fullspinzoo

Adam Schitte is the worst. Time to get behind Mr. Good guy, the old first baseman for the Dodgers. Happens to be my old stomping grounds, beautiful downtown Burbank where I was born and my Dad had a business for over 40 years.

straightUp Loc: California

LOL - "How the clueless avoid an argument"

straightUp Loc: California

I know exactly what I am talking about and so far no one here has been able to prove otherwise.

straightUp Loc: California

More personal attacks, still no actual argument... You folks just can't do it.

straightUp Loc: California

OK... So finally someone decides to at least pretend to be intelligent. Let's see whacha got Sparky...


Yep, that there just proved my point! The very first sentence... "The apportionment calculation is based upon the total resident population"... I'll repeat it again...
Total - Resident - Population... Interesting how the census bureau emphasizes "(citizens AND noncitizens)" Obviously, they feel the need to make that clear and it's probably because they know so many Americans are clueless about this.


That has no bearing on my argument and BTW, many servicemen are non-citizens.



OK... So, what's with the basic introduction to the census? This might be new information to you but I already know all this. There's nothing in what you posted that actually proves anything I stated is untrue.

Do you simply not understand?

straightUp Loc: California

So far 13 reactions that prove people are pissed off but not educated enough to present an actual argument and one cut and paste from the census bureau that provides a basic introduction that only confirms my point about the census not being limited to citizens = a direct hit on the Republican efforts to stop counting non-citizens.

The sad thing is that you clowns are willing to support the Republican plan to take representation away from millions of hard working people simply because you're too stupid to know it's a violation of American values AND because you're so hung up on your hatred toward immigrants and Democrats that you don't care.

I'd say that pretty much sums it up.

American Vet

Your typical rant.

You stated: "One of the many things the right seems to be utterly clueless about is the fact that there are millions of people living in America as perfectly LEGAL residents who are not actually citizens."

You are simply creating a strawman - which is not avoiding the argument but pointing out your effort to deflect from the real issue.

The real issue is ILLEGAL ALIENS. It is obvious that the ELWNJs such as you in the democrat party are seeking to add them to the voters rolls by eventually giving the 'amnesty'.

straightUp Loc: California

I haven't heard that one, but it makes sense... When people arrive somewhere for their first time, it actually makes sense to call them "new comers" It's does NOT make sense to call them "illegals" because we have no laws that make it illegal to BE someone. Calling someone "illegal" because they broke a law by crossing the border without permission is like calling you an illegal person for rolling through a stop sign. Just because someone broke a law doesn't make him an illegal person. Hell, we don't even call people illegal when they've murdered someone.


I never actually said that, but I understand this is the tactic you dumbasses use when you have no clue about reality and still want to argue. You just make shit up. That's the entire MAGA movement in a nutshell.

BTW, the rights that citizens have that non-citizens don't have can be counted on one hand. They can vote, they can get U.S. passports and they can serve on jury duty. That's about it. Every other right guaranteed by our laws applies to citizens and non-citizens alike and that includes representation.


Say no to what, genius? It's the Republicans that are trying to change to rules here. The Democrats are simply blocking them from doing it. LOL

American Vet

Simply calling them what the government calls them.

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact,
8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

You do seem like the type who defends law-breakers.

Justice101

I know about the census, but your post didn't indicate that YOU knew much about it.
I also don't engage in your gish gallop fallacy of arguments.

The U.S. census also affects redistricting.

Redistricting refers to the process whereby states determine the geographical borders between districts represented by members of Congress and state representatives. When partisans control the redistricting process, they often gerrymander districts, which involves drawing district boundaries for maximum political advantage and power.

straightUp Loc: California

The government calls them undocumented immigrants. Not illegals. The only people that call them illegals are the scumbags that have NO clue about the laws and hate immigrants.


I'm very familiar with that law and it has no bearing on my argument. Again, you're shooting but missing the target by about 10 feet.


You can think what you want but so far, I have not said one thing to defend ANY lawbreakers. My focus has been on residents... (citizens and non-citizens). The only time I mentioned immigrants who are not here legally was when I was laughing at how you dopes think they would fill out a form to let the government know where they are.

LOL

American Vet

[quote=straightUp]American Vet wrote: Simply calling them what the government calls them.
The government calls them undocumented immigrants. Not illegals. The only people that call them illegals are the scumbags that have NO clue about the laws and hate immigrants.
Have someone read the US Code to you.

American Vet wrote: Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact,
8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien
I'm very familiar with that law and it has no bearing on my argument. Again, your shooting but missing the target by about 10 feet.
Quite to the contrary - I'm right on target.

American Vet wrote:You do seem like the type who defends law-breakers.
[i]You can think what you want but so far, I have not said one thing to defend ANY lawbreakers. My focus has been on residents... (citizens and non-citizens). The only time I mentioned immigrants who are not here legally was when I was laughing at how you dopes think they would fill out a form to let the government know where they are.
LOL[/quote]
Inane rant.

straightUp Loc: California

Maybe because I'm not providing a lecture on what the census is. My argument is about how the GOP is trying to stop counting non-citizens. I'm talking about how someone is driving a car off a bridge and you're trying to argue by pointing out that I didn't explain what a car is.


That's because I don't make gish gallop fallacy arguments. I make strong sensible arguments and you obvious ARE engaging. ;)


Very good! You deserve a smiley face :)

So now that you know the census affects redistricting maybe this part of my original argument might make a little more sense to you...

"So, why do Republican leaders keep trying? Again, it's quite simple... They know that the majority of the law-abiding residents live in urban districts, wherein citizens typically vote Democrat and that even though non-citizens can't actually vote, their numbers still contribute to the size of the district, which could lead to splitting one blue district into two blue districts."

So are you catching up now?

American Vet

Catching up?

LOL

I left you in the dust.

But do keep trying; it's good exercise for you.

straightUp Loc: California

LOL - So that's your answer? You can't find any proof that I'm wrong so your answer to tell me get someone to read the USC to me? LOL - That's hilarious!


No... you're not... You just quoted the law on what makes an entry into this country illegal. I'm not even talking about people who entered illegally. So yeah, 10 feet at least. You're really bad at this.


No, that's a solid point. I'm talking about the Republican effort to remove non-citizens who did NOT violate ANY part of 8 U.S. Code § 1325 and went through all the proper channels. I actually made that very clear. And you are trying to imply that I am defending law-breakers.

You're actually enforcing my point about how Republicans think anyone who isn't a citizen is illegal.