Relinquishing Control of the 'Occupied Territories' is No Solution for Israel
Oct 20, 2023 11:51:19 #
Because Biblical literacy continues to drastically decrease in the midst of the "Christian world," ignorance of God’s Word, especially His prophetic revelation of the future of Israel and the nations of this earth, is rampant.
There is a worldwide purported belief that if Israel would only give back the territories it captured during the Six Day War in 1967, then peace would come to the Middle East. This is demonstrably false, and has been so proven by a chant now being acclaimed throughout the world: "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free."
Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in 1982 after Egypt recognized Israel as a legitimate sovereign state.
This is the strategically important land bordering Israel on the south, forming the southern border of Gaza. Even so, Israel gave that land up to Egypt for peace.
The other territories that Israel occupied after 1967 were the Gaza Strip and the "West Bank" of the Jordan, the latter is Judea and Samaria in the days of the Bible.
In 2005, Israel gave Gaza back to the Palestinians. (before the Six Day War, the Palestinians were known simply as Arabs, since there was not and had never been a Palestinian national identity, or a Palestinian government; a few of the local Arab inhabitants had remained for generations as Arabs.)
[b]In 2006, the Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas as their leadership although Hamas was explicitly formed in 1987 with the sole purpose of obliterating Israel.]/b] It is contained in their original charter.
The concept of "land for peace" is a lie on the part of the Arabs.
Israel's attempt to co-exist for 76 years with families next door who believe they have no right to be in their home or even in the land, and expressly and repeatedly state, "We will drive you out or murder you" has finally reached it's expiration date.
That’s what Israel, who drove their own settlers from the land and bulldozed their homes, in order to give it to the Arabs, has received in appreciation from them since 2006.
The refrain is now heard, "But they still deny Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, and the captives of
Hamas - the population who label themselves Palestinians, but are Arabs who migrated from neighboring lands, the right to pass freely, at will, in and out of Israel, thus restricting their access to the outside world."
True, for one reason only: Hamas has vowed to slaughter all Israelis, and Hamas rules Gaza. Does any rational person believe that Israel should or will agree to immediately remove all their defenses and open wide their borders to fanatical, merciless terrorists who wish only to annihilate them?
October 7th has just shown us the extreme and utter folly of that.
It should never be forgotten that Hamas has training camps for their children where they are taught their greatest virtue lies in becoming anti-Israel terrorists and they are given the life's goal of becoming martyrs for this cause. They are, from their earliest days, indoctrinated with hatred for Israel and the Jews. Whole families sing and dance in the streets with great joy when Hamas slaughters innocent Israelis — because in their eyes, all Israelis are vermin.
Jordanian-Palestinian businessman and politician, Talal Abu Ghazaleh, in a Lebanese television interview regarding the Gazan war on October 12th was very candid.
He said, “Israel would not sacrifice a single person. There isn’t a goal for which it would sacrifice a single person. They are afraid of death. Death for them is strange and loathsome. We, on the other hand, welcome death.
A Palestinian carries his son on his shoulders, with a headband on the kid’s forehead, which his father inscribed: ‘Martyrdom Seeker.’ This is a man who says: ‘I want my son to die.’
A Palestinian mother says: ‘I have given birth to six children, so that three could die in the revolution. I gave birth to children so that they would be martyred.’ This does not exist in the Zionist mentality.”
Their inspiration, taken straight from the words of the Qur'an, is the motivation of all of Israel's Muslim enemies.
When the interviewer referenced “the multitudes of innocent civilian victims [in Gaza],” he replied, “How many? Two thousand? The casualties always accumulate, unfortunately... Fine.
How many people did Russia sacrifice in its war against the Nazis? Twenty-seven million. Not just a thousand ...
We haven't gotten to thousands yet. Russia knowingly sacrificed those people. It was no coincidence. It is not that Russia did not know that these people were going to die. It wanted 27 million people to die so that Russia survives. We, Palestinians, are the same.
There are two million people [in Gaza]. If one dies ... I hope I will be one of them. It would be an honor to die as a martyr. But there are two million people in Gaza. Will [Israel] kill two million people? How? Half of them are hidden underground, in tunnels.”
And this was just a casual TV interview, with two people talking about Israel’s war with Hamas.
Abu Ghazaleh also explained, "You cannot defeat someone who wants to die. People who flee from death cannot defeat people who seek death. What happened in Germany in the World War? Entire cities were destroyed. But didn't Germany become later one of the five most wealthy countries in the world? Let them destroy [Gaza]. What is destroyed can be rebuilt. I think that the goal of Hamas's lions of humanity was to cause the demolition of those buildings so that they could be rebuilt properly, according to more aesthetic and newer engineering standards.”
"As to why Hitler only slaughtered 6 million out of 9 million European Jews, it was because he wanted to leave some alive so everyone could realize why he did what he did."
================================
Anyone who thinks that Israel returning to pre-1967 borders would eliminate these fourteen centuries old sentiments should spend a few hours on the Memri TV website, watching these clips. Read the quotes on the Palestinian Media Watch site - see what the Palestinian people are hearing, what they are reading and seeing (both in Gaza, and under the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank). This could be extended to the entire Muslim world.
Peace-loving voices, voices of conciliation, have no place in Islam, and are evident only by their non-existence.
Israel did, after all, open its borders to Gazan workers, allowing those who were thought to be unthreatening to seek employment and perform that work within Israel on a daily basis.
As noted by the Institute for National Security Studies, "In October 2021, as the COVID-19 pandemic ebbed, the Israeli government decided to resume Gazan employment in Israel. Currently, about 11,000 Gazan workers have entry permits and are employed informally.
In March 2022 the government decided to regulate Gazan employment in Israel and allocate 20,000 work permits to Gazans, 12,000 for the construction industry and 8,000 for agriculture. The permits are given to married Gazans aged 25 and up who have passed a security check."
This accomplished nothing.
Those who speculate, "The situation in Gaza is more complex, but, if Israel returned the West Bank [Judea - Samaria] to the Palestinians, there would be peace."
Hardly.
There are more than 500,000 Israelis currently live in the West Bank. A Palestinian state would demand that every last Jew uproot and leave. It must be Judenfrei (German for “free of Jews”). In stark contrast, there are roughly two million Arabs (pseudo Palestinians) living in Israel, enjoying a higher standard of living than is possible for them anywhere in the Arab world - If the Arabs would take them in.
Sooo, Palestinian Arabs can live in a Jewish state, but Jews cannot live in a Palestinian Arab state.
The 1948 rebirth of the State of Israel was, is, and will always be, within the entire Palestinian and Muslim-Arab world, "Al-Nakba," the Catastrophe.
This is confirmed in the chant being heard around the world: “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free.”
That would means no more Israel, even with pre-1967 borders. That is not going to happen.
That is a rejection of the 76 year old UN 1947 Plan of Partition that catapulted the rebirth of the State of Israel.
They intend that there be no homeland for the Jews.
The protesters are chanting what Muslim crowds call for, and all Palestinian sympathizers desire. "Jews, go home!"
They are home, however, — back in the Promised Land, their ancient one and only homeland. And no one can move them or force them to leave. They have come home for good. God said so.
In saying this, the struggles of the Arab pretense-Palestinian people can not be diminished. However, they knowingly set themselves up to live a lie. They are not nor have they ever been the owners of the land of
Israel, because of prior ownership.
It cannot be claimed, nor is it, that Israel has always been perfectly ethical and righteous in all its dealings with the Palestinians, or its other "neighbors."
There is no viable peace plan for Israel and the Middle East to be presented, because God has preemptively overruled it.
He wrote a book.
It is set in stone.
There is a worldwide purported belief that if Israel would only give back the territories it captured during the Six Day War in 1967, then peace would come to the Middle East. This is demonstrably false, and has been so proven by a chant now being acclaimed throughout the world: "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free."
Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in 1982 after Egypt recognized Israel as a legitimate sovereign state.
This is the strategically important land bordering Israel on the south, forming the southern border of Gaza. Even so, Israel gave that land up to Egypt for peace.
The other territories that Israel occupied after 1967 were the Gaza Strip and the "West Bank" of the Jordan, the latter is Judea and Samaria in the days of the Bible.
In 2005, Israel gave Gaza back to the Palestinians. (before the Six Day War, the Palestinians were known simply as Arabs, since there was not and had never been a Palestinian national identity, or a Palestinian government; a few of the local Arab inhabitants had remained for generations as Arabs.)
[b]In 2006, the Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas as their leadership although Hamas was explicitly formed in 1987 with the sole purpose of obliterating Israel.]/b] It is contained in their original charter.
The concept of "land for peace" is a lie on the part of the Arabs.
Israel's attempt to co-exist for 76 years with families next door who believe they have no right to be in their home or even in the land, and expressly and repeatedly state, "We will drive you out or murder you" has finally reached it's expiration date.
That’s what Israel, who drove their own settlers from the land and bulldozed their homes, in order to give it to the Arabs, has received in appreciation from them since 2006.
The refrain is now heard, "But they still deny Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, and the captives of
Hamas - the population who label themselves Palestinians, but are Arabs who migrated from neighboring lands, the right to pass freely, at will, in and out of Israel, thus restricting their access to the outside world."
True, for one reason only: Hamas has vowed to slaughter all Israelis, and Hamas rules Gaza. Does any rational person believe that Israel should or will agree to immediately remove all their defenses and open wide their borders to fanatical, merciless terrorists who wish only to annihilate them?
October 7th has just shown us the extreme and utter folly of that.
It should never be forgotten that Hamas has training camps for their children where they are taught their greatest virtue lies in becoming anti-Israel terrorists and they are given the life's goal of becoming martyrs for this cause. They are, from their earliest days, indoctrinated with hatred for Israel and the Jews. Whole families sing and dance in the streets with great joy when Hamas slaughters innocent Israelis — because in their eyes, all Israelis are vermin.
Jordanian-Palestinian businessman and politician, Talal Abu Ghazaleh, in a Lebanese television interview regarding the Gazan war on October 12th was very candid.
He said, “Israel would not sacrifice a single person. There isn’t a goal for which it would sacrifice a single person. They are afraid of death. Death for them is strange and loathsome. We, on the other hand, welcome death.
A Palestinian carries his son on his shoulders, with a headband on the kid’s forehead, which his father inscribed: ‘Martyrdom Seeker.’ This is a man who says: ‘I want my son to die.’
A Palestinian mother says: ‘I have given birth to six children, so that three could die in the revolution. I gave birth to children so that they would be martyred.’ This does not exist in the Zionist mentality.”
Their inspiration, taken straight from the words of the Qur'an, is the motivation of all of Israel's Muslim enemies.
When the interviewer referenced “the multitudes of innocent civilian victims [in Gaza],” he replied, “How many? Two thousand? The casualties always accumulate, unfortunately... Fine.
How many people did Russia sacrifice in its war against the Nazis? Twenty-seven million. Not just a thousand ...
We haven't gotten to thousands yet. Russia knowingly sacrificed those people. It was no coincidence. It is not that Russia did not know that these people were going to die. It wanted 27 million people to die so that Russia survives. We, Palestinians, are the same.
There are two million people [in Gaza]. If one dies ... I hope I will be one of them. It would be an honor to die as a martyr. But there are two million people in Gaza. Will [Israel] kill two million people? How? Half of them are hidden underground, in tunnels.”
And this was just a casual TV interview, with two people talking about Israel’s war with Hamas.
Abu Ghazaleh also explained, "You cannot defeat someone who wants to die. People who flee from death cannot defeat people who seek death. What happened in Germany in the World War? Entire cities were destroyed. But didn't Germany become later one of the five most wealthy countries in the world? Let them destroy [Gaza]. What is destroyed can be rebuilt. I think that the goal of Hamas's lions of humanity was to cause the demolition of those buildings so that they could be rebuilt properly, according to more aesthetic and newer engineering standards.”
"As to why Hitler only slaughtered 6 million out of 9 million European Jews, it was because he wanted to leave some alive so everyone could realize why he did what he did."
================================
Anyone who thinks that Israel returning to pre-1967 borders would eliminate these fourteen centuries old sentiments should spend a few hours on the Memri TV website, watching these clips. Read the quotes on the Palestinian Media Watch site - see what the Palestinian people are hearing, what they are reading and seeing (both in Gaza, and under the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank). This could be extended to the entire Muslim world.
Peace-loving voices, voices of conciliation, have no place in Islam, and are evident only by their non-existence.
Israel did, after all, open its borders to Gazan workers, allowing those who were thought to be unthreatening to seek employment and perform that work within Israel on a daily basis.
As noted by the Institute for National Security Studies, "In October 2021, as the COVID-19 pandemic ebbed, the Israeli government decided to resume Gazan employment in Israel. Currently, about 11,000 Gazan workers have entry permits and are employed informally.
In March 2022 the government decided to regulate Gazan employment in Israel and allocate 20,000 work permits to Gazans, 12,000 for the construction industry and 8,000 for agriculture. The permits are given to married Gazans aged 25 and up who have passed a security check."
This accomplished nothing.
Those who speculate, "The situation in Gaza is more complex, but, if Israel returned the West Bank [Judea - Samaria] to the Palestinians, there would be peace."
Hardly.
There are more than 500,000 Israelis currently live in the West Bank. A Palestinian state would demand that every last Jew uproot and leave. It must be Judenfrei (German for “free of Jews”). In stark contrast, there are roughly two million Arabs (pseudo Palestinians) living in Israel, enjoying a higher standard of living than is possible for them anywhere in the Arab world - If the Arabs would take them in.
Sooo, Palestinian Arabs can live in a Jewish state, but Jews cannot live in a Palestinian Arab state.
The 1948 rebirth of the State of Israel was, is, and will always be, within the entire Palestinian and Muslim-Arab world, "Al-Nakba," the Catastrophe.
This is confirmed in the chant being heard around the world: “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free.”
That would means no more Israel, even with pre-1967 borders. That is not going to happen.
That is a rejection of the 76 year old UN 1947 Plan of Partition that catapulted the rebirth of the State of Israel.
They intend that there be no homeland for the Jews.
The protesters are chanting what Muslim crowds call for, and all Palestinian sympathizers desire. "Jews, go home!"
They are home, however, — back in the Promised Land, their ancient one and only homeland. And no one can move them or force them to leave. They have come home for good. God said so.
In saying this, the struggles of the Arab pretense-Palestinian people can not be diminished. However, they knowingly set themselves up to live a lie. They are not nor have they ever been the owners of the land of
Israel, because of prior ownership.
It cannot be claimed, nor is it, that Israel has always been perfectly ethical and righteous in all its dealings with the Palestinians, or its other "neighbors."
There is no viable peace plan for Israel and the Middle East to be presented, because God has preemptively overruled it.
He wrote a book.
It is set in stone.
Oct 20, 2023 12:06:03 #
proud republican
Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
[quote=Zemirah]Because Biblical literacy continues to drastically decrease in the midst of the "Christian world," ignorance of God’s Word, especially His prophetic revelation of the future of Israel and the nations of this earth, is rampant.
There is a worldwide purported belief that if Israel would only give back the territories it captured during the Six Day War in 1967, then peace would come to the Middle East. This is demonstrably false, and has been so proven by a chant now being acclaimed throughout the world: "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free."
Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in 1982 after Egypt recognized Israel as a legitimate sovereign state.
This is the strategically important land bordering Israel on the south, forming the southern border of Gaza. Even so, Israel gave that land up to Egypt for peace.
The other territories that Israel occupied after 1967 were the Gaza Strip and the "West Bank" of the Jordan, the latter is Judea and Samaria in the days of the Bible.
In 2005, Israel gave Gaza back to the Palestinians. (before the Six Day War, the Palestinians were known simply as Arabs, since there was not and had never been a Palestinian national identity, or a Palestinian government; a few of the local Arab inhabitants had remained for generations as Arabs.)
[b]In 2006, the Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas as their leadership although Hamas was explicitly formed in 1987 with the sole purpose of obliterating Israel.]/b] It is contained in their original charter.
The concept of "land for peace" is a lie on the part of the Arabs.
Israel's attempt to co-exist for 76 years with families next door who believe they have no right to be in their home or even in the land, and expressly and repeatedly state, "We will drive you out or murder you" has finally reached it's expiration date.
That’s what Israel, who drove their own settlers from the land and bulldozed their homes, in order to give it to the Arabs, has received in appreciation from them since 2006.
The refrain is now heard, "But they still deny Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, and the captives of
Hamas - the population who label themselves Palestinians, but are Arabs who migrated from neighboring lands, the right to pass freely, at will, in and out of Israel, thus restricting their access to the outside world."
True, for one reason only: Hamas has vowed to slaughter all Israelis, and Hamas rules Gaza. Does any rational person believe that Israel should or will agree to immediately remove all their defenses and open wide their borders to fanatical, merciless terrorists who wish only to annihilate them?
October 7th has just shown us the extreme and utter folly of that.
It should never be forgotten that Hamas has training camps for their children where they are taught their greatest virtue lies in becoming anti-Israel terrorists and they are given the life's goal of becoming martyrs for this cause. They are, from their earliest days, indoctrinated with hatred for Israel and the Jews. Whole families sing and dance in the streets with great joy when Hamas slaughters innocent Israelis — because in their eyes, all Israelis are vermin.
Jordanian-Palestinian businessman and politician, Talal Abu Ghazaleh, in a Lebanese television interview regarding the Gazan war on October 12th was very candid.
He said, “Israel would not sacrifice a single person. There isn’t a goal for which it would sacrifice a single person. They are afraid of death. Death for them is strange and loathsome. We, on the other hand, welcome death.
A Palestinian carries his son on his shoulders, with a headband on the kid’s forehead, which his father inscribed: ‘Martyrdom Seeker.’ This is a man who says: ‘I want my son to die.’
A Palestinian mother says: ‘I have given birth to six children, so that three could die in the revolution. I gave birth to children so that they would be martyred.’ This does not exist in the Zionist mentality.”
Their inspiration, taken straight from the words of the Qur'an, is the motivation of all of Israel's Muslim enemies.
When the interviewer referenced “the multitudes of innocent civilian victims [in Gaza],” he replied, “How many? Two thousand? The casualties always accumulate, unfortunately... Fine.
How many people did Russia sacrifice in its war against the Nazis? Twenty-seven million. Not just a thousand ...
We haven't gotten to thousands yet. Russia knowingly sacrificed those people. It was no coincidence. It is not that Russia did not know that these people were going to die. It wanted 27 million people to die so that Russia survives. We, Palestinians, are the same.
There are two million people [in Gaza]. If one dies ... I hope I will be one of them. It would be an honor to die as a martyr. But there are two million people in Gaza. Will [Israel] kill two million people? How? Half of them are hidden underground, in tunnels.”
And this was just a casual TV interview, with two people talking about Israel’s war with Hamas.
Abu Ghazaleh also explained, "You cannot defeat someone who wants to die. People who flee from death cannot defeat people who seek death. What happened in Germany in the World War? Entire cities were destroyed. But didn't Germany become later one of the five most wealthy countries in the world? Let them destroy [Gaza]. What is destroyed can be rebuilt. I think that the goal of Hamas's lions of humanity was to cause the demolition of those buildings so that they could be rebuilt properly, according to more aesthetic and newer engineering standards.”
"As to why Hitler only slaughtered 6 million out of 9 million European Jews, it was because he wanted to leave some alive so everyone could realize why he did what he did."
================================
Anyone who thinks that Israel returning to pre-1967 borders would eliminate these fourteen centuries old sentiments should spend a few hours on the Memri TV website, watching these clips. Read the quotes on the Palestinian Media Watch site - see what the Palestinian people are hearing, what they are reading and seeing (both in Gaza, and under the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank). This could be extended to the entire Muslim world.
Peace-loving voices, voices of conciliation, have no place in Islam, and are evident only by their non-existence.
Israel did, after all, open its borders to Gazan workers, allowing those who were thought to be unthreatening to seek employment and perform that work within Israel on a daily basis.
As noted by the Institute for National Security Studies, "In October 2021, as the COVID-19 pandemic ebbed, the Israeli government decided to resume Gazan employment in Israel. Currently, about 11,000 Gazan workers have entry permits and are employed informally.
In March 2022 the government decided to regulate Gazan employment in Israel and allocate 20,000 work permits to Gazans, 12,000 for the construction industry and 8,000 for agriculture. The permits are given to married Gazans aged 25 and up who have passed a security check."
This accomplished nothing.
Those who speculate, "The situation in Gaza is more complex, but, if Israel returned the West Bank [Judea - Samaria] to the Palestinians, there would be peace."
Hardly.
There are more than 500,000 Israelis currently live in the West Bank. A Palestinian state would demand that every last Jew uproot and leave. It must be Judenfrei (German for “free of Jews”). In stark contrast, there are roughly two million Arabs (pseudo Palestinians) living in Israel, enjoying a higher standard of living than is possible for them anywhere in the Arab world - If the Arabs would take them in.
Sooo, Palestinian Arabs can live in a Jewish state, but Jews cannot live in a Palestinian Arab state.
The 1948 rebirth of the State of Israel was, is, and will always be, within the entire Palestinian and Muslim-Arab world, "Al-Nakba," the Catastrophe.
This is confirmed in the chant being heard around the world: “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free.”
That would means no more Israel, even with pre-1967 borders. That is not going to happen.
That is a rejection of the 76 year old UN 1947 Plan of Partition that catapulted the rebirth of the State of Israel.
They intend that there be no homeland for the Jews.
The protesters are chanting what Muslim crowds call for, and all Palestinian sympathizers desire. "Jews, go home!"
They are home, however, — back in the Promised Land, their ancient one and only homeland. And no one can move them or force them to leave. They have come home for good. God said so.
In saying this, the struggles of the Arab pretense-Palestinian people can not be diminished. However, they knowingly set themselves up to live a lie. They are not nor have they ever been the owners of the land of
Israel, because of prior ownership.
It cannot be claimed, nor is it, that Israel has always been perfectly ethical and righteous in all its dealings with the Palestinians, or its other "neighbors."
There is no viable peace plan for Israel and the Middle East to be presented, because God has preemptively overruled it.
He wrote a book.
It is set in stone.[/quote]
There is a worldwide purported belief that if Israel would only give back the territories it captured during the Six Day War in 1967, then peace would come to the Middle East. This is demonstrably false, and has been so proven by a chant now being acclaimed throughout the world: "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free."
Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in 1982 after Egypt recognized Israel as a legitimate sovereign state.
This is the strategically important land bordering Israel on the south, forming the southern border of Gaza. Even so, Israel gave that land up to Egypt for peace.
The other territories that Israel occupied after 1967 were the Gaza Strip and the "West Bank" of the Jordan, the latter is Judea and Samaria in the days of the Bible.
In 2005, Israel gave Gaza back to the Palestinians. (before the Six Day War, the Palestinians were known simply as Arabs, since there was not and had never been a Palestinian national identity, or a Palestinian government; a few of the local Arab inhabitants had remained for generations as Arabs.)
[b]In 2006, the Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas as their leadership although Hamas was explicitly formed in 1987 with the sole purpose of obliterating Israel.]/b] It is contained in their original charter.
The concept of "land for peace" is a lie on the part of the Arabs.
Israel's attempt to co-exist for 76 years with families next door who believe they have no right to be in their home or even in the land, and expressly and repeatedly state, "We will drive you out or murder you" has finally reached it's expiration date.
That’s what Israel, who drove their own settlers from the land and bulldozed their homes, in order to give it to the Arabs, has received in appreciation from them since 2006.
The refrain is now heard, "But they still deny Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, and the captives of
Hamas - the population who label themselves Palestinians, but are Arabs who migrated from neighboring lands, the right to pass freely, at will, in and out of Israel, thus restricting their access to the outside world."
True, for one reason only: Hamas has vowed to slaughter all Israelis, and Hamas rules Gaza. Does any rational person believe that Israel should or will agree to immediately remove all their defenses and open wide their borders to fanatical, merciless terrorists who wish only to annihilate them?
October 7th has just shown us the extreme and utter folly of that.
It should never be forgotten that Hamas has training camps for their children where they are taught their greatest virtue lies in becoming anti-Israel terrorists and they are given the life's goal of becoming martyrs for this cause. They are, from their earliest days, indoctrinated with hatred for Israel and the Jews. Whole families sing and dance in the streets with great joy when Hamas slaughters innocent Israelis — because in their eyes, all Israelis are vermin.
Jordanian-Palestinian businessman and politician, Talal Abu Ghazaleh, in a Lebanese television interview regarding the Gazan war on October 12th was very candid.
He said, “Israel would not sacrifice a single person. There isn’t a goal for which it would sacrifice a single person. They are afraid of death. Death for them is strange and loathsome. We, on the other hand, welcome death.
A Palestinian carries his son on his shoulders, with a headband on the kid’s forehead, which his father inscribed: ‘Martyrdom Seeker.’ This is a man who says: ‘I want my son to die.’
A Palestinian mother says: ‘I have given birth to six children, so that three could die in the revolution. I gave birth to children so that they would be martyred.’ This does not exist in the Zionist mentality.”
Their inspiration, taken straight from the words of the Qur'an, is the motivation of all of Israel's Muslim enemies.
When the interviewer referenced “the multitudes of innocent civilian victims [in Gaza],” he replied, “How many? Two thousand? The casualties always accumulate, unfortunately... Fine.
How many people did Russia sacrifice in its war against the Nazis? Twenty-seven million. Not just a thousand ...
We haven't gotten to thousands yet. Russia knowingly sacrificed those people. It was no coincidence. It is not that Russia did not know that these people were going to die. It wanted 27 million people to die so that Russia survives. We, Palestinians, are the same.
There are two million people [in Gaza]. If one dies ... I hope I will be one of them. It would be an honor to die as a martyr. But there are two million people in Gaza. Will [Israel] kill two million people? How? Half of them are hidden underground, in tunnels.”
And this was just a casual TV interview, with two people talking about Israel’s war with Hamas.
Abu Ghazaleh also explained, "You cannot defeat someone who wants to die. People who flee from death cannot defeat people who seek death. What happened in Germany in the World War? Entire cities were destroyed. But didn't Germany become later one of the five most wealthy countries in the world? Let them destroy [Gaza]. What is destroyed can be rebuilt. I think that the goal of Hamas's lions of humanity was to cause the demolition of those buildings so that they could be rebuilt properly, according to more aesthetic and newer engineering standards.”
"As to why Hitler only slaughtered 6 million out of 9 million European Jews, it was because he wanted to leave some alive so everyone could realize why he did what he did."
================================
Anyone who thinks that Israel returning to pre-1967 borders would eliminate these fourteen centuries old sentiments should spend a few hours on the Memri TV website, watching these clips. Read the quotes on the Palestinian Media Watch site - see what the Palestinian people are hearing, what they are reading and seeing (both in Gaza, and under the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank). This could be extended to the entire Muslim world.
Peace-loving voices, voices of conciliation, have no place in Islam, and are evident only by their non-existence.
Israel did, after all, open its borders to Gazan workers, allowing those who were thought to be unthreatening to seek employment and perform that work within Israel on a daily basis.
As noted by the Institute for National Security Studies, "In October 2021, as the COVID-19 pandemic ebbed, the Israeli government decided to resume Gazan employment in Israel. Currently, about 11,000 Gazan workers have entry permits and are employed informally.
In March 2022 the government decided to regulate Gazan employment in Israel and allocate 20,000 work permits to Gazans, 12,000 for the construction industry and 8,000 for agriculture. The permits are given to married Gazans aged 25 and up who have passed a security check."
This accomplished nothing.
Those who speculate, "The situation in Gaza is more complex, but, if Israel returned the West Bank [Judea - Samaria] to the Palestinians, there would be peace."
Hardly.
There are more than 500,000 Israelis currently live in the West Bank. A Palestinian state would demand that every last Jew uproot and leave. It must be Judenfrei (German for “free of Jews”). In stark contrast, there are roughly two million Arabs (pseudo Palestinians) living in Israel, enjoying a higher standard of living than is possible for them anywhere in the Arab world - If the Arabs would take them in.
Sooo, Palestinian Arabs can live in a Jewish state, but Jews cannot live in a Palestinian Arab state.
The 1948 rebirth of the State of Israel was, is, and will always be, within the entire Palestinian and Muslim-Arab world, "Al-Nakba," the Catastrophe.
This is confirmed in the chant being heard around the world: “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free.”
That would means no more Israel, even with pre-1967 borders. That is not going to happen.
That is a rejection of the 76 year old UN 1947 Plan of Partition that catapulted the rebirth of the State of Israel.
They intend that there be no homeland for the Jews.
The protesters are chanting what Muslim crowds call for, and all Palestinian sympathizers desire. "Jews, go home!"
They are home, however, — back in the Promised Land, their ancient one and only homeland. And no one can move them or force them to leave. They have come home for good. God said so.
In saying this, the struggles of the Arab pretense-Palestinian people can not be diminished. However, they knowingly set themselves up to live a lie. They are not nor have they ever been the owners of the land of
Israel, because of prior ownership.
It cannot be claimed, nor is it, that Israel has always been perfectly ethical and righteous in all its dealings with the Palestinians, or its other "neighbors."
There is no viable peace plan for Israel and the Middle East to be presented, because God has preemptively overruled it.
He wrote a book.
It is set in stone.[/quote]
Oct 20, 2023 12:09:04 #
keepuphope
Loc: Idaho
[quote=Zemirah]Because Biblical literacy continues to drastically decrease in the midst of the "Christian world," ignorance of God’s Word, especially His prophetic revelation of the future of Israel and the nations of this earth, is rampant.
There is a worldwide purported belief that if Israel would only give back the territories it captured during the Six Day War in 1967, then peace would come to the Middle East. This is demonstrably false, and has been so proven by a chant now being acclaimed throughout the world: "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free."
Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in 1982 after Egypt recognized Israel as a legitimate sovereign state.
This is the strategically important land bordering Israel on the south, forming the southern border of Gaza. Even so, Israel gave that land up to Egypt for peace.
The other territories that Israel occupied after 1967 were the Gaza Strip and the "West Bank" of the Jordan, the latter is Judea and Samaria in the days of the Bible.
In 2005, Israel gave Gaza back to the Palestinians. (before the Six Day War, the Palestinians were known simply as Arabs, since there was not and had never been a Palestinian national identity, or a Palestinian government; a few of the local Arab inhabitants had remained for generations as Arabs.)
[b]In 2006, the Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas as their leadership although Hamas was explicitly formed in 1987 with the sole purpose of obliterating Israel.]/b] It is contained in their original charter.
The concept of "land for peace" is a lie on the part of the Arabs.
Israel's attempt to co-exist for 76 years with families next door who believe they have no right to be in their home or even in the land, and expressly and repeatedly state, "We will drive you out or murder you" has finally reached it's expiration date.
That’s what Israel, who drove their own settlers from the land and bulldozed their homes, in order to give it to the Arabs, has received in appreciation from them since 2006.
The refrain is now heard, "But they still deny Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, and the captives of
Hamas - the population who label themselves Palestinians, but are Arabs who migrated from neighboring lands, the right to pass freely, at will, in and out of Israel, thus restricting their access to the outside world."
True, for one reason only: Hamas has vowed to slaughter all Israelis, and Hamas rules Gaza. Does any rational person believe that Israel should or will agree to immediately remove all their defenses and open wide their borders to fanatical, merciless terrorists who wish only to annihilate them?
October 7th has just shown us the extreme and utter folly of that.
It should never be forgotten that Hamas has training camps for their children where they are taught their greatest virtue lies in becoming anti-Israel terrorists and they are given the life's goal of becoming martyrs for this cause. They are, from their earliest days, indoctrinated with hatred for Israel and the Jews. Whole families sing and dance in the streets with great joy when Hamas slaughters innocent Israelis — because in their eyes, all Israelis are vermin.
Jordanian-Palestinian businessman and politician, Talal Abu Ghazaleh, in a Lebanese television interview regarding the Gazan war on October 12th was very candid.
He said, “Israel would not sacrifice a single person. There isn’t a goal for which it would sacrifice a single person. They are afraid of death. Death for them is strange and loathsome. We, on the other hand, welcome death.
A Palestinian carries his son on his shoulders, with a headband on the kid’s forehead, which his father inscribed: ‘Martyrdom Seeker.’ This is a man who says: ‘I want my son to die.’
A Palestinian mother says: ‘I have given birth to six children, so that three could die in the revolution. I gave birth to children so that they would be martyred.’ This does not exist in the Zionist mentality.”
Their inspiration, taken straight from the words of the Qur'an, is the motivation of all of Israel's Muslim enemies.
When the interviewer referenced “the multitudes of innocent civilian victims [in Gaza],” he replied, “How many? Two thousand? The casualties always accumulate, unfortunately... Fine.
How many people did Russia sacrifice in its war against the Nazis? Twenty-seven million. Not just a thousand ...
We haven't gotten to thousands yet. Russia knowingly sacrificed those people. It was no coincidence. It is not that Russia did not know that these people were going to die. It wanted 27 million people to die so that Russia survives. We, Palestinians, are the same.
There are two million people [in Gaza]. If one dies ... I hope I will be one of them. It would be an honor to die as a martyr. But there are two million people in Gaza. Will [Israel] kill two million people? How? Half of them are hidden underground, in tunnels.”
And this was just a casual TV interview, with two people talking about Israel’s war with Hamas.
Abu Ghazaleh also explained, "You cannot defeat someone who wants to die. People who flee from death cannot defeat people who seek death. What happened in Germany in the World War? Entire cities were destroyed. But didn't Germany become later one of the five most wealthy countries in the world? Let them destroy [Gaza]. What is destroyed can be rebuilt. I think that the goal of Hamas's lions of humanity was to cause the demolition of those buildings so that they could be rebuilt properly, according to more aesthetic and newer engineering standards.”
"As to why Hitler only slaughtered 6 million out of 9 million European Jews, it was because he wanted to leave some alive so everyone could realize why he did what he did."
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Anyone who thinks that Israel returning to pre-1967 borders would eliminate these fourteen centuries old sentiments should spend a few hours on the Memri TV website, watching these clips. Read the quotes on the Palestinian Media Watch site - see what the Palestinian people are hearing, what they are reading and seeing (both in Gaza, and under the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank). This could be extended to the entire Muslim world.
Peace-loving voices, voices of conciliation, have no place in Islam, and are evident only by their non-existence.
Israel did, after all, open its borders to Gazan workers, allowing those who were thought to be unthreatening to seek employment and perform that work within Israel on a daily basis.
As noted by the Institute for National Security Studies, "In October 2021, as the COVID-19 pandemic ebbed, the Israeli government decided to resume Gazan employment in Israel. Currently, about 11,000 Gazan workers have entry permits and are employed informally.
In March 2022 the government decided to regulate Gazan employment in Israel and allocate 20,000 work permits to Gazans, 12,000 for the construction industry and 8,000 for agriculture. The permits are given to married Gazans aged 25 and up who have passed a security check."
This accomplished nothing.
Those who speculate, "The situation in Gaza is more complex, but, if Israel returned the West Bank [Judea - Samaria] to the Palestinians, there would be peace."
Hardly.
There are more than 500,000 Israelis currently live in the West Bank. A Palestinian state would demand that every last Jew uproot and leave. It must be Judenfrei (German for “free of Jews”). In stark contrast, there are roughly two million Arabs (pseudo Palestinians) living in Israel, enjoying a higher standard of living than is possible for them anywhere in the Arab world - If the Arabs would take them in.
Sooo, Palestinian Arabs can live in a Jewish state, but Jews cannot live in a Palestinian Arab state.
The 1948 rebirth of the State of Israel was, is, and will always be, within the entire Palestinian and Muslim-Arab world, "Al-Nakba," the Catastrophe.
This is confirmed in the chant being heard around the world: “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free.”
That would means no more Israel, even with pre-1967 borders. That is not going to happen.
That is a rejection of the 76 year old UN 1947 Plan of Partition that catapulted the rebirth of the State of Israel.
They intend that there be no homeland for the Jews.
The protesters are chanting what Muslim crowds call for, and all Palestinian sympathizers desire. "Jews, go home!"
They are home, however, — back in the Promised Land, their ancient one and only homeland. And no one can move them or force them to leave. They have come home for good. God said so.
In saying this, the struggles of the Arab pretense-Palestinian people can not be diminished. However, they knowingly set themselves up to live a lie. They are not nor have they ever been the owners of the land of
Israel, because of prior ownership.
It cannot be claimed, nor is it, that Israel has always been perfectly ethical and righteous in all its dealings with the Palestinians, or its other "neighbors."
There is no viable peace plan for Israel and the Middle East to be presented, because God has preemptively overruled it.
He wrote a book.
It is set in stone.[/quote]
Exactly. Your brain dead if you can't see that. You attribute morals and respect for life to the palestians. And I'm not saying all of them. I believe there are those in Palestine who don't agree with this creed but to outwardly show it endangers their whole family because if your not fanatical your life isn't worth any more than a Jews.
There is a worldwide purported belief that if Israel would only give back the territories it captured during the Six Day War in 1967, then peace would come to the Middle East. This is demonstrably false, and has been so proven by a chant now being acclaimed throughout the world: "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free."
Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in 1982 after Egypt recognized Israel as a legitimate sovereign state.
This is the strategically important land bordering Israel on the south, forming the southern border of Gaza. Even so, Israel gave that land up to Egypt for peace.
The other territories that Israel occupied after 1967 were the Gaza Strip and the "West Bank" of the Jordan, the latter is Judea and Samaria in the days of the Bible.
In 2005, Israel gave Gaza back to the Palestinians. (before the Six Day War, the Palestinians were known simply as Arabs, since there was not and had never been a Palestinian national identity, or a Palestinian government; a few of the local Arab inhabitants had remained for generations as Arabs.)
[b]In 2006, the Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas as their leadership although Hamas was explicitly formed in 1987 with the sole purpose of obliterating Israel.]/b] It is contained in their original charter.
The concept of "land for peace" is a lie on the part of the Arabs.
Israel's attempt to co-exist for 76 years with families next door who believe they have no right to be in their home or even in the land, and expressly and repeatedly state, "We will drive you out or murder you" has finally reached it's expiration date.
That’s what Israel, who drove their own settlers from the land and bulldozed their homes, in order to give it to the Arabs, has received in appreciation from them since 2006.
The refrain is now heard, "But they still deny Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, and the captives of
Hamas - the population who label themselves Palestinians, but are Arabs who migrated from neighboring lands, the right to pass freely, at will, in and out of Israel, thus restricting their access to the outside world."
True, for one reason only: Hamas has vowed to slaughter all Israelis, and Hamas rules Gaza. Does any rational person believe that Israel should or will agree to immediately remove all their defenses and open wide their borders to fanatical, merciless terrorists who wish only to annihilate them?
October 7th has just shown us the extreme and utter folly of that.
It should never be forgotten that Hamas has training camps for their children where they are taught their greatest virtue lies in becoming anti-Israel terrorists and they are given the life's goal of becoming martyrs for this cause. They are, from their earliest days, indoctrinated with hatred for Israel and the Jews. Whole families sing and dance in the streets with great joy when Hamas slaughters innocent Israelis — because in their eyes, all Israelis are vermin.
Jordanian-Palestinian businessman and politician, Talal Abu Ghazaleh, in a Lebanese television interview regarding the Gazan war on October 12th was very candid.
He said, “Israel would not sacrifice a single person. There isn’t a goal for which it would sacrifice a single person. They are afraid of death. Death for them is strange and loathsome. We, on the other hand, welcome death.
A Palestinian carries his son on his shoulders, with a headband on the kid’s forehead, which his father inscribed: ‘Martyrdom Seeker.’ This is a man who says: ‘I want my son to die.’
A Palestinian mother says: ‘I have given birth to six children, so that three could die in the revolution. I gave birth to children so that they would be martyred.’ This does not exist in the Zionist mentality.”
Their inspiration, taken straight from the words of the Qur'an, is the motivation of all of Israel's Muslim enemies.
When the interviewer referenced “the multitudes of innocent civilian victims [in Gaza],” he replied, “How many? Two thousand? The casualties always accumulate, unfortunately... Fine.
How many people did Russia sacrifice in its war against the Nazis? Twenty-seven million. Not just a thousand ...
We haven't gotten to thousands yet. Russia knowingly sacrificed those people. It was no coincidence. It is not that Russia did not know that these people were going to die. It wanted 27 million people to die so that Russia survives. We, Palestinians, are the same.
There are two million people [in Gaza]. If one dies ... I hope I will be one of them. It would be an honor to die as a martyr. But there are two million people in Gaza. Will [Israel] kill two million people? How? Half of them are hidden underground, in tunnels.”
And this was just a casual TV interview, with two people talking about Israel’s war with Hamas.
Abu Ghazaleh also explained, "You cannot defeat someone who wants to die. People who flee from death cannot defeat people who seek death. What happened in Germany in the World War? Entire cities were destroyed. But didn't Germany become later one of the five most wealthy countries in the world? Let them destroy [Gaza]. What is destroyed can be rebuilt. I think that the goal of Hamas's lions of humanity was to cause the demolition of those buildings so that they could be rebuilt properly, according to more aesthetic and newer engineering standards.”
"As to why Hitler only slaughtered 6 million out of 9 million European Jews, it was because he wanted to leave some alive so everyone could realize why he did what he did."
================================
Anyone who thinks that Israel returning to pre-1967 borders would eliminate these fourteen centuries old sentiments should spend a few hours on the Memri TV website, watching these clips. Read the quotes on the Palestinian Media Watch site - see what the Palestinian people are hearing, what they are reading and seeing (both in Gaza, and under the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank). This could be extended to the entire Muslim world.
Peace-loving voices, voices of conciliation, have no place in Islam, and are evident only by their non-existence.
Israel did, after all, open its borders to Gazan workers, allowing those who were thought to be unthreatening to seek employment and perform that work within Israel on a daily basis.
As noted by the Institute for National Security Studies, "In October 2021, as the COVID-19 pandemic ebbed, the Israeli government decided to resume Gazan employment in Israel. Currently, about 11,000 Gazan workers have entry permits and are employed informally.
In March 2022 the government decided to regulate Gazan employment in Israel and allocate 20,000 work permits to Gazans, 12,000 for the construction industry and 8,000 for agriculture. The permits are given to married Gazans aged 25 and up who have passed a security check."
This accomplished nothing.
Those who speculate, "The situation in Gaza is more complex, but, if Israel returned the West Bank [Judea - Samaria] to the Palestinians, there would be peace."
Hardly.
There are more than 500,000 Israelis currently live in the West Bank. A Palestinian state would demand that every last Jew uproot and leave. It must be Judenfrei (German for “free of Jews”). In stark contrast, there are roughly two million Arabs (pseudo Palestinians) living in Israel, enjoying a higher standard of living than is possible for them anywhere in the Arab world - If the Arabs would take them in.
Sooo, Palestinian Arabs can live in a Jewish state, but Jews cannot live in a Palestinian Arab state.
The 1948 rebirth of the State of Israel was, is, and will always be, within the entire Palestinian and Muslim-Arab world, "Al-Nakba," the Catastrophe.
This is confirmed in the chant being heard around the world: “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free.”
That would means no more Israel, even with pre-1967 borders. That is not going to happen.
That is a rejection of the 76 year old UN 1947 Plan of Partition that catapulted the rebirth of the State of Israel.
They intend that there be no homeland for the Jews.
The protesters are chanting what Muslim crowds call for, and all Palestinian sympathizers desire. "Jews, go home!"
They are home, however, — back in the Promised Land, their ancient one and only homeland. And no one can move them or force them to leave. They have come home for good. God said so.
In saying this, the struggles of the Arab pretense-Palestinian people can not be diminished. However, they knowingly set themselves up to live a lie. They are not nor have they ever been the owners of the land of
Israel, because of prior ownership.
It cannot be claimed, nor is it, that Israel has always been perfectly ethical and righteous in all its dealings with the Palestinians, or its other "neighbors."
There is no viable peace plan for Israel and the Middle East to be presented, because God has preemptively overruled it.
He wrote a book.
It is set in stone.[/quote]
Exactly. Your brain dead if you can't see that. You attribute morals and respect for life to the palestians. And I'm not saying all of them. I believe there are those in Palestine who don't agree with this creed but to outwardly show it endangers their whole family because if your not fanatical your life isn't worth any more than a Jews.
Oct 20, 2023 12:46:29 #
To whom are you speaking?
And to what do you refer? If it is to this post, please reread it, because it says nothing of the kind.
There is no such place as Palestine, as is clearly stated above.
There are no morals or respect for life attributed to the Arab Muslims, those who pretend that they are mythical creatures known as Palestinians.
Those who are enslaved to Satan, through the teachings of the Qur'an, are brainwashed from the day they
are born, and they are terrified of being killed by their own family should they even appear to question Islam.
Their religion is totally external.
And to what do you refer? If it is to this post, please reread it, because it says nothing of the kind.
There is no such place as Palestine, as is clearly stated above.
There are no morals or respect for life attributed to the Arab Muslims, those who pretend that they are mythical creatures known as Palestinians.
Those who are enslaved to Satan, through the teachings of the Qur'an, are brainwashed from the day they
are born, and they are terrified of being killed by their own family should they even appear to question Islam.
Their religion is totally external.
keepuphope wrote:
Exactly. Your brain dead if you can't see that. You attribute morals and respect for life to the palestians. And I'm not saying all of them. I believe there are those in Palestine who don't agree with this creed but to outwardly show it endangers their whole family because if your not fanatical your life isn't worth any more than a Jews.
Oct 20, 2023 12:59:40 #
keepuphope
Loc: Idaho
Zemirah wrote:
To whom are you speaking? br br And to what do yo... (show quote)
I understood your text and agree with you. When I state the Palestinian people I'm referring to the worlds view of them. I agree with every word of the bible and perhaps I could have worded it different as it came across to you that I believe as they do, but I also believe there are those " palestinians" that would choose to live in peace with Israel. For those people I pray God would reveal Himself and they would be saved and protected. Is that more clear to you,I hope? The Muslim religion in today's society is demon led not led by the Lord God Almighty.
Oct 20, 2023 13:41:16 #
keepuphope wrote:
I understood your text and agree with you. When I ... (show quote)
The Qur'an is Satanic from the first page to the last. An Arabic Muslim student from the United Arab Emirates 1st gave me a copy of it forty four years ago, in 1979, and the first thing I did with it was turn to the back pages, to the index.
The Holy Bible says that God is love. In the index to the Qur'an, the word, love, does not appear.
Judgment and Wrath, however, occupy pages. Their deity is a remote unapproachable little "g" god of
hatred, wrath and judgment, first known to the ancient world as the moon god of Mesopotamia 4,000 years ago.
Winston Churchill, in his book, ― "The River War," written in 1898, spoke scathingly of Islam, and the Qur'an:
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.
It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.” [Winston Churchill]
Oct 20, 2023 14:02:08 #
keepuphope
Loc: Idaho
Zemirah wrote:
The Qur'an is Satanic from the first page to the l... (show quote)
I also agree that the Muslim faith because of a so called prophet who was demon possessed is Satan's army. Good post I learned alot. Although I don't know as much as you about their faith it is clear to see it is the opposite of the one true God's precepts.
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