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Jan 26, 2024 10:20:24   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Oh, I absolutely agfRee! But even non-conservative Republicans would fight such a plan. Flat taxes with NO loopholes or deductions? Even the rare HONEST Congress critter just LOOOOOOVES to play the 'social engineering' game. Let's boost home sales by giving home owners a deduction. Then lets boost the child birth rate. Then we will encourage oil drilling, then we'll discourage it. NONE of them will willingly give up that power. So we will have to make them.
The immutable laws of supply and demand should be the rule. Other laws should ONLY apply for safety and the environment.
Oh, I absolutely agfRee! But even non-conservativ... (show quote)


OOPS! Thick Thump Typoman strikes again.

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Jan 26, 2024 12:55:25   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
None of the above -- Medicare for all regardless of their economic situation .



You would unleash a tsunami of demand that would overwhelm the system. ERs would be backed up with children with colic and sniffles.

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Jan 26, 2024 12:57:41   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
You would unleash a tsunami of demand that would overwhelm the system. ERs would be backed up with children with colic and sniffles.


Build more hospitals -train more doctors. why not ?

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Jan 26, 2024 13:26:41   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
You would unleash a tsunami of demand that would overwhelm the system. ERs would be backed up with children with colic and sniffles.


Thus the advantage of MY plan. The customer WILL eventually have to pay it back.....unless they purchase insurance.

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Jan 26, 2024 13:56:18   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
None of the above -- Medicare for all regardless of their economic situation .


Coos Bay Tom, Your asking too much. You actually want this country to handle health care like the rest of the civilized world?

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Jan 26, 2024 14:18:08   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Coos Bay Tom, Your asking too much. You actually want this country to handle health care like the rest of the civilized world?


Yeah it is the right thing to do but the lesser children of God deserve only scorn-leeches that they are .

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Jan 26, 2024 14:34:16   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Yeah it is the right thing to do but the lesser children of God deserve only scorn-leeches that they are .


That's not it, Tom. The 'rest of the civilized world' gets only the care that a committee of bureaucrats decide that they need, and then they do a cost analysis considering the patients age and general health. THEN they schedule it for when and where it is convenient. "Yes, Mr. Smith. We have approved your MRI. Sorry it took three months, but the paperwork must be done, as we say. Now, you have two choices: You can get one in four months for $300 dollars and 1500 miles away, or one for only 700 miles away and at zero cost but you will have to wait 18 months. Which do you prefer?"
I had an MRI last year. 30 miles from my home and at a cost (to me) of $400.00.
Our way is broken, and needs fixing, but it is better than the 'rest of the civilized world'.

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Jan 26, 2024 15:05:55   #
pegw
 
This is what I would do. Look at other countries, like Canada, which regulate prices that can be charged for services and drugs. I recently paid, and I am not making this up, $950 for a screw holding on a tooth that is an implant. When I was in Ireland this fall, I asked a dentist how much an implant would cost. Their answer was between 500 and 1,000 Euros, about 10% of what I was charged. I also paid $1500 for a lens implant that corrected my vision. It wasn't much different than a contact lens. We are being soaked by medical costs, and nobody is doing anything about this.

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Jan 26, 2024 15:06:22   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
RandyBrian wrote:
That's not it, Tom. The 'rest of the civilized world' gets only the care that a committee of bureaucrats decide that they need, and then they do a cost analysis considering the patients age and general health. THEN they schedule it for when and where it is convenient. "Yes, Mr. Smith. We have approved your MRI. Sorry it took three months, but the paperwork must be done, as we say. Now, you have two choices: You can get one in four months for $300 dollars and 1500 miles away, or one for only 700 miles away and at zero cost but you will have to wait 18 months. Which do you prefer?"
I had an MRI last year. 30 miles from my home and at a cost (to me) of $400.00.
Our way is broken, and needs fixing, but it is better than the 'rest of the civilized world'.
That's not it, Tom. The 'rest of the civilized wo... (show quote)


I had a friend from Germany tell me that after WW2 he had tuberculosis and Germany paid for all of his medical care and housing while he was recovering and even gave him a small pension during his recovery . He told me something that I'll never forget "Remember Germany lost the war " .

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Jan 26, 2024 18:18:17   #
dbirch
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
None of the above -- Medicare for all regardless of their economic situation .


How about open competition.

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Jan 26, 2024 20:09:06   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
dbirch wrote:
How about open competition.


Where all insurance companies can compete in a state where only a few option are allowed like it is now ? Yes great idea

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Jan 26, 2024 20:54:55   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
dbirch wrote:
How about open competition.


Yep, open competition wins with me. Here is a good example below that is NOT insurance. ATLAS MD could be financed through Health Savings Accounts or out of pocket. We already have SSI and Medicaid as a safety net to help any citizen in financial crisis:

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Nursing home and home-bound patients, call for details

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Jan 26, 2024 21:41:49   #
Bassman65
 
RandyBrian wrote:
None of the above. My solution would have to come in two parts:
The first step is a federal flat tax across the board, and limiting the government to ONLY using THAT income for government operation. Any necessary taxes needed for other purposes, such as tariffs, fines, and other such, would go to paying down the national debt. The federal government would NO LONGER be allowed to borrow money.
The second part would be the government pays ALL medical and medicine bills for American citizens AS A LONG term low interest loan. DOCTORS would make the decisions, the government would pay immediately, the patient would pay the government back, but would also have the right to buy medical insurance in a free market to help with repaying the government. The IRS would shift from a tax collection agency to primarily a medical bill collection agency.
Details matter, and would have to be worked out.
None of the above. My solution would have to come... (show quote)

That sounds very interesting

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Jan 26, 2024 21:43:14   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Bassman65 wrote:
That sounds very interesting


I like what Randy proposed

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Jan 27, 2024 07:13:35   #
Capt-jack Loc: Home
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Really, how would you drop the cost of healthcare?

1) Do what Stalin did, pluck off the feathers of a little sparrow in his hand until it shivered in the cold, demanding socialized medicine?

2) Pass Obamacare, Speaker Nancy Pelosi's 2,700 page bill that nobody read making healthcare Affordable, Affordable, Affordable? (It's not too affordable right now, is it?)

3) Quarantine citizens state by state and let their Legislature choose an insurance policy for them under the 1945 McCarren-Ferguson Act?

4) Overturn the McCarren-Ferguson Act and foment interstate commerce across all 50 state lines to facilitate competition and the purchasing of any variety of health insurance desired?

5) Open up Health Savings Accounts for all citizens to return cost and quality control to the consumer?

Just curious. What would you do?
Really, how would you drop the cost of healthcare?... (show quote)


What would I do?

Start by tossing out 40,000,000 illegals. That may be the total fix!

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