permafrost Loc: Minnesota

One of the few times I agree with my state senator Koran... a republican and outspoken..



Senate File 3868 would allow local cities and school districts to adopt Ranked Choice Voting.


If anyone wonders what RCV it speak up many of us can tell the pros and cons about it..

Larry Jacobs, a professor at the University of Minnesota’s Humphry School, did a comprehensive study of the issue. It found Ranked Choice Voting fails to meet any of the objectives that supporters claim. You can read the report here, but I’ll summarize the findings:



There is little research to support the claim that RCV decreases polarization. In reality, RCV increases animosity among Democrats and Republicans compared to our current system.


RCV may contribute to an increase in the number of minority candidates, but there is little evidence that they were more successful.


There is little research to support the claim that RCV increases engagement and turnout among voters of color. There is even some evidence RCV chases people of color away. Cities report errors, confusion, and lower turnout due to the greater complexity of RCV.
Most research found RCV had little to no impact on negative campaigning, or that it even increased negativity.


RCV does not live up to its promises. Rather than adopting reforms with a less than stellar track record, let’s focus on strengthening our current election system. There are a lot of things we can do to improve the security and integrity of our elections. Let’s start there.

XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon

There was an earlier topic on it. IMO it gives more space for moderates from both sides rather than extremists.

Michael Roy Loc: North of Amarillo

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permafrost Loc: Minnesota

That was one of the arguments which I used to once feel it was a good idea... Now I am in a mixed state.. but it seems the bill is not going to pass so I will sit back and watch.. but you reminded me that it does have merit..

Have to look for that other post also...

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon

So, do you think it's a good idea?

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Not long ago, I wanted it done locally and a couple of suburbs did so.. mixed reports from both of them and now do not know it it will be ongoing or given up... one city was Hopkins , west of MPLs.. do not recall the other..

Then I read the little pc I posted and thought to heck with it.. then I read your post and vacialated some more..

I think I would like to see it tryed a few more times.. see the results from more use of the method..

XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon

Ok I have not studied up much on it but at first thought I didn't like the idea. I met someone who was all for it and it changed my opinionat somewhat. Now I am neutral.

I still think whoever gets the top should win not because some more people threw someone in as second option.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

yes, that is also my view.. in the article I was trying to find, the ranking showed that one candidate could win the vote as we know it but lose due to 2nd and even 3ed place votes.. need to check just what that truly said.. not found it yet...

XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon

Ok hope you find it. I'm going to bed now.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

I am looking.. come back tomorrow..

XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon

Here are 2 I found. It leads me to believe it would work good in small and local elections.

https://time.com/5718941/ranked-choice-voting/

https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/ranked-choice-voting/

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

just can not find the article I wanted but think it was from the 2012 or so election.. not the election itself but the ranked choice...

Also this is a comment on the lastest 2023 vote in twin cities..

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/11/08/heres-where-minneapolis-and-st-paul-elections-stand-with-ranked-choice-voting?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAxOauBhCaARIsAEbUSQRYk50cWieMISYTIgtVgLLwFz7sAWIJzXyoS7XJrEUhJZS6MXZ9MDIaAi1OEALw_

Election 2023
Here's where Minneapolis and St. Paul elections stand with ranked choice voting
Kyre Johnson November 8, 2023 11:40 AM

In Ward 7, there were six candidates. Melo told MPR News that despite Cheniqua Johnson coming in first on election night with a little more than 41 percent of first-choice votes, she may lose as tabulation continues to second choice votes and beyond. There was about a 300-vote difference between Johnson and her closest competitor Pa Der Vang who neared 36 percent of first choice votes.

Shows I am far behind on news from the city, I thought the ranked voting was just a trial, this makes it seem the standard.

they will do as they wish, decided and is a done deal.. OK... Still has both pros and cons in my view but I am dropping the discussion.. We up in the north still vote the old fashioned way.. and I like it..

Thanks for the links you posted...

BigJim

RCV makes it harder for a third party to influence an election. If there had been RCV in the 1992 presidential race, George HW Bush would likely have won. Most of the Perot votes would have gone to him. If there was ranked choice in Georgia in 2020 Republicans would likely have won the two senate seats. They were leading in both but lacked a majority requiring a runoff. The Republican voters, dispirited by the presidential loss did not show up in enough strength.