PeterS

Gosh, and I thought Christians and Science were just Kumbaya. So much for the myth of god using science to create the world eh.

And we haven't even touched on the subject on how you CC's are out to destroy our educational system, have we!

https://onlysky.media/hemant-mehta/oklahoma-lawmaker-wants-to-fire-teachers-who-offend-students-religious-beliefs/

Liberty Tree

Total ELWNJ BS spin. Liberalism is already destroying our educational spin.

WinkyTink Loc: Hill Country, TX

I would suggest substituting “has already destroyed,” regrettably.

Liberty Tree

Probably right

PeterS

How, by teaching children the truth?

Bevvy

Good for Oklahoma , hope this catches on in many other states. Teachers should never be allowed to teach their
"religion" in school .... remember - separation of church and state !

American Vet

But this is OK....

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

Let's examine some of the consequences shall we?

A biology teacher who explains evolution could be ratted out by a Creationist who’s failing science class. Evolution is highly controversial, and the books on the subject have not been updated for 40 years, hence they are today teaching a false theory.

A health teacher who educates students about different forms of birth control won’t be in that classroom for very long if an abstinence-promoting teenager is on the roster. [i] Why isn't the health teacher promoting abstinence? Sex education properly is the job of parents, and they themselves need to be educated on their duties as parents!

A history teacher who correctly describes the Founding Fathers as a mix of religious and non-religious individuals could be a target of conservative evangelicals who believe Christian pseudo-historian David Barton’s lies. Tell me why that even makes any difference after 240 or so years!

An English teacher who wants to challenge kids with controversial thought-provoking literature would be forced to stick to only the blandest books. From way back there have been Libraries containing thought-provoking books on just about everything, and very good reading lists, geared to age groups, have existed just as long. There is an enormous collection of classics that treat most everything of importance to life that can be used, without overloading students at their intellectual age, or attempting to insert bias into the students minds.

Give it time and the students would find reason to oppose math, too. The bill is vague enough to give them that leeway. Seems to be happening with something called emotional math under the CRT nonsense. This kind of teaching will screw up a whole generation of potential scientists, engineers, mathematicians, accountants, and homeowners. Math should be taught in the traditional manner, with better aids to learning in the classical way.

School Boards, Parents, and teachers should adopt the idea that they are teaching students to think for themselves, learn to analyze propositions with logic, and how to uses the resources available to them today. They should not ever attempt to bias students to their own way of thinking, especially if it goes against the proper norms of our society. Let the students explore for themselves and sow them how.

RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit

[quote=manning5]Let's examine some of the consequences shall we?

A biology teacher who explains evolution could be ratted out by a Creationist who’s failing science class. Evolution is highly controversial, and the books on the subject have not been updated for 40 years, hence they are today teaching a false theory.

A health teacher who educates students about different forms of birth control won’t be in that classroom for very long if an abstinence-promoting teenager is on the roster. [i] Why isn't the health teacher promoting abstinence? Sex education properly is the job of parents, and they themselves need to be educated on their duties as parents!

A history teacher who correctly describes the Founding Fathers as a mix of religious and non-religious individuals could be a target of conservative evangelicals who believe Christian pseudo-historian David Barton’s lies. Tell me why that even makes any difference after 240 or so years!

An English teacher who wants to challenge kids with controversial thought-provoking literature would be forced to stick to only the blandest books. From way back there have been Libraries containing thought-provoking books on just about everything, and very good reading lists, geared to age groups, have existed just as long. There is an enormous collection of classics that treat most everything of importance to life that can be used, without overloading students at their intellectual age, or attempting to insert bias into the students minds.

Give it time and the students would find reason to oppose math, too. The bill is vague enough to give them that leeway. Seems to be happening with something called emotional math under the CRT nonsense. This kind of teaching will screw up a whole generation of potential scientists, engineers, mathematicians, accountants, and homeowners. Math should be taught in the traditional manner, with better aids to learning in the classical way.

School Boards, Parents, and teachers should adopt the idea that they are teaching students to think for themselves, learn to analyze propositions with logic, and how to uses the resources available to them today. They should not ever attempt to bias students to their own way of thinking, especially if it goes against the proper norms of our society. Let the students explore for themselves and sow them how.[/quote]

American Vet

[quote=manning5]Let's examine some of the consequences shall we?

A biology teacher who explains evolution could be ratted out by a Creationist who’s failing science class. Evolution is highly controversial, and the books on the subject have not been updated for 40 years, hence they are today teaching a false theory.

A health teacher who educates students about different forms of birth control won’t be in that classroom for very long if an abstinence-promoting teenager is on the roster. [i] Why isn't the health teacher promoting abstinence? Sex education properly is the job of parents, and they themselves need to be educated on their duties as parents!

A history teacher who correctly describes the Founding Fathers as a mix of religious and non-religious individuals could be a target of conservative evangelicals who believe Christian pseudo-historian David Barton’s lies. Tell me why that even makes any difference after 240 or so years!

An English teacher who wants to challenge kids with controversial thought-provoking literature would be forced to stick to only the blandest books. From way back there have been Libraries containing thought-provoking books on just about everything, and very good reading lists, geared to age groups, have existed just as long. There is an enormous collection of classics that treat most everything of importance to life that can be used, without overloading students at their intellectual age, or attempting to insert bias into the students minds.

Give it time and the students would find reason to oppose math, too. The bill is vague enough to give them that leeway. Seems to be happening with something called emotional math under the CRT nonsense. This kind of teaching will screw up a whole generation of potential scientists, engineers, mathematicians, accountants, and homeowners. Math should be taught in the traditional manner, with better aids to learning in the classical way.

School Boards, Parents, and teachers should adopt the idea that they are teaching students to think for themselves, learn to analyze propositions with logic, and how to uses the resources available to them today. They should not ever attempt to bias students to their own way of thinking, especially if it goes against the proper norms of our society. Let the students explore for themselves and sow them how.[/quote]

It seems most of this content applies to older students. Children do not begin to have critical thinking skills till about age 11-12. And that is just the 'beginning'.

So teaching students to 'think for themselves' should not even begin till about junior high.

"Parents.....should not ever attempt to bias students to their own way of thinking"???

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

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My mistake! I didn't mean to include parents in that way.

As for K-12, tell me why teachers today are projecting CRT thinking into lower grades. In my opinion, they are practicing what the Catholic Church believes: Give me a child before 7 and I will make him a Catholic for life. Except here it is the racism they are fooling with at very early ages. Young minds can assimilate bias very early, and today they can become very precocious too soon, it seems, aided by the internet. Their critical skills grow, slowly, till it breaks out more fully in their teens. For some, unfortunately, it never engages fully at all. All of the kids I have been close to are very annoyingly questioning literally everything, and the old sufficing answers trick doesn't seem to satisfy them at all. It is a challenge! Another phenomena I have observed is some of the bright and precocious minds appear to reach a plateau at about 8 or 9, or perhaps 10 or later, and they seem to become somewhat indifferent to learning further. That may change after a while, but it is a puzzle to me. Possibly it has to do with discovery of boys or girls!

The basis for math is logic, and we do teach simple math early on. So I suggest it is quite possible to teach some simple logic early on too, which begins the foundation for thinking clearly later on.

RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit

American Vet

Already done - one is teaching simple math - which is logic.

More complex things come later - high school, etc.

And a teacher needs to reach the curriculum - if the child has questions not in line with that - refer the child to their parents. In some cases, the teacher may even need to notify the parents what the child is asking.

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

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As I recall, my early teachers in the 7 grade schools I attended, were not so rigid that they refused to answer many types of questions beyond the curricula, just not ones that probed certain subjects reserved for parents to wrestle with, such as religion, politics, and human sex. It seemed to me that they were teaching the curricula at a faster pace than called for, and spending a lot more time in other learning methods not necessarily from their curricula, because it was their material and not obviously related to any subject at hand; a simple example was the news of the day, and of course, in my time, prayer, and the pledge of allegiance, and about 15 minutes a day was devoted to Q&A on topics we selected and the teacher approved. My schools spanned North and South from DC, to Syracuse and Rome NY, to Tennessee, to Miami, to Oklahoma City, to Dayton, OH. so it was a fair example. The TN one was the least flexible as I recall. OK, this was 1935 to 1943;up to 8th grade, a different world. There were track systems as well, so what i have remembered would not cover the lesser tracks.

I know that I would have enjoyed learning simple syllogistic reasoning after the usual math.

rjoeholl

The truth!? Do you mean like men can get pregnant? People can change their gender whenever they feel like it? Life doesn't start at conception? There are two or three hundred genders? Gender has nothing to do with sex? Six year old kids can decide to have their tallywackers lopped off and they will magically be made happy? THAT kind of TRUTH? Wanglebangle!