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Oct 30, 2023 09:15:49   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
CR, the information I post is easily verifiable history, and verifiable facts. In my personal library. there are 50+ books on Islam's foundation, and history.

If you're unfamiliar with the history of Islam, this is the age of the search engine. Google it.

Harry Saint John Bridger Philby, also known as Jack Philby or Sheikh Abdullah (born April 3, 1885, Saint Johns, Badula, Ceylon [now Sri Lanka] - died September 30, 1960, Beirut, Lebanon), was a British Arabist, adviser, explorer, writer, and a colonial intelligence officer who served as an advisor to King Abdulaziz ibn Saud, the founder of Saudi Arabia. He converted to Islam in 1930.

He was the first European to cross the Rubʿ al-Khali, or Empty Quarter, of Arabia, which is uninhabited, desolate desert, from east to west. Jack Philby succeeded T.E. Lawrence as the chief British representative in Transjordan (1921-24).

I read his story forty+ years ago, during the 1980s, also "The Kingdom of Saud."

Propaganda is not something I would touch or even consider, - to what possible end?

Would you please elaborate on those thee caliphs hundreds of years apart?

CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Zemirah, your post above is a mixture of fact and propaganda, without listing sources. Why on earth are you championing colonialism of the same British empire we Americans freed ourselves from in 1776?

First, to answer your question, I have read a contemporary Koran, remember, there were three caliphs separated by hundreds of years. Try some insight to modern Turkish Sufism.

The Sufi Book of Life: 99 Pathways of the Heart for the Modern Dervish Paperback – February 22, 2005
by Neil Douglas-Klotz (Author)
https://www.amazon.com/Sufi-Book-Life-Pathways-Dervish/dp/0142196355/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2BXMQ6Z5P91B6&keywords=sufi+quran&qid=1698630616&s=books&sprefix=sufi+quoran%2Cstripbooks%2C163&sr=1-1
Part meditation book, part oracle, and part collection of Sufi lore, poetry, and stories, The Sufi Book of Life offers a fresh interpretation of the fundamental spiritual practice found in all ancient and modern Sufi schools—the meditations on the 99 Qualities of Unity. Unlike most books on Sufism, which are primarily collections of translated Sufi texts, this accessible guide is a handbook that explains how to apply Sufi principles to modern life. With inspirational commentary that connects each quality with contemporary concerns such as love, work, and success, as well as timeless wisdom from Sufi masters, both ancient and modern, such as Rumi, Hafiz, Shabistari, Rabia, Inayat Khan, Indries Shah, Irina Tweedie, Bawa Muhaiyadden, and more, The Sufi Book of Life is a dervish guide to life and love for the twenty-first century.
On the web: http://sufibookoflife.com

You are wrong about the Wahhabi attributing them to the faith of Ibin Saud. He was not a Wahhabi, who were backed by the communist of the Soviet Union (atheist), Jack Philby of Arabia and Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany who were using the Sykes Picot Treaty to prove the Brits had broken their promise of Arab independence.

Ibin Saud was a Suni Muslim. Jack Philby converted to Wahhabi Islam until Ibin Saud recognized him as a fraud and threw him out of Arabia.

You can't always rely on reading wikipedia as a source of information. There were two Muslim Muftis of Jerusalem, courted by Hitler who were following the anti-crusaders' caliph. Please take a look at this history further in a book by Rabbi David Dalin, Jewish underground operator of WW2:

Icon of Evil: Hitler's Mufti and the Rise of Radical Islam Hardcover – June 24, 2008
by David G. Dalin (Author), John F. Rothmann (Author)
https://www.amazon.com/Icon-Evil-Hitlers-Mufti-Radical/dp/1400066530/ref=sr_1_3?crid=OPLSB2NB51KI&keywords=David+Dalin&qid=1698632419&s=books&sprefix=david+dalin%2Cstripbooks%2C187&sr=1-3

There is much more on the history of these phony fundamentalists in the Interagency Working Group declassified records on WW2 in the Library of Congress.
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Oct 30, 2023 11:28:59   #
pegw
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Hello Stupid Newsmax,
There are over 2 billion Muslims on earth.

Amongst that 2 billion, only 15% are Arabs (the rest are Malaysians, Indonesians, Russians, Uyghurs of China, Black Africans, and Americans.

Amongst the Arabs are only 2% Wahhabi terrorists including Osama Bin Laden's al Queda whom our CIA hired!

Jack Philby of Arabia organized the Hashemite tribe of Ibin Saud to fight the Hashemite King Hussein (and 3 sons,
Feisel, Abdul, and Ziad), the British ally who threw out the Ottoman Empire of Turkey (Germany's ally during World War One). Jack Philby of Arabia was a communist and the father of British MI6 Mole, Kim Philby.

MI6 Director, Roger Hollis sent the 3 Cambridge spies, Philby, McClean and Burgess to our CIA as directors of Project Paperclip, importing 1,600 Nazis to staff our universities, Defense Department and Health Department.

Communism's biggest enemy is not NATO, it is ALL religions, especially the 3 Children of Abraham: Judaism, Christianity, and Muslims. Out of 40 nations with Muslims, President Trump only put 8 nations on the terrorist watch list.

For God's sake, do not lump all Muslims into the same ball park as terrorists. How can Newsmax be so stupid aiding communist China. Commies love to divide and conquer.

There is no excuse for Newsmax who is aiding and abetting the enemy!
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It's because Newsmax is a far right news source with a low degree of credibility according to AllSides, and Media Bias, which are fact checking organizations. Politifax puts half of their articles as mostly true, and the other half as mostly false. Not too good if you want the truth.
Newsmax is in racist territory calling Muslims terrorists.

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Oct 30, 2023 12:22:21   #
Navigator
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Six million people could make up a simple city anywhere in the world. Half of them live in Iran and Lebanon and the rest in Gaza and Afghanistan amongst the other Pashtun Taliban under Sadique Mateen, a communist financed and trained in Sandiego by Hillary Clinton and the CIA. Omar Mateen, Sadique Mateen's son, attacked the gay Pulse Night Club in Orlando Florida. Our abandoned military arms in Afghanistan made it to HAMAS in Gaza. Biden is arming all sides.

Certainly, out of the 40 nations with Muslims, you would not lump these phony fundamentalists together with the faithful? This would be like calling all Christians as followers of David Koresh or the Reverend Jim Jones. Please don't drink the Kool Aide, Navigator.

There is nothing more that communist nations, like Red China with its Uyghurs seeking independence want than to pit the 3 Children of Abraham against each-other to mock all religion. Don't help the communists.
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I was not addressing any philosophical argument. I accepted as fact Radar O'Reilly's percentage of Wahhabi terrorists as being valid and was merely converting that to an absolute number of six million Wahhabi terrorists. If those percentages are in fact true, our current mobile world and porous borders would certainly make six million a number about which we should all be concerned.

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Oct 31, 2023 04:47:58   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
CR, Abraham had eight sons. To which of Abraham's three children are you referring?

Abraham’s first son was Ishmael through Hagar, his wife’s Egyptian maid (Genesis 16:1–4).

Abraham’s second son was Isaac through Sarah, his wife (Genesis 21:1–3). Isaac was the son of promise, the son God had promised Abraham (Genesis 15:4–5).

Following Sarah's death, Abraham had six sons through Keturah, another concubine: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah (Genesis 25:1, 6).



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There are currently 47 sovereign Muslim-majority countries in the world, not 40 as you state... though the precise number differs slightly depending upon the source. Some sources include various regions such as Western Sahara or Palestine, which are territories, not countries.

A Muslim-majority country is one in which more than 50% of the people are Muslims.

Muslims are followers of the Islamic faith that began in the 7th century A.D., commonly claimed to have been created in the city of Mecca, in modern-day Saudi Arabia. Most Muslims today live in North and Central Africa, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia.

The more fundamentalist [Jihadist], a muslim is, the truer to Muhammad's teachings he is, the closer to the Qur'an he is, the better an adherent of historic Islam he is. The life of Muhammad is their example in every aspect of life.

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CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Six million people could make up a simple city anywhere in the world. Half of them live in Iran and Lebanon and the rest in Gaza and Afghanistan amongst the other Pashtun Taliban under Sadique Mateen, a communist financed and trained in Sandiego by Hillary Clinton and the CIA. Omar Mateen, Sadique Mateen's son, attacked the gay Pulse Night Club in Orlando Florida. Our abandoned military arms in Afghanistan made it to HAMAS in Gaza. Biden is arming all sides.

Certainly, out of the 40 nations with Muslims, you would not lump these phony fundamentalists together with the faithful? This would be like calling all Christians as followers of David Koresh or the Reverend Jim Jones. Please don't drink the Kool Aide, Navigator.

There is nothing more that communist nations, like Red China with its Uyghurs seeking independence want than to pit the 3 Children of Abraham against each-other to mock all religion. Don't help the communists.
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Oct 31, 2023 09:19:44   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
pegw wrote:
It's because Newsmax is a far right news source with a low degree of credibility according to AllSides, and Media Bias, which are fact checking organizations. Politifax puts half of their articles as mostly true, and the other half as mostly false. Not too good if you want the truth.
Newsmax is in racist territory calling Muslims terrorists.


This famous statement of Muhammad: “I have been made victorious with terror” is in The Hadith, collected by Bukhari (4.52.220). It goes as follows:

Allah's Apostle [Muhammad] said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."

Abu Huraira added: "Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures."

Every Muslim has the potential of becoming a terrorist because their Qur'an commands it, Allah commanded it, and Muhammad lived it.

Muhammad taught that it was necessary to use terrorism and Jihad to conquer the world for Islam.

You cannot associate racism with disapproving of Islam. That's ridiculous because Muslims are not of any one race. There are Muslims of every race upon this earth.

Educate yourself.

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Oct 31, 2023 14:25:56   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Zemirah wrote:
CR, the information I post is easily verifiable history, and verifiable facts. In my personal library. there are 50+ books on Islam's foundation, and history.

If you're unfamiliar with the history of Islam, this is the age of the search engine. Google it.

Harry Saint John Bridger Philby, also known as Jack Philby or Sheikh Abdullah (born April 3, 1885, Saint Johns, Badula, Ceylon [now Sri Lanka] - died September 30, 1960, Beirut, Lebanon), was a British Arabist, adviser, explorer, writer, and a colonial intelligence officer who served as an advisor to King Abdulaziz ibn Saud, the founder of Saudi Arabia. He converted to Islam in 1930.

He was the first European to cross the Rubʿ al-Khali, or Empty Quarter, of Arabia, which is uninhabited, desolate desert, from east to west. Jack Philby succeeded T.E. Lawrence as the chief British representative in Transjordan (1921-24).

I read his story forty+ years ago, during the 1980s, also "The Kingdom of Saud."

Propaganda is not something I would touch or even consider, - to what possible end?

Would you please elaborate on those three caliphs hundreds of years apart?
CR, the information I post is easily verifiable hi... (show quote)


I notice you cite no sources for your post above and much of it is flat out wrong.
You look up the three different caliphs and post the source here. Start with the Sufi's.

Apparently you did not look up my previous source which would have answered your question about my sources:

"German Intelligence Activities in the Near East and Related Areas”
NNS 851059, ZA022138, BOX 40 Declassified in 2008

Here is a CIA version on the web. It is 336 pages long, get busy:

STUDY OF GERMAN INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES IN THE NEAR EAST AND RELTED AREAS PRIOR TO AND DURING WORLD WAR II
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP81-01043R003500080004-7.pdf
Inter-agency Working Group files at Library of Congress:
IWG files at NA College Park [Inter-agency Working Group]

TABLE OF CONTENTS
1. INTRODUCTION
A. General
B. GIS Influence in the Near East During World War I
C. GIS Policy Aims in the Near East and Related Areas
D. GIS Relations in the Near East with other Axis Intelligence Services
E. Personal Relationships Affecting F.S. Activities

II. COUNTRY SURVEYS
A. Afghanistan
B. Arab Peninsula
C. Egypt
D. India
E. Iran
F. Iraq
G. North Africa
H. Palestine and Transjordan
I. Syria and Lebanon
J. Turkey

III. COMMUNIST AND R.S ACTIVITIES IN THE NEAR EAST

A. Pre-World War ... Activities
B. World War -- Developments

IV. APPENDIX

A. Persons Connected with G.S Activities. Whose Country of Origin was not indicated
B. Moslem Leaders from Balkan Countries in Contact with pro-German Arab Nationalists
C. Persons Engaged in Intelligence Activities for Intelligence Services other than the G.S.
D. German Nationals Connected with G.S. Activities in the Near East and Related Areas
E. Chart of G.S. Network in the Near East, 194? - 1943
F. Chart of the GFM Organization and the Indian National Revolutionary Committee
****************************************************

It is interesting that the "Near East" nations of Muslims who had been starved to death in Stalin's purges, first looked to Hitler for help but most Arabs soon found Hitler was closer to the Soviet's NKVD Berria secretly testing weapons at the Tomka Proving Grounds, killing Kazakans, and joined the British, as did the Shaw of Iran. Berria gassed his own Muslim troops to death when fighting the Nazis at Ordzhonikidze. Source: "The German Generals Talk" by Liddell Hart.

German Intelligence officers of Canaris, Groppa and Oppenheim of the GFM and GIS respectively, were in such disarray that the 2 Muftis (socialists) of Jerusalem were persecuted by armed Arabs that they then took refuge in Germany. The German man of mystery is Admiral Canaris who served both Kaiser Wilhelm and Hitler.

When you speak with such an air of arrogance such blatant falsehood to champion socialists/communists like Jack Philby, it is very troublesome. For a clearer picture of his TREASONOUS operations in the Middle East, read:

"Lawrence of Arabia: The Authorized Biography of T. E. Lawrence" by Jeremy Wilson, the unabridged version. Go to the Sykes Picot Treaty and Jack Philby. During WW 1, the Ottoman Empire partnered with Germany and the Bolsheviks. Kaiser Wilhelm financed the Bolshevik Revolution.

Winston Churchill returned with Lawrence to the Middle East after the Treaty of Versailles to help oust the French from the Levant, installing the Hashemites and negotiating borders with Ibin Saud over Medina and Mecca in Arabia for the Hadj. Palestine remained a British protectorate until the UN created Israel in 1947. This is public knowledge.

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Oct 31, 2023 14:34:32   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
I notice you cite no sources for your post above and much of it is flat out wrong.
You look up the three different caliphs and post the source here. Start with the Sufi's.

Apparently you did not look up my previous source which would have answered your question about my sources:

"German Intelligence Activities in the Near East and Related Areas”
NNS 851059, ZA022138, BOX 40 Declassified in 2008

Here is a CIA version on the web. It is 336 pages long, get busy:

STUDY OF GERMAN INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES IN THE NEAR EAST AND RELTED AREAS PRIOR TO AND DURING WORLD WAR II
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP81-01043R003500080004-7.pdf
Inter-agency Working Group files at Library of Congress:
IWG files at NA College Park [Inter-agency Working Group]

TABLE OF CONTENTS
1. INTRODUCTION
A. General
B. GIS Influence in the Near East During World War I
C. GIS Policy Aims in the Near East and Related Areas
D. GIS Relations in the Near East with other Axis Intelligence Services
E. Personal Relationships Affecting F.S. Activities

II. COUNTRY SURVEYS
A. Afghanistan
B. Arab Peninsula
C. Egypt
D. India
E. Iran
F. Iraq
G. North Africa
H. Palestine and Transjordan
I. Syria and Lebanon
J. Turkey

III. COMMUNIST AND R.S ACTIVITIES IN THE NEAR EAST

A. Pre-World War ... Activities
B. World War -- Developments

IV. APPENDIX

A. Persons Connected with G.S Activities. Whose Country of Origin was not indicated
B. Moslem Leaders from Balkan Countries in Contact with pro-German Arab Nationalists
C. Persons Engaged in Intelligence Activities for Intelligence Services other than the G.S.
D. German Nationals Connected with G.S. Activities in the Near East and Related Areas
E. Chart of G.S. Network in the Near East, 194? - 1943
F. Chart of the GFM Organization and the Indian National Revolutionary Committee
****************************************************

It is interesting that the "Near East" nations of Muslims who had been starved to death in Stalin's purges, first looked to Hitler for help but most Arabs soon found Hitler was closer to the Soviet's NKVD Berria secretly testing weapons at the Tomka Proving Grounds, killing Kazakans, and joined the British, as did the Shaw of Iran. Berria gassed his own Muslim troops to death when fighting the Nazis at Ordzhonikidze. Source: "The German Generals Talk" by Liddell Hart.

German Intelligence officers of Canaris, Groppa and Oppenheim of the GFM and GIS respectively, were in such disarray that the 2 Muftis (socialists) of Jerusalem were persecuted by armed Arabs that they then took refuge in Germany. The German man of mystery is Admiral Canaris who served both Kaiser Wilhelm and Hitler.

When you speak with such an air of arrogance such blatant falsehood to champion socialists/communists like Jack Philby, it is very troublesome. For a clearer picture of his TREASONOUS operations in the Middle East, read:

"Lawrence of Arabia: The Authorized Biography of T. E. Lawrence" by Jeremy Wilson, the unabridged version. Go to the Sykes Picot Treaty and Jack Philby. During WW 1, the Ottoman Empire partnered with Germany and the Bolsheviks. Kaiser Wilhelm financed the Bolshevik Revolution.

Winston Churchill returned with Lawrence to the Middle East after the Treaty of Versailles to help oust the French from the Levant, installing the Hashemites and negotiating borders with Ibin Saud over Medina and Mecca in Arabia for the Hadj. Palestine remained a British protectorate until the UN created Israel in 1947. This is public knowledge.
I notice you cite no sources for your post above a... (show quote)


Keep in mind that Muhamad was known as a peacemaker, not a warrior, a wealthy businessman who studied the Torah for Jewish law, Christianity for charity, and settled disputes amongst his peers during the aftermath of Krakatoa's volcanic eruption 536 AD that laid famine across the Eurasian continent for a hundred years.

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Oct 31, 2023 14:41:44   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
A moderate Muslim will hold your feet while the extremist lips off ur head


Many Muslims fled Iran after Khomeini was installed by President Jimmy Carter.

I have worked with a good number of these American citizens who love this country and I will vouch for their patriotism, far deeper than half the libtards who post of OPP.

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Oct 31, 2023 17:37:10   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Lets take a look at the history of Islam's many caliphs.

Sunni Islam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunni_Islam
"Sunni Islam (/ˈsuːni, ˈsʊni/) is the largest branch of Islam, followed by 85–90% of the world's Muslims, and simultaneously the largest religious denomination in the world. Its name comes from the word Sunnah, referring to the tradition of Muhammad.[1][2] The differences between Sunni and Shia Muslims arose from a disagreement over the succession to Muhammad and subsequently acquired broader political significance, as well as theological and juridical dimensions.[3] According to Sunni traditions, Muhammad left no successor and the participants of the Saqifah event appointed Abu Bakr as the next-in-line (the first caliph).[3][4][5] This contrasts with the Shia view, which holds that Muhammad appointed his son-in-law and cousin Ali ibn Abi Talib as his successor.[6]...
""Sunni State institutions
"Another body that claims to speak on behalf of Sunnism is the Council of Senior Religious Scholars founded in Saudi Arabia in 1971. In the past, the committee has expressed several times on fatwas about the Sunni-membership of certain Islamic groups within. In 1986 it published a fatwa excluding the Ahbāsh community from Sunnism.[209] The Islamic World League in Mecca, also funded by Saudi Arabia, made a resolution from 1987 that it regards Sunnism as the pure teachings at the time of the Messenger and the rightful existence of the Caliphate.


List of Caliphs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_caliphs
A caliph is the supreme religious and political leader of an Islamic state known as the caliphate.[1][2] Caliphs led the Muslim Ummah as political successors to the Islamic prophet Muhammad,[3] and widely-recognised caliphates have existed in various forms for most of Islamic history.[4] footnote: Ekinci, Ekrem Buğra (2017-03-03). "The rise and fall of the Islamic caliphate in history". Daily Sabah. Retrieved 2023-04-06.
"The first caliphate, the Rashidun Caliphate, was ruled by the four Rashidun caliphs (Arabic: الخلفاء الراشدون, lit. 'Rightly Guided Caliphs'), Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali, who are considered by Sunni Muslims to have been the most virtuous and pure caliphs. They were chosen by popular acclamation or by a small committee, in contrast with the following caliphates, which were mostly hereditary.[5] On the other hand, Shiites only recognise Ali and consider the first three caliphs to be usurpers.

"The Rashidun caliphate ended with the First Fitna, which transferred authority to the Umayyad dynasty that presided over the Umayyad Caliphate, the largest caliphate and the last one to actively rule the entire Muslim world.[6]

"Abbassid Caliphate was initially strong and united, but gradually fractured into several states whose rulers only paid lip service to the caliph in Baghdad. There were also rivals to the Abbasids who claimed the caliphates for themselves, such as the Isma'ili Shia Fatimids, the Sunni Ummayyads in Córdoba and the Almohads, who followed their own doctrine. When Baghdad fell to the Mongols, the Abbassid family relocated to Cairo, where they continued to claim caliphal authority but had no political power, and actual authority was in the hands of the Mamluk Sultanate.

"caliphate to the Ottoman Sultan Selim I. The caliphate then remained in the House of Osman until after the First world war. The Ottoman Sultanate was abolished in 1922 by the Grand National Assembly of Turkey. The head of the House of Osman, Abdulmejid II, retained the title of caliph for two more years, after which the caliphate was abolished in 1924.

"Rashidun Caliphate (632–661)
Hasan ibn Ali's Caliphate (661)
Umayyad Caliphate (661–750)
AMamluk Abbasid dynasty (1261–1517)bbasid Caliphate (750–1258)
Ottoman Caliphate (1517–1924)
...The head of the Ottoman dynasty was just entitled Sultan originally, but soon it started accumulating titles assumed from subjected peoples.[10][11] Murad I (reigned 1362–1389) was the first Ottoman claimant to the title of Caliph; claimed the title after conquering Edirne.[12]

"Other caliphates
Abd Allah ibn al-Zubayr's Caliphate (684–692)
Talib al-Haqq (747–748)
Fatimid Caliphate (909–1171)
Caliphate of Córdoba (929–1031)
Almohad Caliphate (1145–1269)
Bornu and Songhai Empires (15th/16th century)
Indian caliphates (late medieval/early modern)
Sokoto Caliphate (1804–1903)

"... [[In typical socialist bias, wikipedia makes NO MENTION of Saudi Arabia abandoning the caliphs of the Wahhabi and militant Salafi and accepting the Sunnis caliphs. The list above I copied from wikipedia is not complete, but enormous, the series of caliphs that skirted the true Sunni caliph closest to Muhammed's teachings. Pull up the entire article. It is raw Machiavellian politics.]]

"Ibn Saud positioned Saudi Arabia as neutral in World War II, but was generally considered to favor the Allies.[57] However, in 1938, when an attack on a main British pipeline in the Kingdom of Iraq was found to be connected to the German Ambassador, Fritz Grobba, Ibn Saud provided Grobba with refuge.[58] It was reported that he had been disfavoring the British as of 1937.

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Oct 31, 2023 22:59:59   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Zemirah wrote:
CR, where you see the return of colonialism, I see the fulfillment of God's Bible Prophecy.

The Sufis, who are 5% of the world's Islamic population, have no Qur'an of their own, they would be stoned if they dared to attempt to change the words of the Qur'an.

What they do have are books of erotic poetry, which they attribute to their impassioned mystical experiences of melding with the Divine, - lacking the spiritual discernment to recognize Satan's deceiving "angels of light."

https://shepherd.com/bookshelf/sufism

I see your references, as trite, silly, and immaterial to the threat of violence the civilized world continuously faces from all those millions of Muslims whom the Qur'an instructs to murder all kafir/kafirit [infidels] who fail to convert [submit] to Islam.

The divide between Sunnis and Shia is the largest and oldest schism in the history of Islam. The name "Sunni" is derived from the phrase "Ahl al-Sunnah", or "People of the Tradition," referring to practices [traditions] based on the Prophet Muhammad's words and actions, - what he said, did, agreed to or condemned.

Sunnis regard themselves as the orthodox branch of Islam. All Muslims are guided by the Sunnah, because without it, the Qur'an has no context, and makes no sense, but the Shia are also guided by the "wisdom" of Muhammad's descendants through his son-in-law and cousin, Ali.

The great majority of the world's 1.5+ billion Muslims are Sunnis - between 85% and 90%. In the Middle East, Sunnis make up 90% or more of the populations of Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

Shia constitute about 10% of all Muslims, and globally their population is estimated at between 154 and 200 million.Shia Muslims are in the majority in Iran, Iraq, Bahrain, Azerbaijan and, according to some estimates, Yemen. There are also large Shia communities in Afghanistan, India, Kuwait, Lebanon, Pakistan, Qatar, Syria, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

In early Islamic history, the Shia were a movement - literally "Shiat Ali" or the "Party of Ali." They claimed that Ali was the rightful successor to the Prophet Muhammad as leader (imam) of the Muslim community following his death in 632 A.D.

Ali was assassinated in 661 A.D. after a five-year caliphate that was marred by civil war. His sons, Hassan and Hussein, were denied what they thought was their legitimate right of accession to the caliphate.

Hassan was poisoned in 680 by Muawiyah, the first caliph of the Sunni Umayyad dynasty, while Hussein was killed on the battlefield by the Umayyads in 681. These events gave rise to the primacy of the Shia concept of martyrdom and their rituals of grieving.

Members of the two sects have co-existed for centuries and share many fundamental beliefs and practices. But they differ in doctrine, ritual, law, theology and religious organization.

Their leaders also compete from Lebanon and Syria to Iraq and Pakistan, many conflicts consistently emphasize this sectarian divide, communities are terrorized, and murdered. It id the fruit of Islam.

There are three main branches of Shia Islam today - the Zaidis, Ismailis and Ithna Asharis (Twelvers or Imamis). The Ithna Asharis are the largest Shia group and believe that Muhammad's religious leadership, spiritual authority and divine guidance were passed on to 12 of his descendants, beginning with Ali, Hassan and Hussein.

The 12th Imam, Muhammad al-Mahdi, is believed to have disappeared from a cave below a mosque in 878 A.D. Ithna Asharis [the Twelvers], - who rule Iran, believe the so-called awaited imam or "Madhi" did not die and will crawl out of the well at the end time, to restore justice upon the earth.

Sufism is a mystical and ascetic form of Islam, known as "Tasawwuf" in the Muslim world, in the West it is often erroneously thought of as a separate sect.

Adherents of Sufism follow the five pillars of Islam just as other practicing Muslims. They declare faith in one god, Allah, and Muhammad as his messenger, pray five times a day, give to charity, fast and perform the pagan Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, as does all of Islam.

Sufism is more prominent among Sunnis, but there are also Shiite Sufi orders, or "tariqa."
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In contemporary terms, the Difference between the 90% Muslim Sunnis and the lesser numbers of Shiites is free market capitalism and centralized planned socialist welfare states.

How to hijack a religion was studied by anthropologist Dmitri Boris Shimkin, a War Department MID analyst (Military Intelligence Division) during WW2 and a communist immigrant of the 1930s who moved to the States with his mother and brother Dr. Michael Boris Shimkin, a cancer expert tied to the American-Soviet Medical Exchange with our Surgeon General Dr. Thomas Parran (human Tuskegee experiments), and with Dr. Julius Hammer (Armand Hammer's father) and founder of AMTORG Trading Company (the American-Russian Trade Organization) organized by the NKVD in NYC.

Anthropologists Dmitri Shimkin specialized in how the Islamic nations could be acclimated to Socialism and Communism, the Shiites fit the bill. Socialist-Communist control over the mixed races. Just what the German BND ordered.

Demitri B. Shimkin Papers, 1935-1993 | University of Illinois Archives
https://archon.library.illinois.edu/archives/index.php?p=collections/controlcard&id=2440

Demitri Shimkin, 76, An Anthropologist New York Times Obituary
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/12/25/obituaries/demitri-shimkin-76-an-anthropologist.html
"Demitri Boris Shimkin, professor emeritus of anthropology at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, died Tuesday at the Carle Foundation Hospital in Urbana. He was 76:

"Professor Shimkin died of complications from cancer, Mary Creswell, a university spokeswoman, said.
Mr. Shimkin, who was also a professor of public health at the Chicago campus of the University of Illinois, was known for his research on the anthropology and ethnology of peoples in the Soviet Union, the Arctic, East Africa, and, in the United States, of the Shoshone Indians and black people. He also wrote widely about issues of military intelligence, human ecology and public health.

"Professor Shimkin was born on July 4, 1916, in Omsk, Siberia. He emigrated with his family shortly after the Russian Revolution, first to Indonesia, then to Holland, and finally to the United States. He earned bachelor's and doctoral degrees in anthropology from the University of California at Berkeley in the 1930's.

"Professor Shimkin served in the military intelligence division of the United States Army in Washington and Europe during World War II. He joined the faculty at Illinois in 1960 and retired officially in 1985, but continued on active duty there until earlier this month."

Anthropologist Dmitri Shimkin was a diehard communist and consultant to US Intelligence on how to hijack a religion. It is very possible President Jimmy Carter read Shimkin's research and sent Shiit Khomeni to overthrow the Sunni Shaw of Iran when the Shaw's government accepted Jewish and Christian citizens in our modern world. So did Morocco, Egypt, Algeria, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Turkey, Israel, India, Europe and the Western Hemisphere.
Right now, the failing SOCIALIST European Union, heavily influenced by German Intelligence, bailed out by us for $16 TRILLION DOLLARS in 2009, (equivalent to our entire GDP) is pushing the Jews out. Here are your White Supremacists funded by President Obama. How was Biden manipulating Obama?

As the Marxist government central banks keep devaluing the world's currencies, the entire globe is being robbed and ready for raiding their neighbors. It's here in the States right now. No one has audited Progressive Democrat President Woodrow Wilson's Federal Reserve Bank since its inception in 1913! Just how many bailouts are there and for whom?

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Nov 1, 2023 12:35:41   #
Radar OReilly
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Lets take a look at the history of Islam's many caliphs.

Sunni Islam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunni_Islam
"Sunni Islam (/ˈsuːni, ˈsʊni/) is the largest branch of Islam, followed by 85–90% of the world's Muslims, and simultaneously the largest religious denomination in the world. Its name comes from the word Sunnah, referring to the tradition of Muhammad.[1][2] The differences between Sunni and Shia Muslims arose from a disagreement over the succession to Muhammad and subsequently acquired broader political significance, as well as theological and juridical dimensions.[3] According to Sunni traditions, Muhammad left no successor and the participants of the Saqifah event appointed Abu Bakr as the next-in-line (the first caliph).[3][4][5] This contrasts with the Shia view, which holds that Muhammad appointed his son-in-law and cousin Ali ibn Abi Talib as his successor.[6]...
""Sunni State institutions
"Another body that claims to speak on behalf of Sunnism is the Council of Senior Religious Scholars founded in Saudi Arabia in 1971. In the past, the committee has expressed several times on fatwas about the Sunni-membership of certain Islamic groups within. In 1986 it published a fatwa excluding the Ahbāsh community from Sunnism.[209] The Islamic World League in Mecca, also funded by Saudi Arabia, made a resolution from 1987 that it regards Sunnism as the pure teachings at the time of the Messenger and the rightful existence of the Caliphate.


List of Caliphs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_caliphs
A caliph is the supreme religious and political leader of an Islamic state known as the caliphate.[1][2] Caliphs led the Muslim Ummah as political successors to the Islamic prophet Muhammad,[3] and widely-recognised caliphates have existed in various forms for most of Islamic history.[4] footnote: Ekinci, Ekrem Buğra (2017-03-03). "The rise and fall of the Islamic caliphate in history". Daily Sabah. Retrieved 2023-04-06.
"The first caliphate, the Rashidun Caliphate, was ruled by the four Rashidun caliphs (Arabic: الخلفاء الراشدون, lit. 'Rightly Guided Caliphs'), Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali, who are considered by Sunni Muslims to have been the most virtuous and pure caliphs. They were chosen by popular acclamation or by a small committee, in contrast with the following caliphates, which were mostly hereditary.[5] On the other hand, Shiites only recognise Ali and consider the first three caliphs to be usurpers.

"The Rashidun caliphate ended with the First Fitna, which transferred authority to the Umayyad dynasty that presided over the Umayyad Caliphate, the largest caliphate and the last one to actively rule the entire Muslim world.[6]

"Abbassid Caliphate was initially strong and united, but gradually fractured into several states whose rulers only paid lip service to the caliph in Baghdad. There were also rivals to the Abbasids who claimed the caliphates for themselves, such as the Isma'ili Shia Fatimids, the Sunni Ummayyads in Córdoba and the Almohads, who followed their own doctrine. When Baghdad fell to the Mongols, the Abbassid family relocated to Cairo, where they continued to claim caliphal authority but had no political power, and actual authority was in the hands of the Mamluk Sultanate.

"caliphate to the Ottoman Sultan Selim I. The caliphate then remained in the House of Osman until after the First world war. The Ottoman Sultanate was abolished in 1922 by the Grand National Assembly of Turkey. The head of the House of Osman, Abdulmejid II, retained the title of caliph for two more years, after which the caliphate was abolished in 1924.

"Rashidun Caliphate (632–661)
Hasan ibn Ali's Caliphate (661)
Umayyad Caliphate (661–750)
AMamluk Abbasid dynasty (1261–1517)bbasid Caliphate (750–1258)
Ottoman Caliphate (1517–1924)
...The head of the Ottoman dynasty was just entitled Sultan originally, but soon it started accumulating titles assumed from subjected peoples.[10][11] Murad I (reigned 1362–1389) was the first Ottoman claimant to the title of Caliph; claimed the title after conquering Edirne.[12]

"Other caliphates
Abd Allah ibn al-Zubayr's Caliphate (684–692)
Talib al-Haqq (747–748)
Fatimid Caliphate (909–1171)
Caliphate of Córdoba (929–1031)
Almohad Caliphate (1145–1269)
Bornu and Songhai Empires (15th/16th century)
Indian caliphates (late medieval/early modern)
Sokoto Caliphate (1804–1903)

"... [[In typical socialist bias, wikipedia makes NO MENTION of Saudi Arabia abandoning the caliphs of the Wahhabi and militant Salafi and accepting the Sunnis caliphs. The list above I copied from wikipedia is not complete, but enormous, the series of caliphs that skirted the true Sunni caliph closest to Muhammed's teachings. Pull up the entire article. It is raw Machiavellian politics.]]

"Ibn Saud positioned Saudi Arabia as neutral in World War II, but was generally considered to favor the Allies.[57] However, in 1938, when an attack on a main British pipeline in the Kingdom of Iraq was found to be connected to the German Ambassador, Fritz Grobba, Ibn Saud provided Grobba with refuge.[58] It was reported that he had been disfavoring the British as of 1937.
Lets take a look at the history of Islam's many ca... (show quote)


Very interesting post thanks for posting

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Nov 1, 2023 14:52:17   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
CR, My sources were well cited: the Qur'an, and the Hadiths, the very basis of Islam, wherein Muhammad's life is well chronicled.

Jack Philby's history, I briefly and objectively outlined. That is in no way "championing" him.
With this one line, I told you everything you needed to know about him: "He converted to Islam in 1930."

A caliphate or khilāfah is an institution or public office under the leadership of an Islamic steward with the title of caliph, a person considered a political-religious successor to the Islamic prophet Muhammad and a leader of the entire Muslim world.

The Sufis are a minority of 5% maximum within Islam. It is a moot point, because they have no Caliph.
There is no way any leader of theirs ever qualified to be "a leader of the entire Muslim world."

You have conjured up so much irrelevant minutia you have blinded yourself to the historical, spiritual reality of what Muhammad was, and into what he devolved.

No one is ever a terrorist until he acquires the power, is presented the opportunity, and willingly ascents to the evil spiritual entity that motivates Islam.

[quote=CounterRevolutionary]I notice you cite no sources for your post above and much of it is flat out wrong.
You look up the three different caliphs and post the source here. Start with the Sufi's.
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Nov 2, 2023 09:53:06   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Some sleepy, easily duped Westerners are willing to accept a benign version of Islam, as you have - too many are, right now.

Muhammad was a warrior, who either sent out or personally went out on seventy-four raids, small assassination hit squads, or full scale wars.

Whitewash is deceitful at best and dangerous at worst, for if or when Islam gets a foothold in a region on the pretense of "peace and love," violent fanatics inflict barbarity on people, especially on Jews.

It is time to stop denying the dark past, found in the Qur'an itself and in the example (hadith) of Muhammad, their "prophet." Many specific verses and passages in the Quran and hadith command violence.

The well documented specific acts and words of Muhammad’s atrocity against the Qurayza Jews happened in the seventh century, a full six hundred years after Jesus lived, died, and was resurrected, to give us a new way of understanding how to live to please God (and such evil events as Muhammad displayed have happened in the history of Islam in every century since).

Muhammad was never a peacemaker. Muhammad was a pig. Muhammad was born in 570 A.D., as a member of the tribe of Quraysh and the clan of Hāshim. Muhammad was an orphan at six, then raised by his uncle, Abu Talib who taught him to be a merchant.

He entered the employ of his first cousin, Khadijah, a wealthy widow, who was fifteen years older than he was. In 595, the two were married, when she was 40, and he was 25. They had six children, only one, a daughter, Fatima, lived to adulthood. Both his uncle, Abu Talib, and his wife, Khadijah died in 619 A.D., before he was driven out of Mecca in 622 A.D., as a false prophet.

The founder of a major religion typically is not a military leader. However, Muhammad (c. 570-632), the false Prophet of Islam, was a man of war. This was how he supported himself and his followers throughout his "ministry," as the dictator of the Islamic movement of conquest from 622 A.D., when he left Mecca, and traveled to Medina (Yathrib).

After acquiring more followers among the Bedouin desert dwelling Arabs, who could fight, he conquered the two peaceful, prosperous Jewish tribes in and around Medina, taking all their land, livestock, and belongings, and exiling them from all Arabia, except for the women he and his men chose to keep as concubines (sex slaves).

In A.D. 627, Muhammad committed an unspeakable atrocity against the last remaining major tribe of Jews in Medina: the Qurayza, who posed no threat to him in any way, which has served as an example to his followers in every country in which they dwell in every century since, as soon as they acquire sufficient power to do so.

Muhammad personally, tirelessly, participated in the beheading of 700 to 900 Jewish men and all the Jewish pubescent boys, of the tribe, the heads and bodies were then dragged into trenches in the business district of Medina, after which he enslaved the Jewish women and Jewish children. In doing this, he wiped the entire tribe "off the map," rather than exiling them, to use the recent language of the President of Iran.

Muhammad then returned to Mecca, his hometown, and physically captured it, subduing his own Quraysh tribe, after making a false treaty with them, and betraying them, by ambushing them by surprise.

He died there in Mecca in 632 A.D. as a result of being poisoned by one of the Jewish women, whose entire family he had slaughtered, before raping her, then keeping her as a spoil of war.

In the space of a single decade he had fought eight major battles, led eighteen raids, and planned another forty-eight military operations where others were placed in command, but operating under his orders and strategic direction.

When Muhammad moved to Medina in AD 622, three major tribes of Jews thrived in Yathrib (pre-Islamic name of Medina). When he died in AD 632, no major group was left. In these ten years Muslim polemicists would have us believe that all conflicts were everyone else’s fault, that he was always acting defensively and hence justly.

However, this is absurd on its face, more to the point, when did the Jews ever slaughter Muslim men and boys and enslave women and children as sex slaves?

He did not have to kill every man and every pubescent boy and enslave all the women and children.

Anyone whose mind has not been steeped in a lifetime of devotion to Islam knows that Muhammad’s action was factually and objectively excessive, regardless of the culture in which he lived. Excess is never just, as even Allah himself states when he rebukes his favorite prophet for another of his acts of cruelty (Hadith, Abu Dawud 4357). Sadly, though, Allah celebrated the atrocity in Sura 33:25-27.

Muslim polemical and outreach websites often assert that Islam promotes human rights. It is impossible for them to say this honestly, and at the same time appeal to the origins of their religion.

The evidence in this event alone demonstrates the horrific violence that is embedded in the dark past of original Islam, found in the Qur'an itself. Even a reliable hadith shows Allah reprimanding Muhammad for his cruelties.
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Sources: W. M. Watt, Muhammad: Prophet and Statesman, Oxford UP, 1961, pp. 130-31; 148-51; 166-67; Muhammad at Medina, Oxfored UP, 1956; Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 3; Ibn Ishaq, Life of Muhammad, trans. A. Guillaume, Oxford UP, 1955, pp. 363-64; 437-45. Ibn Ishaq (d. 767) Tabari, The Foundation of the Community, trans. M.V. McDonald and annotated by W. M. Watt (SUNYP, 1987), pp. 85-87; 156-61. Tabari (d. 923) ;: Ibn Ishaq; Tabari, The Victory of Islam, trans. M. Fishbein, vol. 8, (1997), pp. 6-7. Safi-ur-Rahman Mubarakpuri, The Sealed Nectar: Biography of the Noble Prophet, Darrusalam, 1996, p. 201.

CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Keep in mind that Muhamad was known as a peacemaker, not a warrior, a wealthy businessman who studied the Torah for Jewish law, Christianity for charity, and settled disputes amongst his peers during the aftermath of Krakatoa's volcanic eruption 536 AD that laid famine across the Eurasian continent for a hundred years.

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Nov 4, 2023 04:33:32   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Zemirah wrote:
Some sleepy, easily duped Westerners are willing to accept a benign version of Islam, as you have - too many are, right now.

Muhammad was a warrior, who either sent out or personally went out on seventy-four raids, small assassination hit squads, or full scale wars.

Whitewash is deceitful at best and dangerous at worst, for if or when Islam gets a foothold in a region on the pretense of "peace and love," violent fanatics inflict barbarity on people, especially on Jews.

It is time to stop denying the dark past, found in the Qur'an itself and in the example (hadith) of Muhammad, their "prophet." Many specific verses and passages in the Quran and hadith command violence.

The well documented specific acts and words of Muhammad’s atrocity against the Qurayza Jews happened in the seventh century, a full six hundred years after Jesus lived, died, and was resurrected, to give us a new way of understanding how to live to please God (and such evil events as Muhammad displayed have happened in the history of Islam in every century since).

Muhammad was never a peacemaker. Muhammad was a pig. Muhammad was born in 570 A.D., as a member of the tribe of Quraysh and the clan of Hāshim. Muhammad was an orphan at six, then raised by his uncle, Abu Talib who taught him to be a merchant.

He entered the employ of his first cousin, Khadijah, a wealthy widow, who was fifteen years older than he was. In 595, the two were married, when she was 40, and he was 25. They had six children, only one, a daughter, Fatima, lived to adulthood. Both his uncle, Abu Talib, and his wife, Khadijah died in 619 A.D., before he was driven out of Mecca in 622 A.D., as a false prophet.

The founder of a major religion typically is not a military leader. However, Muhammad (c. 570-632), the false Prophet of Islam, was a man of war. This was how he supported himself and his followers throughout his "ministry," as the dictator of the Islamic movement of conquest from 622 A.D., when he left Mecca, and traveled to Medina (Yathrib).

After acquiring more followers among the Bedouin desert dwelling Arabs, who could fight, he conquered the two peaceful, prosperous Jewish tribes in and around Medina, taking all their land, livestock, and belongings, and exiling them from all Arabia, except for the women he and his men chose to keep as concubines (sex slaves).

In A.D. 627, Muhammad committed an unspeakable atrocity against the last remaining major tribe of Jews in Medina: the Qurayza, who posed no threat to him in any way, which has served as an example to his followers in every country in which they dwell in every century since, as soon as they acquire sufficient power to do so.

Muhammad personally, tirelessly, participated in the beheading of 700 to 900 Jewish men and all the Jewish pubescent boys, of the tribe, the heads and bodies were then dragged into trenches in the business district of Medina, after which he enslaved the Jewish women and Jewish children. In doing this, he wiped the entire tribe "off the map," rather than exiling them, to use the recent language of the President of Iran.

Muhammad then returned to Mecca, his hometown, and physically captured it, subduing his own Quraysh tribe, after making a false treaty with them, and betraying them, by ambushing them by surprise.

He died there in Mecca in 632 A.D. as a result of being poisoned by one of the Jewish women, whose entire family he had slaughtered, before raping her, then keeping her as a spoil of war.

In the space of a single decade he had fought eight major battles, led eighteen raids, and planned another forty-eight military operations where others were placed in command, but operating under his orders and strategic direction.

When Muhammad moved to Medina in AD 622, three major tribes of Jews thrived in Yathrib (pre-Islamic name of Medina). When he died in AD 632, no major group was left. In these ten years Muslim polemicists would have us believe that all conflicts were everyone else’s fault, that he was always acting defensively and hence justly.

However, this is absurd on its face, more to the point, when did the Jews ever slaughter Muslim men and boys and enslave women and children as sex slaves?

He did not have to kill every man and every pubescent boy and enslave all the women and children.

Anyone whose mind has not been steeped in a lifetime of devotion to Islam knows that Muhammad’s action was factually and objectively excessive, regardless of the culture in which he lived. Excess is never just, as even Allah himself states when he rebukes his favorite prophet for another of his acts of cruelty (Hadith, Abu Dawud 4357). Sadly, though, Allah celebrated the atrocity in Sura 33:25-27.

Muslim polemical and outreach websites often assert that Islam promotes human rights. It is impossible for them to say this honestly, and at the same time appeal to the origins of their religion.

The evidence in this event alone demonstrates the horrific violence that is embedded in the dark past of original Islam, found in the Qur'an itself. Even a reliable hadith shows Allah reprimanding Muhammad for his cruelties.
===================================
Sources: W. M. Watt, Muhammad: Prophet and Statesman, Oxford UP, 1961, pp. 130-31; 148-51; 166-67; Muhammad at Medina, Oxfored UP, 1956; Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 3; Ibn Ishaq, Life of Muhammad, trans. A. Guillaume, Oxford UP, 1955, pp. 363-64; 437-45. Ibn Ishaq (d. 767) Tabari, The Foundation of the Community, trans. M.V. McDonald and annotated by W. M. Watt (SUNYP, 1987), pp. 85-87; 156-61. Tabari (d. 923) ;: Ibn Ishaq; Tabari, The Victory of Islam, trans. M. Fishbein, vol. 8, (1997), pp. 6-7. Safi-ur-Rahman Mubarakpuri, The Sealed Nectar: Biography of the Noble Prophet, Darrusalam, 1996, p. 201.
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Zemirah, you state that: "[I] have conjured up so much irrelevant minutia you have blinded yourself to the historical, spiritual reality of what Muhammad was, and into what he devolved."

This accusation should be directed towards the authors writing for Wikipedia, not myself by any means. Zemirah, you must find better sources for your history lessons.

Muhammad was a wealthy businessman reputed for settling disputes amongst merchants, renowned for his honesty and fairness.

Zemira. you are citing the wrong caliphs. Telling half the truth is a lie.

What is missing from that enormous Wiki list full of superfluous caliphs? It is the simple historical fact that Ibin Saud of Saudi Arabia converted to the original peaceful teachings of the Sunnis, abandoning Wahabah teachings when he discovered Jack Philby was a fraud. The Brits moved Jack Philby to Jordan and he didn't last there very long either. Lawrence warned Parliament "Beware of Philby."

Why King Ibin Saud's conversion to Sunni? Saudi Arabia had to manage the Hadj at Mecca whose millions of pilgrims were Sunnis. [95% of all Muslims are Sunni.]

Who was Jack Philby? He was a communist. During WW1, Germany had continued expanding its railroad through the Near East to reap oil and the riches of the Levant with the backing of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans had subjugated the Arabs and Armenians for a millennium. Kaiser Wilhelm also funded the Bolshevik Revolution deliberately eliminating Czar Nicolas from Germany's eastern front, promising the Ottomans an expanded empire into Russia's Muslim Central Asian Republics.

The young Turks of the Ottoman Empire mandated the Arab tribes speak Turkish but the Arabs refused any greater assimilation into the Ottoman empire, siding with the Brits who promised Arab independence in exchange for defeating Germany. T.E. Lawrence, who spoke Arabic, was an archaeologist working at the Carchemish digs - later recruited by British Intelligence as a mapmaker. And then WW1 began.

Along came the secret Sykes - Picot Treaty between the French and British Empire double crossing the Arabs, seeking new colonies after winning the war. Jack Philby of Arabia exposed this treaty to Ibin Saud in the midst of World War1 to turn the Arabs against Great Britain and aide Germany, the Turks and Bolsheviks. T.E. Lawrence withheld the double-cross from the Hashemite tribes hoping to reverse this British betrayal.

Not winning independence at the Treaty of Versailles, the Arabs revolted again, especially against the French in Syria. Philby incited Ibin Saud to attack the Hashemite King Hussein. Winston Churchill with T.E. Lawrence returned to the Middle East, undid the Sykes-Picot Treaty, pushed out the French, and granted the Arabs full independence, only keeping Palestine as a British protectorate.

Lawrence returned again to Palestine with Cham Weisman, a Zionist, to purchase Arab land and jointly create a new Jerusalem. Israel gained statehood in 1947 via the United Nations.

A good history of Jack Philby's treason, the Sykes Picot Treaty, Churchill, Lawrence and Weisman is included in two books: "Lawrence of Arabia: The Authorized Biography" by Jerremy Wilson, (Lawrence did not die in 1935) and "The Letters of T.E. Lawrence" collated by his younger brother Arnold.

Ibin Saud's conversion Sunni teachings is completely skipped on the Wikipedia's "List of Caliphs" site, no mention of Jack Philby's TREASON against the British Empire and his communist atheism. His son, Kim Philby was an even more notorious communist mole, at that time in China.

Wikipedia is far too often full of obfuscations to overwhelm the reader with superfluous "facts" while deliberately eliminating pertinent facts. The younger generation is too ignorant to know the difference.

The vast majority of Arab nations recognize the Iranian Aetolia and Mullahs as phony fundamentalists as holy as a piece of Swiss cheese, just another communist plot. The Arabs of the Middle East, especially the Saudis, would like nothing more than to eliminate the Aetolia and HAMAS once and for all.

The Jews' EXODUS recorded the first slave revolt in human history, guided by God's Ten Commandments, with the right to individual sovereignty, all equal in God's eyes. The vast numbers of Muslims are like minded, free men in free markets with rights to private property. The Saudi women now have the right to vote, have driver's licenses and credit cards. Watch out, boys.

Israel and its Arab neighbors have much more in common than the Democrat Party's socialists want to admit as they arm all sides. Joe Biden will not be on the ballot in 2024. His own Party will impeach him.

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Nov 4, 2023 04:58:38   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Radar OReilly wrote:
Very interesting post thanks for posting


My pleasure, Radar OReilly.
But please, please tell me you are not a brother of RascalRiley!

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