Israel, do you support them or are you against them, please answer why, either way.
Oct 28, 2023 01:32:21 #
Let me begin with this quote from 2 Chronicles 6 and God's response in 2 Chronicles 7.
Solomon’s Prayer of Dedication
Then Solomon stood before the altar of the Lord in the presence of all the assembly of Israel, and spread out his hands (for Solomon had made a bronze platform five cubits long, five cubits wide, and three cubits high, and had set it in the midst of the court; and he stood on it, knelt down on his knees before all the assembly of Israel, and spread out his hands toward heaven);
and he said: “Lord God of Israel, there is no God in heaven or on earth like You, who keep Your covenant and mercy with Your servants who walk before You with all their hearts. You have kept what You promised Your servant David my father; You have both spoken with Your mouth and fulfilled it with Your hand, as it is this day. Therefore, Lord God of Israel, now keep what You promised Your servant David my father, saying, ‘You shall not fail to have a man sit before Me on the throne of Israel, only if your sons take heed to their way, that they walk in My law as you have walked before Me.’ And now, O Lord God of Israel, let Your word come true, which You have spoken to Your servant David.
“But will God indeed dwell with men on the earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You. How much less this temple which I have built! Yet regard the prayer of Your servant and his supplication, O Lord my God, and listen to the cry and the prayer which Your servant is praying before You: that Your eyes may be open toward this temple day and night, toward the place where You said You would put Your name, that You may hear the prayer which Your servant makes toward this place. And may You hear the supplications of Your servant and of Your people Israel, when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven Your dwelling place, and when You hear, forgive.
“If anyone sins against his neighbor, and is forced to take an oath, and comes and takes an oath before Your altar in this temple, then hear from heaven, and act, and judge Your servants, bringing retribution on the wicked by bringing his way on his own head, and justifying the righteous by giving him according to his righteousness.
“Or if Your people Israel are defeated before an enemy because they have sinned against You, and return and confess Your name, and pray and make supplication before You in this temple, then hear from heaven and forgive the sin of Your people Israel, and bring them back to the land which You gave to them and their fathers.
“When the heavens are shut up and there is no rain because they have sinned against You, when they pray toward this place and confess Your name, and turn from their sin because You afflict them, then hear in heaven, and forgive the sin of Your servants, Your people Israel, that You may teach them the good way in which they should walk; and send rain on Your land which You have given to Your people as an inheritance.
“When there is famine in the land, pestilence or blight or mildew, locusts or grasshoppers; when their enemies besiege them in the land of their cities; whatever plague or whatever sickness there is; whatever prayer, whatever supplication is made by anyone, or by all Your people Israel, when each one knows his own burden and his own grief, and spreads out his hands to this temple: then hear from heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive, and give to everyone according to all his ways, whose heart You know (for You alone know the hearts of the sons of men), that they may fear You, to walk in Your ways as long as they live in the land which You gave to our fathers.
“Moreover, concerning a foreigner, who is not of Your people Israel, but has come from a far country for the sake of Your great name and Your mighty hand and Your outstretched arm, when they come and pray in this temple; 33 then hear from heaven Your dwelling place, and do according to all for which the foreigner calls to You, that all peoples of the earth may know Your name and fear You, as do Your people Israel, and that they may know that [d]this temple which I have built is called by Your name.
“When Your people go out to battle against their enemies, wherever You send them, and when they pray to You toward this city which You have chosen and the temple which I have built for Your name, then hear from heaven their prayer and their supplication, and maintain their cause.
“When they sin against You (for there is no one who does not sin), and You become angry with them and deliver them to the enemy, and they take them captive to a land far or near; yet when they come to themselves in the land where they were carried captive, and repent, and make supplication to You in the land of their captivity, saying, ‘We have sinned, we have done wrong, and have committed wickedness’; and when they return to You with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their captivity, where they have been carried captive, and pray toward their land which You gave to their fathers, the city which You have chosen, and toward the temple which I have built for Your name: then hear from heaven Your dwelling place their prayer and their supplications, and maintain their cause, and forgive Your people who have sinned against You. Now, my God, I pray, let Your eyes be open and let Your ears be attentive to the prayer made in this place.
“Now therefore,
Arise, O Lord God, to Your resting place,
You and the ark of Your strength.
Let Your priests, O Lord God, be clothed with salvation,
And let Your saints rejoice in goodness.
“O Lord God, do not turn away the face of Your Anointed;
Remember the mercies of Your servant David.”
2 Chronicles 6:12-42
It is here that being a descendant of the Israelites means you suffer a curse and a blessing from the Most High. This was Solomon's dedication of the Temple. Therefore, the Lord appears to Solomon later on and says:
Then the Lord appeared to Solomon by night and said to him:
“I have heard your prayer and have chosen this place for Myself as a house of sacrifice. When I shut up heaven and there is no rain, or command the locusts to devour the land, or send pestilence among My people, if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. Now my eyes will be open and My ears attentive to prayer made in this place. For now, I have chosen and sanctified this house, that My name may be there forever; and My eyes and My heart will be there perpetually. As for you, if you walk before Me as your father David walked and do according to all that I have commanded you, and if you keep My statutes and My judgments, then I will establish the throne of your kingdom, as I covenanted with David your father, saying, ‘You shall not fail to have a man as ruler in Israel.’
“But if you turn away and forsake My statutes and My commandments which I have set before you, and go and serve other gods, and worship them, then I will uproot them from My land which I have given them; and this house which I have sanctified for My name I will cast out of My sight and will make it a proverb and a byword among all peoples.
“And as for this house, which is exalted, everyone who passes by it will be astonished and say, ‘Why has the Lord done thus to this land and this house?’ Then they will answer, ‘Because they forsook the Lord God of their fathers, who brought them out of the land of Egypt, and embraced other gods, and worshiped them and served them; therefore, He has brought all this calamity on them.’”
Now, we all know that the Lord God, of Abraham, Issaac and Jacob, has punished Israel from ancient days until the modern era. We know that the last major punishment of the Jews was in World War II. But on October 7, 2023, another punishment of the Jews took place.
This punishment was wielded by the hands of Hamas, an Iranian backed militant group that controls 23 miles of Israel, known as the Gaza strip in Palestine. The atrocities that Hamas did to the Israelis is so horrible it must not be tolerated.
To those who hate Israel, all I have to say to you is, read King Solomon's dedication and understand that the modern Jew is not like their ancestors (at least not right now) and they are seeking peace, yet Hamas comes into their land, unprovoked and brutally murders them. Look at the dedication, and understand, the hand of God shall protect Israel and all who is allied with Israel.
Why are my fellow country men and women, who are younger than I, saying, "Stop the Genocide......Stop Israel's Genocide of the Palestinians....from the river to the sea, set Palestine free." If these people really want Palestine free, they will join most of the western world and support Israel. However, these blinded and deaf people, have bought into the Iranian propaganda, and see that Israel is bad. Yet they have no explanation of why a human baby should be beheaded, and children be burned beyond recognition, and women should be raped, as the men are cold bloodedly killed.
There comes a time in every human life, when the atrocities are so bad that religion goes out the window, and the survival philosophy of an eye for an eye, takes root. Which means, it does not matter whether or not you are Palestinian or Jew, the brutal massacre of October 7th, like the Holocaust must never be repeated. The only way to ensure that is to take out the perpetrators. In the 1920s until 1940s it was Nazi, Germany. Today it is Hamas backed by Hezbollah and Iran. Therefore, in this axis of evil, we as the United States should assist our greatest alley in this endeavor.
What say you? I invite everyone to speak their mind on this subject. With only two rules. Respect each other's viewpoints and try to gain wisdom to fight against evil.
Solomon’s Prayer of Dedication
Then Solomon stood before the altar of the Lord in the presence of all the assembly of Israel, and spread out his hands (for Solomon had made a bronze platform five cubits long, five cubits wide, and three cubits high, and had set it in the midst of the court; and he stood on it, knelt down on his knees before all the assembly of Israel, and spread out his hands toward heaven);
and he said: “Lord God of Israel, there is no God in heaven or on earth like You, who keep Your covenant and mercy with Your servants who walk before You with all their hearts. You have kept what You promised Your servant David my father; You have both spoken with Your mouth and fulfilled it with Your hand, as it is this day. Therefore, Lord God of Israel, now keep what You promised Your servant David my father, saying, ‘You shall not fail to have a man sit before Me on the throne of Israel, only if your sons take heed to their way, that they walk in My law as you have walked before Me.’ And now, O Lord God of Israel, let Your word come true, which You have spoken to Your servant David.
“But will God indeed dwell with men on the earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You. How much less this temple which I have built! Yet regard the prayer of Your servant and his supplication, O Lord my God, and listen to the cry and the prayer which Your servant is praying before You: that Your eyes may be open toward this temple day and night, toward the place where You said You would put Your name, that You may hear the prayer which Your servant makes toward this place. And may You hear the supplications of Your servant and of Your people Israel, when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven Your dwelling place, and when You hear, forgive.
“If anyone sins against his neighbor, and is forced to take an oath, and comes and takes an oath before Your altar in this temple, then hear from heaven, and act, and judge Your servants, bringing retribution on the wicked by bringing his way on his own head, and justifying the righteous by giving him according to his righteousness.
“Or if Your people Israel are defeated before an enemy because they have sinned against You, and return and confess Your name, and pray and make supplication before You in this temple, then hear from heaven and forgive the sin of Your people Israel, and bring them back to the land which You gave to them and their fathers.
“When the heavens are shut up and there is no rain because they have sinned against You, when they pray toward this place and confess Your name, and turn from their sin because You afflict them, then hear in heaven, and forgive the sin of Your servants, Your people Israel, that You may teach them the good way in which they should walk; and send rain on Your land which You have given to Your people as an inheritance.
“When there is famine in the land, pestilence or blight or mildew, locusts or grasshoppers; when their enemies besiege them in the land of their cities; whatever plague or whatever sickness there is; whatever prayer, whatever supplication is made by anyone, or by all Your people Israel, when each one knows his own burden and his own grief, and spreads out his hands to this temple: then hear from heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive, and give to everyone according to all his ways, whose heart You know (for You alone know the hearts of the sons of men), that they may fear You, to walk in Your ways as long as they live in the land which You gave to our fathers.
“Moreover, concerning a foreigner, who is not of Your people Israel, but has come from a far country for the sake of Your great name and Your mighty hand and Your outstretched arm, when they come and pray in this temple; 33 then hear from heaven Your dwelling place, and do according to all for which the foreigner calls to You, that all peoples of the earth may know Your name and fear You, as do Your people Israel, and that they may know that [d]this temple which I have built is called by Your name.
“When Your people go out to battle against their enemies, wherever You send them, and when they pray to You toward this city which You have chosen and the temple which I have built for Your name, then hear from heaven their prayer and their supplication, and maintain their cause.
“When they sin against You (for there is no one who does not sin), and You become angry with them and deliver them to the enemy, and they take them captive to a land far or near; yet when they come to themselves in the land where they were carried captive, and repent, and make supplication to You in the land of their captivity, saying, ‘We have sinned, we have done wrong, and have committed wickedness’; and when they return to You with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their captivity, where they have been carried captive, and pray toward their land which You gave to their fathers, the city which You have chosen, and toward the temple which I have built for Your name: then hear from heaven Your dwelling place their prayer and their supplications, and maintain their cause, and forgive Your people who have sinned against You. Now, my God, I pray, let Your eyes be open and let Your ears be attentive to the prayer made in this place.
“Now therefore,
Arise, O Lord God, to Your resting place,
You and the ark of Your strength.
Let Your priests, O Lord God, be clothed with salvation,
And let Your saints rejoice in goodness.
“O Lord God, do not turn away the face of Your Anointed;
Remember the mercies of Your servant David.”
2 Chronicles 6:12-42
It is here that being a descendant of the Israelites means you suffer a curse and a blessing from the Most High. This was Solomon's dedication of the Temple. Therefore, the Lord appears to Solomon later on and says:
Then the Lord appeared to Solomon by night and said to him:
“I have heard your prayer and have chosen this place for Myself as a house of sacrifice. When I shut up heaven and there is no rain, or command the locusts to devour the land, or send pestilence among My people, if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. Now my eyes will be open and My ears attentive to prayer made in this place. For now, I have chosen and sanctified this house, that My name may be there forever; and My eyes and My heart will be there perpetually. As for you, if you walk before Me as your father David walked and do according to all that I have commanded you, and if you keep My statutes and My judgments, then I will establish the throne of your kingdom, as I covenanted with David your father, saying, ‘You shall not fail to have a man as ruler in Israel.’
“But if you turn away and forsake My statutes and My commandments which I have set before you, and go and serve other gods, and worship them, then I will uproot them from My land which I have given them; and this house which I have sanctified for My name I will cast out of My sight and will make it a proverb and a byword among all peoples.
“And as for this house, which is exalted, everyone who passes by it will be astonished and say, ‘Why has the Lord done thus to this land and this house?’ Then they will answer, ‘Because they forsook the Lord God of their fathers, who brought them out of the land of Egypt, and embraced other gods, and worshiped them and served them; therefore, He has brought all this calamity on them.’”
Now, we all know that the Lord God, of Abraham, Issaac and Jacob, has punished Israel from ancient days until the modern era. We know that the last major punishment of the Jews was in World War II. But on October 7, 2023, another punishment of the Jews took place.
This punishment was wielded by the hands of Hamas, an Iranian backed militant group that controls 23 miles of Israel, known as the Gaza strip in Palestine. The atrocities that Hamas did to the Israelis is so horrible it must not be tolerated.
To those who hate Israel, all I have to say to you is, read King Solomon's dedication and understand that the modern Jew is not like their ancestors (at least not right now) and they are seeking peace, yet Hamas comes into their land, unprovoked and brutally murders them. Look at the dedication, and understand, the hand of God shall protect Israel and all who is allied with Israel.
Why are my fellow country men and women, who are younger than I, saying, "Stop the Genocide......Stop Israel's Genocide of the Palestinians....from the river to the sea, set Palestine free." If these people really want Palestine free, they will join most of the western world and support Israel. However, these blinded and deaf people, have bought into the Iranian propaganda, and see that Israel is bad. Yet they have no explanation of why a human baby should be beheaded, and children be burned beyond recognition, and women should be raped, as the men are cold bloodedly killed.
There comes a time in every human life, when the atrocities are so bad that religion goes out the window, and the survival philosophy of an eye for an eye, takes root. Which means, it does not matter whether or not you are Palestinian or Jew, the brutal massacre of October 7th, like the Holocaust must never be repeated. The only way to ensure that is to take out the perpetrators. In the 1920s until 1940s it was Nazi, Germany. Today it is Hamas backed by Hezbollah and Iran. Therefore, in this axis of evil, we as the United States should assist our greatest alley in this endeavor.
What say you? I invite everyone to speak their mind on this subject. With only two rules. Respect each other's viewpoints and try to gain wisdom to fight against evil.
Oct 28, 2023 02:01:34 #
Ranger7374 wrote:
And in 2 Chronicles 20, is the story of king Jehoshaphat facing 3 armies coming to destroy him Let me begin with this quote from 2 Chronicles 6 a... (show quote)
and steal the land God bequeathed to the Israelites.
His prayer goes like this:
“Lord, the God of our ancestors, are you not the God who is in heaven? You rule over all the kingdoms of the nations. Power and might are in your hand, and no one can withstand you. 7 Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend? 8 They have lived in it and have built in it a sanctuary for your Name, saying, 9 ‘If calamity comes upon us, whether the sword of judgment, or plague or famine, we will stand in your presence before this temple that bears your Name and will cry out to you in our distress, and you will hear us and save us.’
10 “But now here are men from Ammon, Moab and Mount Seir, whose territory you would not allow Israel to invade when they came from Egypt; so they turned away from them and did not destroy them. 11 See how they are repaying us by coming to drive us out of the possession you gave us as an inheritance. 12 Our God, will you not judge them? For we have no power to face this vast army that is attacking us. We do not know what to do, but our eyes are on you.”
You can how God answered here
Oct 28, 2023 02:10:06 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
And in 2 Chronicles 20, is the story of king Jehos... (show quote)
But is this really a religious war but a war against the enemies of humanity?
Israel represents a human being enjoying life, where Hamas represents the evil a human can inflict. Where's the wisdom and understanding?
Oct 28, 2023 02:33:27 #
Ranger7374 wrote:
But is this really a religious war but a war against the enemies of humanity?
Israel represents a human being enjoying life, where Hamas represents the evil a human can inflict. Where's the wisdom and understanding?
Israel represents a human being enjoying life, where Hamas represents the evil a human can inflict. Where's the wisdom and understanding?
Israel is enjoying life the same way the original colonists enjoyed life...
On the backs of an indigenous population they had subjugated, stolen from, and continuously abuse...
To answer your question from the title - No...
I do not support Zionism...
Although I do feel that Jews (as well as Christians and Muslims) have the right to live in the Holy Land...
This answer should not be misconstrued as me being against Jewish people...
Now, as for the reasons for my stance against Israel...
1. It was built on a false premise... Before the Balfour Declaration there were numerous terrorist attacks on Palestinians...The perpetrators were influential in building the first Zionist government... At no point did Israel intend to live peacefully as neighbors to the Palestinians...
2. The laws established by Israel demonstrate Ethnocentrism to the extreme.. Another indication that the Israelis have no intention of promoting the democracy and equality they often espouse...
3. A nation that does nothing to support my nation is obviously unworthy of my support...
4. Like many people (including Jews) around the world, I'm disgusted at the treatment the Palestinians receive at the hands of the Zionist government of Israel...
I appreciate your attempt at a dignified thread on this subject... And look forward to your reply
Oct 28, 2023 02:51:34 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
So you deny God's covenants with Israel.Israel is enjoying life the same way the original colonists enjoyed life...
On the backs of an indigenous population they had subjugated, stolen from, and continuously abuse.
On the backs of an indigenous population they had subjugated, stolen from, and continuously abuse.
The Bible speaks of seven different covenants, four of which (Abrahamic, Palestinian, Mosaic, Davidic) God made with the nation of Israel. Of those four, three are unconditional in nature; that is, regardless of Israel’s obedience or disobedience, God still will fulfill these covenants with Israel. One of the covenants, the Mosaic Covenant, is conditional in nature. That is, this covenant will bring either blessing or cursing depending on Israel’s obedience or disobedience. Three of the covenants (Adamic, Noahic, New) are made between God and mankind in general, and are not limited to the nation of Israel.
The Adamic Covenant can be thought of in two parts: the Edenic Covenant (innocence) and the Adamic Covenant (grace) (Genesis 3:16-19). The Edenic Covenant is found in Genesis 1:26-30; 2:16-17. The Edenic Covenant outlined man’s responsibility toward creation and God’s directive regarding the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The Adamic Covenant included the curses pronounced against mankind for the sin of Adam and Eve, as well as God’s provision for that sin (Genesis 3:15).
The Noahic Covenant was an unconditional covenant between God and Noah (specifically) and humanity (generally). After the Flood, God promised humanity that He would never again destroy all life on earth with a Flood (see Genesis chapter 9). God gave the rainbow as the sign of the covenant, a promise that the entire earth would never again flood and a reminder that God can and will judge sin (2 Peter 2:5).
Abrahamic Covenant (Genesis 12:1-3, 6-7; 13:14-17; 15; 17:1-14; 22:15-18). In this covenant, God promised many things to Abraham. He personally promised that He would make Abraham’s name great (Genesis 12:2), that Abraham would have numerous physical descendants (Genesis 13:16), and that he would be the father of a multitude of nations (Genesis 17:4-5). God also made promises regarding a nation called Israel. In fact, the geographical boundaries of the Abrahamic Covenant are laid out on more than one occasion in the book of Genesis (12:7; 13:14-15; 15:18-21). Another provision in the Abrahamic Covenant is that the families of the world will be blessed through the physical line of Abraham (Genesis 12:3; 22:18). This is a reference to the Messiah, who would come from the line of Abraham.
Palestinian Covenant (Deuteronomy 30:1-10). The Palestinian Covenant, or Land Covenant, amplifies the land aspect that was detailed in the Abrahamic Covenant. According to the terms of this covenant, if the people disobeyed, God would cause them to be scattered around the world (Deuteronomy 30:3-4), but He would eventually restore the nation (verse 5). When the nation is restored, then they will obey Him perfectly (verse 8), and God will cause them to prosper (verse 9).
Mosaic Covenant (Deuteronomy 11; et al.). The Mosaic Covenant was a conditional covenant that either brought God’s direct blessing for obedience or God’s direct cursing for disobedience upon the nation of Israel. Part of the Mosaic Covenant was the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20) and the rest of the Law, which contained over 600 commands—roughly 300 positive and 300 negative. The history books of the Old Testament (Joshua–Esther) detail how Israel succeeded at obeying the Law or how Israel failed miserably at obeying the Law. Deuteronomy 11:26-28 details the blessing/cursing motif.
Davidic Covenant (2 Samuel 7:8-16). The Davidic Covenant amplifies the “seed” aspect of the Abrahamic Covenant. The promises to David in this passage are significant. God promised that David’s lineage would last forever and that his kingdom would never pass away permanently (verse 16). Obviously, the Davidic throne has not been in place at all times. There will be a time, however, when someone from the line of David will again sit on the throne and rule as king. This future king is Jesus (Luke 1:32-33).
New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34). The New Covenant is a covenant made first with the nation of Israel and, ultimately, with all mankind. In the New Covenant, God promises to forgive sin, and there will be a universal knowledge of the Lord. Jesus Christ came to fulfill the Law of Moses (Matthew 5:17) and create a new covenant between God and His people. Now that we are under the New Covenant, both Jews and Gentiles can be free from the penalty of the Law. We are now given the opportunity to receive salvation as a free gift (Ephesians 2:8-9).
Within the discussion of the biblical covenants, there are a few issues that Christians are not agreed upon. First, some Christians think that all of the covenants are conditional in nature. If the covenants are conditional, then Israel failed miserably at fulfilling them. Others believe that the unconditional covenants have yet to be totally fulfilled and, regardless of Israel’s disobedience, will come to fruition sometime in the future. Second, how does the church of Jesus Christ relate to the covenants? Some believe that the church fulfills the covenants and God will never deal with Israel again. This is called replacement theology and has little scriptural evidence. Others believe that the church initially or partially will fulfill these covenants. While many of the promises towards Israel are still in the future, many believe that the church shares in the covenants in some way. Others believe that the covenants are for Israel and for Israel alone, and that the church has no part in these covenants.
Oct 28, 2023 02:58:28 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
So you deny God's covenants with Israel. br br i... (show quote)
Covenant ended with Christ...
Oct 28, 2023 03:38:36 #
Ranger7374 wrote:
Let me begin with this quote from 2 Chronicles 6 a... (show quote)
They are the only Democracy in the region so of course I support them.
Oct 28, 2023 03:57:04 #
PeterS wrote:
They are the only Democracy in the region so of course I support them.
Weird...
Egypt, Lebanon, Jordon..All democratic...
Iraq, Turkey, Iran... Democracies...
Even Gaza and the West Bank are operate as democracies...
Of course, America's greatest ally and business partner in the area (Saudi Arabia) is not a democracy...
And Israel's Law of Return allows for a very specific demographic to have absolute control of the vote (while denying it to millions of indigenous people)...
God bless democracy...
Oct 28, 2023 04:35:03 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Weird...
Egypt, Lebanon, Jordon..All democratic...
Iraq, Turkey, Iran... Democracies...
Even Gaza and the West Bank are operate as democracies...
Of course, America's greatest ally and business partner in the area (Saudi Arabia) is not a democracy...
And Israel's Law of Return allows for a very specific demographic to have absolute control of the vote (while denying it to millions of indigenous people)...
God bless democracy...
Egypt, Lebanon, Jordon..All democratic...
Iraq, Turkey, Iran... Democracies...
Even Gaza and the West Bank are operate as democracies...
Of course, America's greatest ally and business partner in the area (Saudi Arabia) is not a democracy...
And Israel's Law of Return allows for a very specific demographic to have absolute control of the vote (while denying it to millions of indigenous people)...
God bless democracy...
"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself.
There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."
John Adams
"Democracies have been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death."
James Madison
"It has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity."
Alexander Hamilton
"The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived."
John Quincy Adams
"Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos."
John Marshall
"Democracy is four wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch."
Ambrose Bierce
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
Winston Churchill
Oct 28, 2023 05:24:19 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
i "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It ... (show quote)
Chuckle...
Most of them are republics (a form of democracy)
But I absolutely agree concerning democracies...
A weak system of government...
Oct 28, 2023 05:28:13 #
Ranger7374 wrote:
Let me begin with this quote from 2 Chronicles 6 a... (show quote)
YES I support Israel and all that don't should ! A word of advice to the wise should be sufficient .
Genesis 12:3
King James Version
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Oct 28, 2023 05:38:03 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Israel is enjoying life the same way the original ... (show quote)
This should give some insight on the importance of standing for Israel whether one believes in the God of the Bible or not !
https://biblesearch.com/to-whom-did-god-give-the-land-of-israel/
https://www.gotquestions.org/Abraham-promised-land.html
As I recall 6 times Israel was willing to give the Palestinians their own state but refused all they want is to completely destroy Israel .
The reason many hate Israel and Christians as well is the fact they don't believe in the God of the Bible the God who created the world we all live in as well as who created all mankind !
Oct 28, 2023 05:38:38 #
PeterS wrote:
They are the only Democracy in the region so of course I support them.
Oct 28, 2023 06:24:37 #
bggamers
Loc: georgia
Ranger7374 wrote:
Let me begin with this quote from 2 Chronicles 6 a... (show quote)
Support for Israel is or has always been #1 in this country. The biggest reason of course is religious they are Gods chosen people but the second is they are the most demonized and threatened by a lot of countries. Funny how the money was freed up almost the same time Israel said they were planning to rebuild the temple strange how that worked out
Oct 28, 2023 07:16:09 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Israel is enjoying life the same way the original ... (show quote)
Well said CD! I support the civilians that reside in both Israel and Gaza. I do not support the Zionist government of Netanyahu like many other Jews living in Israel. Nor do I support Hamas, which is a terrorist organization (created by the way with support from the Israeli government and CIA - see my previous posts on that subject). Ranger 7374 states that the "United States should assist our greatest alley in this endeavor". I agree. We differ however on just what that support consists of. If it means finding an end to the violence, then yes, by all means we should be leading the diplomatic effort for peace in the region. If it means sending more weapons, troops, and money which adds fuel to the fire of violence and death, then the answer is clearly NO!
Many of you love to quote endless passages from the bible to justify Israel's "collective punishment" of the Palestinian population. You can find biblical references to justify many things. I'm a simple guy who loves to keep things simple.
First, love your God above all else, and second, love your neighbor as you love yourself. Violence begets violence. What would God say about Israel's treatment of the Palestinian population? Would Israelis's liked to be treated the way the Palestinian population is being treated?
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