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Apr 21, 2024 23:56:58   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
NotMAGA wrote:
Oh fun!


Back then, we had a linguistic among our members. He answered using old Boston Immigrant language.

PoppaGringo, who has passed on, use to go between Spanish and Hebrew.

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Apr 22, 2024 00:01:02   #
Justice101
 
AuntiE wrote:
U.S. to Send 'Up to 60' More Military Advisors to Ukraine
Rick Moran9:22 AM on April 21, 2024

The Pentagon is saying that the U.S. will be sending more military advisors to Ukraine along with the $61 billion in military aid approved by Congress on Saturday.

“Throughout this conflict, the DOD has reviewed and adjusted our presence in-country, as security conditions have evolved. Currently, we are considering sending several additional advisers to augment the Office of Defense Cooperation (ODC) at the Embassy,” Pentagon spokesperson Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder said in a statement to Politico. He added that “personnel are subject to the same travel restrictions as all embassy employees.

The ODC helps Ukraine in a variety of support and advisory positions, exclusively in non-combat roles. They are attached to the embassy and under the command of the Chief of Mission.

In addition to logistics support, the advisors will help the Ukrainian military with weapons maintenance and perform oversight of where those weapons end up. Previous shipments of U.S. weapons have occasionally ended up being diverted to less savory groups like criminal gangs that sell them to anyone, including terrorists and jihadists.

The question of how many advisors will be sent is still being decided but Pentagon sources told Politico that "up to 60" advisors will be sent.

Biden has promised that U.S. troops will not be in combat roles. We've heard that before. The temptation to assist Ukraine as they try to regain the initiative against Russian forces will be great.

Politico:

Ukraine has clamored for more artillery, air defenses, long-range missiles and fighter jets, which frontline troops and leading politicians insist would help the Ukrainians break through Russian lines and hold their positions.

The news that the U.S. is sending additional forces to Ukraine comes as senior officials warned last week that Russia has been gaining momentum.

CIA Director Bill Burns said Ukraine could lose the war this year if Congress didn’t approve the assistance package.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, speaking to lawmakers, said, “We’re already seeing things on the battlefield begin to shift a bit in Russia’s favor. We are seeing them make incremental gains. We’re seeing the Ukrainians be challenged in terms of holding the line.”


Any Russian gains are likely to increase as Moscow will intensify attacks before the bulk of the new tranche of U.S. weapons can reach the battlefield and make any kind of difference.

Business Insider:

The think tank the Institute for the Study of War said in an update on the conflict that Russia would now likely intensify its attacks on Ukraine in order to make the most of "abnormally dry spring ground conditions and persisting Ukrainian materiel shortages" ahead of the new package.

"The now expected arrival of US security assistance has likely emphasized these considerations for Russian forces," the report said. "The Russian military command will likely intensify offensive operations and missile and drone strikes to pursue operationally significant effects that will certainly become harder to achieve against well-provisioned Ukrainian forces."

It added that Russia will likely target areas where Ukraine's defenses seem relatively unstable or where they are close to achieving an "operationally significant objective," such as to the west of Avdiivka or near Chasiv Yar — both in the Donetsk region.


A realistic goal for Ukraine — and one that Biden should insist upon — is to stabilize the front lines in the East and look to win back territory in the North. At that point, Putin might be more open to some kind of deal.

Trump could negotiate such a deal once he's president.

If anything adverse should befall these unfortunate advisers, Joe will not be looking at his watch. He will be standing upright saluting their flag draped coffins.
b U.S. to Send 'Up to 60' More Military Advisors ... (show quote)



This scenario is quite familiar. Do you remember the escalation of the Viet Nam war?
Under U.S. Pres. John F. Kennedy, the number of U.S. advisers to the South Vietnamese military rose from 1,500 to 15,000.

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Apr 22, 2024 00:05:23   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Justice101 wrote:
This scenario is quite familiar. Do you remember the escalation of the Viet Nam war?
Under U.S. Pres. John F. Kennedy, the number of U.S. advisers to the South Vietnamese military rose from 1,500 to 15,000.


Is my thinking incorrect he was going to start moving toward less participation after seeing the fruitlessness of involvement?

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Apr 22, 2024 00:09:47   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
AuntiE wrote:
Is my thinking incorrect he was going to start moving toward less participation after seeing the fruitlessness of involvement?


That was why the assassination occured (or so the conspiracy theory went). So he couldn't pull us out of Vietnam.

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Apr 22, 2024 00:14:24   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
AuntiE wrote:
U.S. to Send 'Up to 60' More Military Advisors to Ukraine
Rick Moran9:22 AM on April 21, 2024

The Pentagon is saying that the U.S. will be sending more military advisors to Ukraine along with the $61 billion in military aid approved by Congress on Saturday.

“Throughout this conflict, the DOD has reviewed and adjusted our presence in-country, as security conditions have evolved. Currently, we are considering sending several additional advisers to augment the Office of Defense Cooperation (ODC) at the Embassy,” Pentagon spokesperson Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder said in a statement to Politico. He added that “personnel are subject to the same travel restrictions as all embassy employees.

The ODC helps Ukraine in a variety of support and advisory positions, exclusively in non-combat roles. They are attached to the embassy and under the command of the Chief of Mission.

In addition to logistics support, the advisors will help the Ukrainian military with weapons maintenance and perform oversight of where those weapons end up. Previous shipments of U.S. weapons have occasionally ended up being diverted to less savory groups like criminal gangs that sell them to anyone, including terrorists and jihadists.

The question of how many advisors will be sent is still being decided but Pentagon sources told Politico that "up to 60" advisors will be sent.

Biden has promised that U.S. troops will not be in combat roles. We've heard that before. The temptation to assist Ukraine as they try to regain the initiative against Russian forces will be great.

Politico:

Ukraine has clamored for more artillery, air defenses, long-range missiles and fighter jets, which frontline troops and leading politicians insist would help the Ukrainians break through Russian lines and hold their positions.

The news that the U.S. is sending additional forces to Ukraine comes as senior officials warned last week that Russia has been gaining momentum.

CIA Director Bill Burns said Ukraine could lose the war this year if Congress didn’t approve the assistance package.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, speaking to lawmakers, said, “We’re already seeing things on the battlefield begin to shift a bit in Russia’s favor. We are seeing them make incremental gains. We’re seeing the Ukrainians be challenged in terms of holding the line.”


Any Russian gains are likely to increase as Moscow will intensify attacks before the bulk of the new tranche of U.S. weapons can reach the battlefield and make any kind of difference.

Business Insider:

The think tank the Institute for the Study of War said in an update on the conflict that Russia would now likely intensify its attacks on Ukraine in order to make the most of "abnormally dry spring ground conditions and persisting Ukrainian materiel shortages" ahead of the new package.

"The now expected arrival of US security assistance has likely emphasized these considerations for Russian forces," the report said. "The Russian military command will likely intensify offensive operations and missile and drone strikes to pursue operationally significant effects that will certainly become harder to achieve against well-provisioned Ukrainian forces."

It added that Russia will likely target areas where Ukraine's defenses seem relatively unstable or where they are close to achieving an "operationally significant objective," such as to the west of Avdiivka or near Chasiv Yar — both in the Donetsk region.


A realistic goal for Ukraine — and one that Biden should insist upon — is to stabilize the front lines in the East and look to win back territory in the North. At that point, Putin might be more open to some kind of deal.

Trump could negotiate such a deal once he's president.

If anything adverse should befall these unfortunate advisers, Joe will not be looking at his watch. He will be standing upright saluting their flag draped coffins.
b U.S. to Send 'Up to 60' More Military Advisors ... (show quote)


Isn't that how we got into Vietnam?

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Apr 22, 2024 00:26:04   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
NotMAGA wrote:
That was why the assassination occured (or so the conspiracy theory went). So he couldn't pull us out of Vietnam.


The other conspiracy, which I would lean toward, was his wish to reduce the power of the Federal Reserve.

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Apr 22, 2024 00:59:27   #
Justice101
 
AuntiE wrote:
Is my thinking incorrect he was going to start moving toward less participation after seeing the fruitlessness of involvement?


You are correct.

https://whowhatwhy.org/politics/government-integrity/jfk-ordered-full-withdrawal-vietnam-solid-evidence/

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Apr 22, 2024 14:24:48   #
martsiva
 
NotMAGA wrote:
That was why the assassination occured (or so the conspiracy theory went). So he couldn't pull us out of Vietnam.


Conspiracy theory?? He was going to pull us out of Viet Nam along with disbanding the CIA and the un-Constitutional Federal Reserve!! He was killed because of all 3 of these things he was going to do!!

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Apr 22, 2024 16:18:32   #
dbirch
 
AuntiE wrote:
U.S. to Send 'Up to 60' More Military Advisors to Ukraine
Rick Moran9:22 AM on April 21, 2024

The Pentagon is saying that the U.S. will be sending more military advisors to Ukraine along with the $61 billion in military aid approved by Congress on Saturday.

“Throughout this conflict, the DOD has reviewed and adjusted our presence in-country, as security conditions have evolved. Currently, we are considering sending several additional advisers to augment the Office of Defense Cooperation (ODC) at the Embassy,” Pentagon spokesperson Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder said in a statement to Politico. He added that “personnel are subject to the same travel restrictions as all embassy employees.

The ODC helps Ukraine in a variety of support and advisory positions, exclusively in non-combat roles. They are attached to the embassy and under the command of the Chief of Mission.

In addition to logistics support, the advisors will help the Ukrainian military with weapons maintenance and perform oversight of where those weapons end up. Previous shipments of U.S. weapons have occasionally ended up being diverted to less savory groups like criminal gangs that sell them to anyone, including terrorists and jihadists.

The question of how many advisors will be sent is still being decided but Pentagon sources told Politico that "up to 60" advisors will be sent.

Biden has promised that U.S. troops will not be in combat roles. We've heard that before. The temptation to assist Ukraine as they try to regain the initiative against Russian forces will be great.

Politico:

Ukraine has clamored for more artillery, air defenses, long-range missiles and fighter jets, which frontline troops and leading politicians insist would help the Ukrainians break through Russian lines and hold their positions.

The news that the U.S. is sending additional forces to Ukraine comes as senior officials warned last week that Russia has been gaining momentum.

CIA Director Bill Burns said Ukraine could lose the war this year if Congress didn’t approve the assistance package.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, speaking to lawmakers, said, “We’re already seeing things on the battlefield begin to shift a bit in Russia’s favor. We are seeing them make incremental gains. We’re seeing the Ukrainians be challenged in terms of holding the line.”


Any Russian gains are likely to increase as Moscow will intensify attacks before the bulk of the new tranche of U.S. weapons can reach the battlefield and make any kind of difference.

Business Insider:

The think tank the Institute for the Study of War said in an update on the conflict that Russia would now likely intensify its attacks on Ukraine in order to make the most of "abnormally dry spring ground conditions and persisting Ukrainian materiel shortages" ahead of the new package.

"The now expected arrival of US security assistance has likely emphasized these considerations for Russian forces," the report said. "The Russian military command will likely intensify offensive operations and missile and drone strikes to pursue operationally significant effects that will certainly become harder to achieve against well-provisioned Ukrainian forces."

It added that Russia will likely target areas where Ukraine's defenses seem relatively unstable or where they are close to achieving an "operationally significant objective," such as to the west of Avdiivka or near Chasiv Yar — both in the Donetsk region.


A realistic goal for Ukraine — and one that Biden should insist upon — is to stabilize the front lines in the East and look to win back territory in the North. At that point, Putin might be more open to some kind of deal.

Trump could negotiate such a deal once he's president.

If anything adverse should befall these unfortunate advisers, Joe will not be looking at his watch. He will be standing upright saluting their flag draped coffins.
b U.S. to Send 'Up to 60' More Military Advisors ... (show quote)


Isn't this how Vietnam started?

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Apr 22, 2024 16:20:33   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
dbirch wrote:
Isn't this how Vietnam started?


Yes.

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Apr 22, 2024 19:36:20   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
martsiva wrote:
Conspiracy theory?? He was going to pull us out of Viet Nam along with disbanding the CIA and the un-Constitutional Federal Reserve!! He was killed because of all 3 of these things he was going to do!!


There you go with the !! and ?? again... Why can't it just be a nut with a gun who had been brainwashed in Russia to take him out?

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Apr 22, 2024 20:13:55   #
dbirch
 
NotMAGA wrote:
There you go with the !! and ?? again... Why can't it just be a nut with a gun who had been brainwashed in Russia to take him out?


because as the theories you spout it is full of half truths and misdirection.

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Apr 23, 2024 10:18:53   #
martsiva
 
NotMAGA wrote:
There you go with the !! and ?? again... Why can't it just be a nut with a gun who had been brainwashed in Russia to take him out?


You totally avoided historical facts - AGAIN and came up with this ludicrous reply. Now YOU prove anything I stated was untrue. Tell us why your brainwashed in Russia gun nut would want to stop Kennedy from disbanding the CIA that was a mortal enemy of Russia. Tell us why pulling our troops out of Viet Nam was wrong when it was un-winnable war. Who profited from this war? Are you actually denying that the power brokers in the Federal Reserve or the CIA that Kennedy wanted to disband, had no motive to kill Kennedy?

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Apr 23, 2024 11:34:10   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
martsiva wrote:
You totally avoided historical facts - AGAIN and came up with this ludicrous reply. Now YOU prove anything I stated was untrue. Tell us why your brainwashed in Russia gun nut would want to stop Kennedy from disbanding the CIA that was a mortal enemy of Russia. Tell us why pulling our troops out of Viet Nam was wrong when it was un-winnable war. Who profited from this war? Are you actually denying that the power brokers in the Federal Reserve or the CIA that Kennedy wanted to disband, had no motive to kill Kennedy?
You totally avoided historical facts - AGAIN and c... (show quote)


You're talking about a 60 year old crime that was long ago investigated then investigated again. Show me where there has ever been any different conclusion reached other than that of the Warren Commission.
Lee Harvey Oswald was a nut job with a rifle who hated Kennedy. Hate is a powerful emotion that can drive mentally imbalanced people to do horrific things.
Do you think the Las Vegas shooting was some sort of conspiracy? No. It was committed by a hate-full person who wanted to make some sort of 'statement.'

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Apr 23, 2024 12:48:33   #
Justice101
 
NotMAGA wrote:
You're talking about a 60 year old crime that was long ago investigated then investigated again. Show me where there has ever been any different conclusion reached other than that of the Warren Commission.
Lee Harvey Oswald was a nut job with a rifle who hated Kennedy. Hate is a powerful emotion that can drive mentally imbalanced people to do horrific things.
Do you think the Las Vegas shooting was some sort of conspiracy? No. It was committed by a hate-full person who wanted to make some sort of 'statement.'
You're talking about a 60 year old crime that was ... (show quote)


You obviously don't have an inquiring mind or interest about the Kennedy assassination.
Not all of the files have been released and many of them are still redacted.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/biden-releases-jfk-assassination-records-rcna61286

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