WEBCO

There are no Republicans on the kangaroo court. First time nominees have not been allowed, why is that? Wouldn't go along with the narrative? Or would ask to many questions that aren't allowed to be asked?

kemmer

This is NOT a trial, this is a hearing, listening to witnesses testify as to what happened and why. Before it even started, everyone knew how thrilled Trump was, watching the chaos and assaults at the Capitol on TV.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

microphor Loc: Home is TN

kemmer

There are 2; probably the only Republicans in Congress with any integrity who aren’t terrified of Trump.

WEBCO

No there are 2 house members that Nancy Pelosi picked from a party other than hers. One isn't runninrunning again and the other is going to lose in her campaign. But neither are conservative.

P Lightfoot Loc: DEPLOYED ON STATION

Its all an illegal committee ( comedy ) anyway

microphor Loc: Home is TN

what else could you say, if they go along with what you want "they must be the good guys". They could just as well be holding a grudge toward Trump because he didn't pander to them?

kemmer

IOW, neither is scared of Trump.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Buncha bullshit right here. Trump KNEW the election wasn't stolen from him? PROVE that!!
I know it was stolen. In my heart, I KNOW it was.
You can believe the state owned media, and the power players all you want, but it's pretty obvious to me.
Now, we're FKD.

WEBCO

Why are you?

Wildlandfirefighter

It's not bullshit Arch. The Big Lie is what is bullshit. How you people can still have such dense blinders on at this late date is beyond me.

I urge you all to read the document in the link below. This is an in depth analysis of the claim the election was stolen. It goes over every single court case and just about every single one of the hundreds of false claims and conspiracy theories that all you people here on opp like to bring up as their "proof" of the election being stolen, and if proves them all wrong and actually explains why Trump lost. It has in depth sections on what happened in each of the states that caused his loss, and the bottom line was Trump lost because he is Trump and more people were sick and tired of his drama and bullshit than were still enamored with him. January 6 was sadly the last desperate act of Trump to stay in power when all other options had been exhausted.

This report was compiled and written by a group of very well known and highly thought of conservation judges, lawyers and senators, all of whom are long term conservative republicans.

If you can't see the light after a thorough review of this document then there simply is no help for you.

https://www.newsweek.com/republican-judges-lawyers-conclude-2020-election-was-lost-not-stolen-1724826

https://lostnotstolen.org//wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Lost-Not-Stolen-The-Conservative-Case-that-Trump-Lost-and-Biden-Won-the-2020-Presidential-Election-July-2022.pdf

Here are a few excepts that you might find very interesting:

"Our conclusion is unequivocal: Joe Biden was the
choice of a majority of the Electors, who themselves were the choice of the majority of voters in
their states. Biden’s victory is easily explained by a political landscape that was much different in
2020 than it was when President Trump narrowly won the presidency in 2016. President Trump
waged his campaign for re-election during a devastating worldwide pandemic that caused a
severe downturn in the global economy. This, coupled with an electorate that included a small
but statistically significant number willing to vote for other Republican candidates on the ballot
but not for President Trump, are the reasons his campaign fell short, not a fraudulent election.

In the past 30 years, those tasked with administering our elections have helped create a
modern election system in which we can and should have confidence. In all fifty states and at the
national level there are transparent recount and election contest procedures designed to allow
candidates to investigate and litigate claims of voter fraud and corruption. Those procedures have
been tested in every presidential election since at least 2000 and have been found in every
instance to be sound and reliable. The Trump Campaign and its supporters had full access to
these remedies and used them in 64 proceedings in the states we examine, and in each instance,
their claims of fraud and miscount failed. Our review of each of these Trump charges affirms that
the 2020 election was administered by trained professionals who reaffirmed their established
track record for fairness.

As part of his post-election attempts to retain the presidency, Donald Trump and his
supporters filed 64 cases containing 187 counts in the six key battleground states, in addition to
utilizing some of the recount and contest procedures available to them under state law. The
former president maintains to this day that the 2020 election was stolen and the results
fraudulent.

Fraud, irregularities, and procedural deficiencies formed the basis for challenging the results
in five of the six highly contested Electoral College battleground states of Arizona (page 7),
Georgia (page 27), Michigan (page 36), Nevada (page 47), and Wisconsin (page 64). In
Pennsylvania (page 53), Trump verbally attacked the elections as fraudulent, but his lawyers
never filed such charges in court.

Of the 64 cases brought by Trump and his supporters, twenty were dismissed before a
hearing on the merits, fourteen were voluntarily dismissed by Trump and his supporters before a
hearing on the merits, and 30 cases included a hearing on the merits. Only in one Pennsylvania
case involving far too few votes to overturn the results did Trump and his supporters prevail.

In our system of government, these cases provided the forums in which Trump and his
supporters could and should have proven their claims. This Report shows that those efforts failed
because of a lack of evidence and not because of erroneous rulings or unfair judges. Judges,
legislators, and other election officers, often including members of his own party, gave Trump
ample time and every opportunity to present evidence to make his case. Post-election audits or
reviews in each state also failed to show any irregularities or fraud that would overturn the
electoral results. In many cases, after making extravagant claims of wrongdoing, Trump’s legal
representatives showed up in court or state proceedings empty-handed, and then returned to their
rallies and media campaigns to repeat the same unsupported claims.

After reviewing the evidence presented in each court case and the post-election reviews with
this lens, certain patterns emerge. Most obvious is that the former president’s rhetoric—before,
during and after the election—was not supported by the legal cases he tried to make or any
evidence he introduced. Cases and reviews in the six battleground states included similar charges
and similar dismissals by federal and state courts.

Post-election reviews and audits: In addition to the numerous legal cases, the six states
conducted post-election reviews at the insistence of or because of the Trump allegations. This
Report discusses those efforts, which also failed to support the allegations from Trump and his
supporters:

Arizona: Cyber Ninjas review, pages 7–10, 16.
Georgia: The Secretary of State manually recounted all five million ballots cast (page 27)
and conducted a post-election audit.
Michigan: Separate post-election investigations by a Michigan State Senate committee
chaired by Republican Ed McBloom, pages 36–40, and Michigan’s Office of the Auditor
General, pages 36, 37.
Nevada: Republican Secretary of State investigations of voting complaints, page 47.
Pennsylvania: A statewide risk-limiting audit in February 2021, page 54. Republican state
senators pursued a forensic audit that has yielded no evidence to date, page 54.
Wisconsin: The Wisconsin Legislative Audit Bureau, a non-partisan, independent body,
found no evidence of widespread fraud to alter the election results, page 64. The
conservative Wisconsin Institute for Law & Liberty likewise found no evidence of
widespread voter fraud and no evidence of significant problems with voting machines,
page 64. Wisconsin House Republicans hired a former state Supreme Court justice to
examine the election; an interim report cited no evidence of fraudulent votes sufficient to
overturn the results, page 65.

As this Report notes, in five of the six battleground states, analyses have shown that Trump
lost not because of fraud but because a small but significant subset of Republican voters
supported the GOP’s candidates down-ballot but did not vote for Trump. In many instances,
Republican candidates other than Trump won despite being subject to the same alleged
fraudulent systems that Trump supporters declaim. See pages 7, 27, 36, 53, and 64.

Arizona
Donald Trump and his supporters brought eight cases with 29 total counts challenging the
results showing he lost Arizona. All were unsuccessful. Subsequently, an Arizona State Senate
post-election review conducted by the firm Cyber Ninjas (a private firm hand-picked by the
Trump forces) provided Donald Trump and his supporters every opportunity to demonstrate the
fraud and irregularities they claimed but could not prove in post-election legal challenges. The
Cyber Ninjas’ final analysis reaffirmed Trump’s loss, claiming 99 additional votes for Biden and
261 fewer votes for Trump.

Biden outperformed Clinton’s 2016 results, and Trump performed worse than he had in 2016.
President Biden carried Arizona by a margin of 10,457 votes out of 3.4 million cast in the 2020
Presidential Election, official results from Arizona elections officials show.5 Biden received
49.4% of the vote.6 Trump received 49.0%.7 In 2016, Trump carried Arizona by a margin of
approximately 91,000 votes out of almost 2,605,000 votes cast.8 Trump received 48.1% of the
vote in 2016.9 Hillary Clinton received 44.6%.10 Disaffection for Trump among Republican
voters led to ticket-splitting that hurt Trump and helped Biden. Nearly 60,000 voters did not
vote for Trump even though they voted Republican down-ballot; of these, 39,000 voted for
Biden. Considering only the two most populous counties in the state, more than 74,000
disaffected Republicans did not vote for Trump in 2020; 65% of these (48,577 votes) voted for
Biden; those 48,577 votes alone represent 4.6 times Biden’s margin of victory over Trump.

Michigan
Donald Trump’s supporters brought nine cases with 31 counts challenging the results in
Michigan. They were not successful in any of those actions. A Michigan State Senate committee
chaired by a Republican Senator examined the charges of fraud and irregularities made by Trump
and his supporters and found none of them meritorious. Michigan’s Office of the Auditor
General, whose head was appointed by the Republican-led legislature, issued a report March 4,
2022, rebutting a principal charge of Trump and his supporters: that a significant number of
fraudulent votes were cast on behalf of dead people in the state’s 2020 Presidential Election.
According to Michigan election officials who certified the results, President Biden carried
Michigan by a margin of 154,188 votes out of 5.5 million cast. Biden received 50.6% of the
vote and Trump received 47.8%. In 2016, Trump carried Michigan by a margin of 10,700
votes out of roughly five million cast. Trump received 47.3% of the vote. Clinton received
47.0%.

Biden’s victory is attributed to gains in suburban counties, especially those in Detroit
suburbs, as well as strength in urban cores and small metropolitan areas. Trump increased his
share of votes in 63 of the state’s 83 counties, winning 73 counties; but Trump won fewer
counties than the 75 he took in 2016, and the counties he did win are sparse in population. In
addition, support for third-party candidates dwindled from 5% of the vote in 2016 to just 1.5% in
2020.

Nevada
Donald Trump or his supporters brought ten cases with 28 counts challenging the results in
Nevada. Despite one of his key supporters claiming that in Nevada “we have thousands and
thousands of examples of real people in real-life instances of voter illegality” and that Nevada
was “the big treasure trove of illegal balloting in all of ” the states Trump contested,185 as detailed
below, Trump and his supporters were unsuccessful in proving fraud or irregularities sufficient to
overturn the election results in any court or investigation.

According to Nevada election officials who certified the results, President Biden carried
Nevada by a margin of 33,596 votes over Trump, out of nearly 1.4 million votes cast. Biden
received 50.1% of the vote. Trump received 47.7% of the vote. In 2016, Clinton carried
Nevada by a margin of 27,202 votes out of approximately 1.125 million votes cast, receiving
47.9% of the vote to Trump’s 45.5%. Biden’s win in Nevada, like Clinton’s, is attributable to a reliable base of Democrats in southern Nevada. He performed far better with Latina women than Latino men and
outperformed Trump with independents.

The Nevada Secretary of State, a Republican, conducted numerous investigations of the
election results, based on nearly 300 election complaints submitted by Trump and his supporters
between September 2020 and March 2021. Those investigations repeatedly confirmed the
integrity of the election, finding no allegations of election misconduct that would have any
impact on the election results. In December 2020, the Secretary of State announced that her
office had uncovered evidence of several isolated cases of possible voter fraud but had not
uncovered evidence of any large-scale fraud that would affect the outcome of the presidential
election.

Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania was one of two states whose Electors were formally challenged during the joint
session of Congress on January 6, 2021, and was also the focus of a number of lawsuits and
public claims. Donald Trump and his supporters brought nineteen cases with over 45 counts
challenging the results showing that he lost Pennsylvania. Putting aside the claims challenging,
wholesale and without evidence, millions of ballots cast, the number of votes challenged was
significantly smaller than Joe Biden’s official margin of victory; thus, even if every challenge
were meritorious, this would not have been enough to produce a different outcome. No lawsuits
brought by the Trump Campaign or its supporters focused directly on voter fraud and, in many
instances, as described below, plaintiffs acknowledged their challenges were not the product of
or even a signpost for fraud. An Associated Press survey of county elections officials in 2021
found just 26 potential cases of voter fraud in the 2020 election, representing 0.03% of Biden’s
margin of victory.

According to Pennsylvania election officials who certified the results, President Biden
carried Pennsylvania by a margin of 80,555 votes out of 6.9 million cast. Biden received 50% of
the vote. Trump received 48.8%. In 2016, President Trump carried Pennsylvania by a margin
of 44,292 votes out of more than six million cast.212 Trump received 48.2% of the vote. Clinton
received 47.5%.

And there is lots more, every charge in every state has been examined and the reason the case was lost or thrown out is listed, and pretty much all of them were lost because there simply was no evidence of any type of fraud that would have been significant enough to change the outcome. Trumps own legal team withdrew nearly a quarter of the cases they brought!

So come on people, enlighten yourself & come in from the dark. Trump's big lie is just that, a Big Lie and all the proof you need is right here for all to see!

Big Bass

Does Trump confide in you what he watches on TV and what he thinks about it, now. You are such a liar, little man.

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

When you start with bull shit there is no point in reading on

***Firstly, Donald Trump and the Republicans have been repeatedly asked if they wished to participate in bipartisan investigations to look into the events of January 6th, and they have repeatedly refused to do so. Senate Republicans outright declined to form a committee, so the House was forced to do so without their participation. If any of them wished to testify or offer a rebuttal, they would certainly be invited to do so, but the obvious danger is that the House Select Committee was impaneled with Congressional authority, so lying to them is a federal offense.

>>>The Republicans did agree to be a part of the committee. They submitted their list of Republicans just as Pelosi submitted her list of democrats. Naturally she accepted her list of very biased, Trump hating democrats, including the committee chairman who would rule over the Republicans. The Republican's list was disapproved by Pelosi. So the Republicans rightly refused to go along as this was obviously against normal House rules for forming Special Committees. Pelosi then picked two Republicans to make it look like a partisan Committee. But these two Republicans were not bipartisan but very partisan out spoken Trump haters. The panel then proceeded to go on a witch hunt against President Trump and not an investigation over what happened and what went wrong. There never has been any attempt at truth, just finding guilt. Worse then a lynch mob. A lynch mob posing as a legitimate committee.

I can't imagine what other lies you wrote, as your piece isn't worth reading further.

Logically Right

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

And you show what can only look like utter stupidity. Jim Jordan has every right to vote against that illegitimate impeachment hearing. And he had every right to vote against certifying biden's election as democrats have often done in the past. Maybe it doesn't just make you look that way. Maybe you are.