Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

Science claims ability to reproduce life a characteristic of life, therefore reproduction in humans is human life. All science agrees on this. It is unanimous. You are completely out of touch with reality, and have no basis for your claims.

Where in the Bible does life begin with fertilization? I doubt it is in the Bible, and just another example of your tenuous grasp on reality.

AvJoe

I will ignore your jabs for a continued discussion of the topic at hand. Paragraph 1 above implys a conclusion on your part that a cloned sheep or any other animal fertilized in a Petri dish is life and therefore cloned humans (if and when perfected) are subject to the same protection as humans from a womb. An how about humans vs animals, is there any difference in terms of when life begins? Since
cloning of "lesser species" now exist and human cloning to a greater degree is comming soon must the same rules appy to cloned humans but not other animals cloned.

I really don't believe you can dismiss the arguments here by a blanket attempt to belittle the author. Where are your careful arguments and documentation. Contrary to your position (and I repeat myself here) science has not come to a definate conclusion and the views are so broad that simply dismissing any view because you do not concur.

Please if you can answer your own uestion

"Where in the Bible does life begin with fertilization? I doubt it is in the Bible, and just another example of your tenuous grasp on reality.[/quote]
Who's reality are we talking about?

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

AvJoe wrote:
I will ignore your jabs for a continued discussion of the topic at hand. Paragraph 1 above implys a conclusion on your part that a cloned sheep or any other animal fertilized in a Petri dish is life and therefore cloned humans (if and when perfected) are subject to the same protection as humans from a womb. An how about humans vs animals, is there any difference in terms of when life begins? Since
cloning of "lesser species" now exist and human cloning to a greater degree is comming soon must the same rules appy I will ignore your jabs for a continued discussion of the topic at hand. Paragraph 1 above implys a conclusion on your part that a cloned sheep or any other animal fertilized in a Petri dish is life and therefore cloned humans (if and when perfected) are subject to the same protection as humans from a womb. An how about humans vs animals, is there any difference in terms of when life begins? Since
cloning of "lesser species" now exist and human cloning to a greater degree is comming soon must the same rules appy to cloned humans but not other animals cloned.
to cloned humans but not other animals cloned.

I really don't believe you can dismiss the arguments here by a blanket attempt to belittle the author. Where are your careful arguments and documentation. Contrary to your position (and I repeat myself here) science has not come to a definate conclusion and the views are so broad that simply dismissing any view because you do not concur.

Please if you can answer your own uestion"

AvJoe--End Mispellings, Improper sentence structure. Falty logic all [sic]

http://infohost.nmt.edu/~klathrop/7characterisitcs_of_life.htm

http://www.sophia.org/7-characteristics-of-life/7-characteristics-of-life-tutorial

http://utahscience.oremjr.alpine.k12.ut.us/sciber00/7th/classify/living/2.htm

http://www.exploratorium.edu/imaging-station/activities/classroom/characteristics/ca_characteristics.php

Your assertion that science has no definition for what constitutes life is patently absurd.

Since you asserted the Bible determines life begins at fertilization, it is your responsibility in a discussion to back up what you say with facts. You asserted my position is a religious one, not me. Back up your assertions or back off them.

Where is any documentation for anything you have asserted?

Yankee Clipper

Augustus, you're wasting your time and efforts with this guy. He wants to put you on the defense using a social issue.

Yankee Clipper

AvJoe

You keep throwing the argument back to me while refusing to further your own argument. Where is the body of scientific evidence? You are right Yankee I am wasting
my time arguing with some one who continually deflects the arguments instead of trying to make his point-exactly what I am accused of. You are the one who wants to change the law for both believers and non-believers and therefore should suffer the burden of proof.

As for my grammar and spelling, I try to do these correctly but should not expect to be marked on grammar like some kid. As I have said before this criticism of grammar is being used to deflect from the real issue.

Augustus, if you have a real argument state it!

AvJoe

Augustus, I have made copies of your references and will reread and respond shortly.

Yankee Clipper

AvJoe

Yankee first, my response to you was in answer to your comment to Augustus. Secondly, and this is directed to you, who are you to tell anyone what may and may not be an acceptable catagory for a certain page. WHO DIED AND LEFT YOU IN CHARGE!

Yankee Clipper

ABBAsFernando Loc: Ohio

AvJoe

Dear Yankee and anyone else who wishes to participate. At Yankee's request I have started a new page (ABORTION.......) for the purpose of discussing abortion and the related issues of when life begins etc.

Come one, come all. It's going to be an explosive site.

Yankee Clipper

I'll be over there, and I hope your topic creates lots of conversations. I also say thank you for taking the suggestion.

user1092

China is not communist. It's probably more capitalist than the US.
The party in charge refers to itself as the communist party, but their actions have nothing to do with communism.

If they really tried to implement communism in China at this time, the country would collapse. And they know it.

They are building a non-free capitalist nation. They want the market economy, but not political choice. This is not communism, and it's definitely not Marxism.

Nobody in the ruling class of any country would ever support Marxism. Not in the US and not in China. As going down the Marxist path would require for the ruling class to be turned into the enemies of the state and stripped of all their assets.

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

Marxism is created by the revolution, like Mao Zedong's revolution. The one party system is Marxist. Total control by the government of commerce is Marxist, from who will work in the fields, factories, and shops to when, where, how, and to and from whom one may sell and buy. I do not know if it is "communist" or "socialist," but it is the goal of Marx's pamphlet come to earth from the abyss.

AvJoe

Sorry but you are the one out of touch with reality. If that is the criteria you wish to set (reproductive capability) than children would not be human until they reach pre-teen age. Your argument has no merrit and you use personal atacks instead of valid arguments. At this point I would just like to curse you out or dismiss you as an Ass with the brain power of a flea. If youevery want to discuss something rather than act like some spoiled six year old you come back. Intil then a dunce cap would be most appropriate.