PeterS

In Gettysburg Pa., this was one of Donald's more rambling speeches. For those who think he's losing it, this would be a good speech to turn to. For those who could give a fck, he's our man, piss off...this is a good speech period!

"Gettysburg, what an unbelievable battle that was," Trump said while addressing the crowd in the town and wearing a Make America Great Again hat. "It was so much, and so interesting, and so vicious and horrible, and so beautiful in so many different ways—it represented such a big portion of the success of this country," he continued.

"Gettysburg, wow—I go to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, to look and to watch," he said. "And the statement of Robert E. Lee, who's no longer in favor—did you ever notice it? He's no longer in favor. 'Never fight uphill, me boys, never fight uphill.' They were fighting uphill, he said, 'Wow, that was a big mistake,' he lost his big general. 'Never fight uphill, me boys,' but it was too late," Trump added.

And yes, Robert E Lee is no longer in favor. A great general yes, but a traitor to his country no less...much like all of the conservative South then and now!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-s-rambling-rally-speech-raises-questions/ar-BB1lASpJ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=f39d7a40491a4b11aa995c6b55b2e150&ei=37

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

Peter, I do not consider Robert E. Lee a traitor to his country. He was protecting the economic interest of the South (against Northern protectionist tariffs), and the issue of "states rights". Both Charles Adams and Thomas DiLorenzo have written books on these issues:

"The Civil War violently destroyed the decentralized federal system of the Founders and opened a way for the vast centralized empire of today. To legitimate this revolutionary change, Americans have taught that secession was unconstitutional; that the South seceded to protect slavery; and that the North invaded to emancipate slaves. Charles Adams, a northern historian, argues persuasively that these propositions are false. Adams claims that the war was about what most wars are fought over: control of territory, resources, and revenue.

This is a saying that history is written by the victor. That is especially true of the America Civil War. Most people believe the Civil War was fought over the issue of slavery.

The U.S. House of Representatives had passed the Morrill tariff in the 1859-1860 session, and the Senate passed it on March 2, 1861, two days before Lincoln’s inauguration. President James Buchanan, a Pennsylvanian who owed much of his own political success to Pennsylvania protectionists, signed it into law. The bill immediately raised the average tariff rate from about 15 percent (according to Frank Taussig in Tariff History of the United States) to 37.5 percent, but with a greatly expanded list of covered items. The tax burden would about triple. Soon thereafter, a second tariff increase would increase the average rate to 47.06 percent, Taussig writes.

So, Lincoln owed everything–his nomination and election–to Northern protectionists, especially the ones in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. He was expected to be the enforcer of the Morrill tariff. Understanding all too well that the South Carolina tariff nullifiers had foiled the last attempt to impose a draconian protectionist tariff on the nation by voting in political convention not to collect the 1828 “Tariff of Abominations,” Lincoln literally promised in his first inaugural address a military invasion if the new, tripled tariff rate was not collected.

At the time, Taussig says, the import-dependent South was paying as much as 80 percent of the tariff, while complaining bitterly that most of the revenues were being spent in the North. The South was being plundered by the tax system and wanted no more of it. Then along comes Lincoln and the Republicans, tripling (!) the rate of tariff taxation (before the war was an issue). Lincoln then threw down the gauntlet in his first inaugural: “The power confided in me,” he said, “will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property, and places belonging to the government, and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion–no using force against, or among the people anywhere” (emphasis added).

“We are going to make tax slaves out of you,” Lincoln was effectively saying, “and if you resist, there will be an invasion.” That was on March 4. Five weeks later, on April 12, Fort Sumter, a tariff collection point in Charleston Harbor, was bombarded by the Confederates. No one was hurt or killed, and Lincoln later revealed that he manipulated the Confederates into firing the first shot, which helped generate war fever in the North.
With slavery, Lincoln was conciliatory. In his first inaugural address, he said he had no intention of disturbing slavery, and he appealed to all his past speeches to any who may have doubted him. Even if he did, he said, it would be unconstitutional to do so.

But with the tariff it was different. He was not about to back down to the South Carolina tariff nullifiers, as Andrew Jackson had done, and was willing to launch an invasion that would ultimately cost the lives of 620,000 Americans to prove his point. Lincoln’s economic guru, Henry C. Carey, was quite prescient when he wrote to Congressman Justin S. Morrill in mid-1860 that “Nothing less than a dictator is required for making a really good tariff” (p. 614, “Abraham Lincoln and the Tariff“). Written by Thomas J. DiLorenzo and published by the Mises Institute ~ May 6, 200

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/02/thomas-dilorenzo/lincolns-tariff-war-march-2-1861/

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ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

Good to hear from you CD. Hope all is well and the beer is cold!

billy a Loc: South Florida

"...traitor to his country", " like most of the Conservative South then and NOW" ??
You are, politely, ignorant.
More than 70% of Florida residents are non-native. The majority are noo-yawk, california and jersey. Get your mind out of the 50's...
Many of these transplants have LEFT BEHIND the high-crime bed-pans of democrat "run" cities and are quietly changing parties, and more importantly, the way they THINK about this Country.
Living in "blue" cities is the uphill battle for decent Americans.
Sign me a Life-Long Southern Conservative. 🇺🇲