby traps from the enemy in Viet Nam. My lesser wounds allowed me times to walk through the wards visiting those who were left without arms, legs, genitals or had suffered damage to various body parts---including their facial structure and features. Many had also lost all sense of who they were before incurring such wounds, from psychological and emotional damage. A kid younger than I from a bed near mine ended up dying. IMO, he died of a broken heart. Sometime before, he had received a 'Dear John' letter from his fiancee back home. That letter (again, IMO) destroyed his will to live. This, after he had struggled mightily to achieve a certain degree of recovery, enough for having been scheduled to go on to Japan for better treatment and surgery necessary to guarantee a somewhat normal life.
For Trump, in any way, to compare the dangers of dating from STDs, etc. to the experiences of young men who sacrificed their lives or body parts in combat service to their country in Viet Nam or any war was/is abominable to me. When I first became aware of his comments, I was livid with anger. This many years later, I am reminded of Trump's callousness and obvious disregard for the feelings of friends or families who lost loved ones in that or any war.
Whatever one chooses to call his tone---mocking, sarcastic, or just down-right thoughtless, I cannot/will not forgive him. Neither could I tolerate his belittling of John McCain's service or the associated belittling of all POWs for getting captured. I can't listen to anyone who tells me he didn't demean them with his all-encompassing remarks. I watched while listening to his own words. I personally have met/know two living POWs (One died since this was written) and knew a survivor of the Bataan death march of American POWs in WWII. The last died a number of years ago, but the other two survived tortuous treatment by their captors and remain with us today. By surviving, they each were able to return and have families that, no doubt, help each forget the months and years of their imprisonments.
Trump's statements exceeded stupid or in jest, especially since he was playing to an audience and being recorded, both for radio, TV---and, for posterity. He was, at that time, around the age of fifty, an age most would have shown some maturity and empathy for those who did not have his good fortune in escaping service before, during and after college, but instead served their nation. Again, the families and friends of those who either didn't return from that horrific war, or, returned physically and/or psychologically maimed did/do not need to be hearing of Mr. Trump's bravery and courage in the dating game being equated to other's service to country.
IMHO, President Trump's patriotism is about as thin as the outer skin of an onion."
May 9, 2024 13:27:57 #
Yetyou don't seem to have any hard feelings towards Democrat presidents that didn't jump to nam.
May 9, 2024 14:30:56 #
LostAggie66
Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)
slatten49 wrote:
George Monbiot br br US culture is an incubator o... (show quote)
Good post slatten. I think you have described Mr trump and his supporters very well.
May 9, 2024 14:42:52 #
LostAggie66
Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Well you don't have my reason . Way back when we h... (show quote)
Well Stated Tom.
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May 9, 2024 16:15:40 #
May 9, 2024 17:40:28 #
America 1
Loc: South Miami
[quote=Coos Bay Tom]Well you don't have my reason.
Biden received draft deferments during the Vietnam War
Reggie Regrut (letter, May 19) recently said that President Trump’s visit to West Point is a political stunt.
He would like to think this visit is strictly for political gain during this upcoming election.
However, if he took a good look at the president he might realize he’s doing it because he really loves this country. These cadets love this country too, and are willing to fight for it.
Regrut claims that Trump is a draft-dodging coward and suggests we vote for Joe Biden.
I would ask Regrut and readers to look at Biden’s military record.
Biden received student draft deferments during the Vietnam War.
Do you know how many wealthy families made their sons go to college to get out of fighting?
I’m betting a lot of them.
After completing his studies, the Selective Service System classified him as unavailable for service because of a history of asthma as a teenager.
Bone spurs vs. asthma/student deferments.
In my opinion, Biden is a draft dodger and maybe a coward, too.
Let’s see how long he hides in his basement!
https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/opinion/2020/05/biden-received-draft-deferments-during-vietnam-war-too-letter.html
Biden received draft deferments during the Vietnam War
Reggie Regrut (letter, May 19) recently said that President Trump’s visit to West Point is a political stunt.
He would like to think this visit is strictly for political gain during this upcoming election.
However, if he took a good look at the president he might realize he’s doing it because he really loves this country. These cadets love this country too, and are willing to fight for it.
Regrut claims that Trump is a draft-dodging coward and suggests we vote for Joe Biden.
I would ask Regrut and readers to look at Biden’s military record.
Biden received student draft deferments during the Vietnam War.
Do you know how many wealthy families made their sons go to college to get out of fighting?
I’m betting a lot of them.
After completing his studies, the Selective Service System classified him as unavailable for service because of a history of asthma as a teenager.
Bone spurs vs. asthma/student deferments.
In my opinion, Biden is a draft dodger and maybe a coward, too.
Let’s see how long he hides in his basement!
https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/opinion/2020/05/biden-received-draft-deferments-during-vietnam-war-too-letter.html
May 9, 2024 18:40:25 #
Coos Bay Tom
Loc: coos bay oregon
[quote=America 1]
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Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Well you don't have my reason. br br Biden recei... (show quote)
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May 9, 2024 19:27:00 #
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
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So, .....you have a problem with "Bone spurs" but you are OK with asthma/student deferments? Is that what you are saying????
May 9, 2024 19:30:48 #
[quote=slatten49]George Monbiot
US culture is an incubator of ‘extrinsic values’. Nobody embodies them like the Republican frontrunner
Many explanations are proposed for the continued rise of Donald Trump, and the steadfastness of his support, even as the outrages and criminal charges pile up. Some of these explanations are powerful. But there is one I have seen mentioned nowhere, which could, I believe, be the most important: Trump is king of the extrinsics.
psychologists believe
What a very long word salad written by a European Psychologist…
I love the “outrages and criminal charges piling up”. Donald Trump has been one of the most investigated men in history. With all of these investigations they found NOTHING. The trial in New York is complete BS. It seems that they are charging him for something that is not a crime. That is most likely the reason the DOJ didn’t pick it up.
The trial in Florida has been all but dismissed because the FBI and Smith admitted to evidence tampering. I cannot believe that any of you liberal pukes on OPP cannot see what your Government is doing to YOU by attacking Donald Trump. If I could I would get out of the UN and kick them out of the country. I would double down with NATO and create super powers throughout the organization. The United States was a superpower before Obama and Biden is following through with it. I’m old enough that I don’t have to worry about the future. But if you liberal pukes get what you want I wish I could be around to see you try to figure out what went wrong.😑
US culture is an incubator of ‘extrinsic values’. Nobody embodies them like the Republican frontrunner
Many explanations are proposed for the continued rise of Donald Trump, and the steadfastness of his support, even as the outrages and criminal charges pile up. Some of these explanations are powerful. But there is one I have seen mentioned nowhere, which could, I believe, be the most important: Trump is king of the extrinsics.
psychologists believe
What a very long word salad written by a European Psychologist…
I love the “outrages and criminal charges piling up”. Donald Trump has been one of the most investigated men in history. With all of these investigations they found NOTHING. The trial in New York is complete BS. It seems that they are charging him for something that is not a crime. That is most likely the reason the DOJ didn’t pick it up.
The trial in Florida has been all but dismissed because the FBI and Smith admitted to evidence tampering. I cannot believe that any of you liberal pukes on OPP cannot see what your Government is doing to YOU by attacking Donald Trump. If I could I would get out of the UN and kick them out of the country. I would double down with NATO and create super powers throughout the organization. The United States was a superpower before Obama and Biden is following through with it. I’m old enough that I don’t have to worry about the future. But if you liberal pukes get what you want I wish I could be around to see you try to figure out what went wrong.😑
May 9, 2024 19:55:22 #
[quote=Turtle keeper]
" I’m old enough that I don’t have to worry about the future. But if you liberal pukes get what you want I wish I could be around to see you try to figure out what went wrong.😑" CLASSIC!!!
slatten49 wrote:
George Monbiot br br US culture is an incubator o... (show quote)
" I’m old enough that I don’t have to worry about the future. But if you liberal pukes get what you want I wish I could be around to see you try to figure out what went wrong.😑" CLASSIC!!!
May 9, 2024 20:11:38 #
Coos Bay Tom
Loc: coos bay oregon
ACP45 wrote:
So, .....you have a problem with "Bone spurs" but you are OK with asthma/student deferments? Is that what you are saying????
One or the other as an excuse does not make it right . Pot kettle . I served my country and did not run . President Nixon signed the moratorium while I was in basic training .
May 9, 2024 20:48:09 #
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
One or the other as an excuse does not make it right . Pot kettle . I served my country and did not run . President Nixon signed the moratorium while I was in basic training .
Correct Tom, "One or the other as an excuse does not make it right. Pot kettle". Yet you single out Trump and fault him for not serving in the army, yet you make no mention of Biden. Why? Selective discrimination?
Putting aside the issue of selective service, compare the policies of Trump vs. Biden on the border/illegal migrant situation, support for the war in Ukraine, the Afghanistan debacle, support for the "woke agenda", the depletion of our strategic oil reserve, the war on fossil fuels and the push for EV's/wind/solar all in the name of "climate change". I could go on and on, but I hope you get my point.
I hope you and many others with TDS can put aside you dislike/distaste for personal traits that you dislike, and focus on what is best for our country.
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