Hawaii fire: Everyone can feel sorry for those that were in any way victimized by the Hawaii fire. But we still have to look around and say, it has happened before. I live in Chicago...

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

Everyone can feel sorry for those that were in any way victimized by the Hawaii fire. But we still have to look around and say, it has happened before.

I live in Chicago and it 1871, Oct 8, the Great Chicago Fire started and consumed a broad area of Chicago, killing about 300 people. It covered about 3 square miles of congested inner city and 1/3 of Chicagoans were left homeless. It was fueled by mostly wooden homes, drought conditions and high winds.

Also that same date there was another devastating fire 250 miles north in Peshtigo that consumed the town and a dozen other villages and consumed 1.5 million acres. Up to 2500 people lost their lives, while many took refuge in Lake Michigan.

Meanwhile across Lake Michigan there were other massive fires that wiped out Holland and Manistee Michigan. There were other massive fires in the area that day or few days in Port Huron Michigan, Urbana Illinois and Windsor Ontario.

Apparently climate change, drought and high winds, have happened before with devastating results.

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Kevyn

LogicallyRight wrote:

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Try and find a time when Europe the U.S. and Canada all had these enormous wildfires simultaneously. The average temperature on earth in July was the highest in recorded history. For the idiots who suggest man cannot have profound effects on the environment think back to the dust bowl when foolish farming process caused dust storms across the nation. Man made climate change is real and it is causing and amplifying natural disasters.

MidnightRider

LogicallyRight wrote:

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No, the government using DEW weaponry is the cause. Why do you think everyone was so quiet? At first I thought like California, a sucky forestry program, but no, this was too fast.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Kevyn wrote:

Try and find a time when Europe the U.S. and Canada all had these enormous wildfires simultaneously. The average temperature on earth in July was the highest in recorded history. For the idiots who suggest man cannot have profound effects on the environment think back to the dust bowl when foolish farming process caused dust storms across the nation. Man made climate change is real and it is causing and amplifying natural disasters.

Where were those temps recorded, Kyvvie? I mean, where were the thermometers actually placed in order to obtain desired results?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

MidnightRider wrote:

No, the government using DEW weaponry is the cause. Why do you think everyone was so quiet? At first I thought like California, a sucky forestry program, but no, this was too fast.

Boolshit!

Deadly wildfires fueled by hot, dry, and windy weather conditions devastated parts of the Hawaiian island of Maui in early August 2023, killing at least 53 people, as of this writing, and causing widespread damage in the historic town of Lahaina. As dramatic first-person accounts and photographs of the conflagration spread on social media, so did rumors and conspiracy theories about what caused it. Borrowing a conspiracist trope that first emerged during the 2020-21 California wildfires, a number of accounts on the social media platform X (formerly known as Twitter), as well as Instagram and Facebook, posited that the fires must have been started by a so-called "direct energy weapon".

eden

It’s difficult to countenance a segue into culture war issues in the light of the realities on the ground in Lahaina today where there is no power, cell phone reception, landlines, fuel, propane, water or a replacement shelter for the home you lost in the fire. Thousands of people are displaced and temporarily housed in gymnasiums at schools on the other side of the island. Some families have been flown out to other islands to stay with relatives, some residents have flown back to the US mainland after losing employment in westside hotels that have no fuel for back up generators, no potable water supply and little food left. Around 4000 tourists were bussed on Friday to the airport in the Central Valley and put on special flights to mainland destinations.
More than a thousand people are unaccounted for including many friends and clients in the Lahaina area. I had lunch at an oceanside restaurant two days before the fire that is now part of the boulevard of ashes that was once the bustling Front Street tourist area.The death toll is hovering around 100 and expected to climb higher, the hospital morgue is overwhelmed and refrigerated trucks have been repurposed to cope with the overflow, There is a shortage of body bags and extras are being flown in from Honolulu.

The island economy, once the most vibrant in the state will probably take a major hit over the next few months. The causes of the catastrophe are already being debated but in some sense it was just the perfect storm. A freak wind condition generated by a peripheral offshore Hurricane Dora coupled by dried out non native grasses combusting from unknown causes but probably electrical from downed power lines….who knows.

To the oblique suggestion in your post that seems to question man-made climate change I would suggest paying attention to acknowledged experts in the field of climate science by plurality. That is to say the majority. There are always outliers and contrarians who seek attention or profit by going against mainstream thought. Once in a while there is a differing opinion that turns out to be right but history suggests that to be rare.

Eden. 40 year resident of Maui.

eden

MidnightRider wrote:

No, the government using DEW weaponry is the cause. Why do you think everyone was so quiet? At first I thought like California, a sucky forestry program, but no, this was too fast.

Your ignorance in relation to the Maui Fire is palpable.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Tell it to the dinosaurs. Just what is your workable solution? You little whining baby.

Kevyn wrote:

Try and find a time when Europe the U.S. and Canada all had these enormous wildfires simultaneously. The average temperature on earth in July was the highest in recorded history. For the idiots who suggest man cannot have profound effects on the environment think back to the dust bowl when foolish farming process caused dust storms across the nation. Man made climate change is real and it is causing and amplifying natural disasters.

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

Kevyn wrote:

Try and find a time when Europe the U.S. and Canada all had these enormous wildfires simultaneously. The average temperature on earth in July was the highest in recorded history. For the idiots who suggest man cannot have profound effects on the environment think back to the dust bowl when foolish farming process caused dust storms across the nation. Man made climate change is real and it is causing and amplifying natural disasters.

The dust storms of the 30s were also due to massive droughts and a very hot period for several years. Many of our record highs, even away from the plains and the dust bowl, were set in that period.

Drue-Marie

eden wrote:

It’s difficult to countenance a segue into culture war issues in the light of the realities on the ground in Lahaina today where there is no power, cell phone reception, landlines, fuel, propane, water or a replacement shelter for the home you lost in the fire. Thousands of people are displaced and temporarily housed in gymnasiums at schools on the other side of the island. Some families have been flown out to other islands to stay with relatives, some residents have flown back to the US mainland after losing employment in westside hotels that have no fuel for back up generators, no potable water supply and little food left. Around 4000 tourists were bussed on Friday to the airport in the Central Valley and put on special flights to mainland destinations.
More than a thousand people are unaccounted for including many friends and clients in the Lahaina area. I had lunch at an oceanside restaurant two days before the fire that is now part of the boulevard of ashes that was once the bustling Front Street tourist area.The death toll is hovering around 100 and expected to climb higher, the hospital morgue is overwhelmed and refrigerated trucks have been repurposed to cope with the overflow, There is a shortage of body bags and extras are being flown in from Honolulu.

The island economy, once the most vibrant in the state will probably take a major hit over the next few months. The causes of the catastrophe are already being debated but in some sense it was just the perfect storm. A freak wind condition generated by a peripheral offshore Hurricane Dora coupled by dried out non native grasses combusting from unknown causes but probably electrical from downed power lines….who knows.

To the oblique suggestion in your post that seems to question man-made climate change I would suggest paying attention to acknowledged experts in the field of climate science by plurality. That is to say the majority. There are always outliers and contrarians who seek attention or profit by going against mainstream thought. Once in a while there is a differing opinion that turns out to be right but history suggests that to be rare.

Eden. 40 year resident of Maui.

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I am immensely saddened by the lost souls from Maui's Lahaina Soul. I have no words for the loss.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

eden wrote:

It’s difficult to countenance a segue into culture war issues in the light of the realities on the ground in Lahaina today where there is no power, cell phone reception, landlines, fuel, propane, water or a replacement shelter for the home you lost in the fire. Thousands of people are displaced and temporarily housed in gymnasiums at schools on the other side of the island. Some families have been flown out to other islands to stay with relatives, some residents have flown back to the US mainland after losing employment in westside hotels that have no fuel for back up generators, no potable water supply and little food left. Around 4000 tourists were bussed on Friday to the airport in the Central Valley and put on special flights to mainland destinations.
More than a thousand people are unaccounted for including many friends and clients in the Lahaina area. I had lunch at an oceanside restaurant two days before the fire that is now part of the boulevard of ashes that was once the bustling Front Street tourist area.The death toll is hovering around 100 and expected to climb higher, the hospital morgue is overwhelmed and refrigerated trucks have been repurposed to cope with the overflow, There is a shortage of body bags and extras are being flown in from Honolulu.

The island economy, once the most vibrant in the state will probably take a major hit over the next few months. The causes of the catastrophe are already being debated but in some sense it was just the perfect storm. A freak wind condition generated by a peripheral offshore Hurricane Dora coupled by dried out non native grasses combusting from unknown causes but probably electrical from downed power lines….who knows.

To the oblique suggestion in your post that seems to question man-made climate change I would suggest paying attention to acknowledged experts in the field of climate science by plurality. That is to say the majority. There are always outliers and contrarians who seek attention or profit by going against mainstream thought. Once in a while there is a differing opinion that turns out to be right but history suggests that to be rare.

Eden. 40 year resident of Maui.

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I'm very sorry for what is happening where you live.. I hope your family is ok, Eden...My thoughts and prayers to you and people in Hawaii..🙏

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

MidnightRider wrote:

No, the government using DEW weaponry is the cause. Why do you think everyone was so quiet? At first I thought like California, a sucky forestry program, but no, this was too fast.

Don't know what cause these fires in 2022/2023. but in 1871, drought and high winds caused these disasters and that was way before the Industrial Revolution. More like cyclical climate changes and random weather patterns.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Kevyn wrote:

Try and find a time when Europe the U.S. and Canada all had these enormous wildfires simultaneously. The average temperature on earth in July was the highest in recorded history. For the idiots who suggest man cannot have profound effects on the environment think back to the dust bowl when foolish farming process caused dust storms across the nation. Man made climate change is real and it is causing and amplifying natural disasters.

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

eden wrote:

It’s difficult to countenance a segue into culture war issues in the light of the realities on the ground in Lahaina today where there is no power, cell phone reception, landlines, fuel, propane, water or a replacement shelter for the home you lost in the fire. Thousands of people are displaced and temporarily housed in gymnasiums at schools on the other side of the island. Some families have been flown out to other islands to stay with relatives, some residents have flown back to the US mainland after losing employment in westside hotels that have no fuel for back up generators, no potable water supply and little food left. Around 4000 tourists were bussed on Friday to the airport in the Central Valley and put on special flights to mainland destinations.
More than a thousand people are unaccounted for including many friends and clients in the Lahaina area. I had lunch at an oceanside restaurant two days before the fire that is now part of the boulevard of ashes that was once the bustling Front Street tourist area.The death toll is hovering around 100 and expected to climb higher, the hospital morgue is overwhelmed and refrigerated trucks have been repurposed to cope with the overflow, There is a shortage of body bags and extras are being flown in from Honolulu.

The island economy, once the most vibrant in the state will probably take a major hit over the next few months. The causes of the catastrophe are already being debated but in some sense it was just the perfect storm. A freak wind condition generated by a peripheral offshore Hurricane Dora coupled by dried out non native grasses combusting from unknown causes but probably electrical from downed power lines….who knows.

To the oblique suggestion in your post that seems to question man-made climate change I would suggest paying attention to acknowledged experts in the field of climate science by plurality. That is to say the majority. There are always outliers and contrarians who seek attention or profit by going against mainstream thought. Once in a while there is a differing opinion that turns out to be right but history suggests that to be rare.

Eden. 40 year resident of Maui.

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Hence the name Eden. Well, it looks like a slight dip from Eden for awhile. Hope it didn't directly hit you.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Drue-Marie wrote:

I am immensely saddened by the lost souls from Maui's Lahaina Soul. I have no words for the loss.

So far 93 people have died in the Maui fires.

275 Americans die every day from drug overdose,
and so far today, 1500 unborn babies have been killed in their mother's womb,
158 since I started typing this.