For those who believe in Universalism and others: Proving the deity of Jesus Christ
Parky60
Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
The Gospel of John is a beloved gospel. It has been called “a pool in which a child may wade and an elephant may swim.” In fact, only six hundred words from John's vocabulary were used in this book, equivalent to the reading level of a seven-year-old. But its statements are so profound that no philosopher can fathom them.
With that in mind, the first three verses of the gospel of John are so simple, yet for so many are difficult if not impossible to understand. They have to do with the deity of Jesus Christ. I have struggled to explain these verses simply for years but have failed miserably so for me and others the debate of Jesus Christ’s deity has continued. That is until now…
John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
According to the standard Jewish doctrine of that day, God created the universe through his preexistent wisdom/word that existed before the rest of creation but was itself created. Hence, why many don't think that Jesus Christ is God. But what they fail to realize is that the Word was the closest available term John had to describe Jesus Christ. So, it is significant that the John began his gospel with the words: “In the beginning.” He obviously intended that his record should start with the same words as Genesis.
GENESIS
In the beginning God (who existed from all eternity) created the heavens and the earth (with his wisdom/word).
JOHN
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word (wisdom/word) was WITH God (who existed from all eternity), and the Word WAS God.
So, by declaring that the Word was with God; and the Word was God, John went beyond the common Jewish conception of wisdom/word to imply that Jesus Christ was not created but that He is God and is the embodiment of all God's revelation in the Scriptures.
Then to say that He was in the beginning with God in verse 2 is a mere repetition of the Word was with God in verse 1 is a mistake. This verse teaches that Jesus Christ's personality and deity were without beginning just as God’s is in Genesis 1.
And all three Persons of the Godhead were involved in the work of creation:
• Gen. 1:1 says God created the heavens and the earth
• Gen. 1:2 says The Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters
• And has John 1:3 says like in Col. 1:16, All things were created through Him (Jesus Christ) and for Him
Jesus did not become a person for the first time as the Babe of Bethlehem. Nor did He somehow become a god after His resurrection, as some teach today.
He is God from all eternity. He Himself was not a created being; rather He was the Creator of all things. This includes mankind, the animals, the heavenly planets, the angels—all things visible and invisible. Without Him nothing was made that was made.
• So, in the beginning was the Word.
• And the Word was with God.
• And the Word was God.
• And in the beginning, the Word was with God.
• And all things were made through Him.
• And without Him nothing was made that was made.
Parky60 wrote:
John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
You left out the best part:
And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.
Parky60
Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
I thought that you never mocked God you hypocrite.
Parky60 wrote:
The Gospel of John is a beloved gospel. It has been called “a pool in which a child may wade and an elephant may swim.” In fact, only six hundred words from John's vocabulary were used in this book, equivalent to the reading level of a seven-year-old. But its statements are so profound that no philosopher can fathom them.
With that in mind, the first three verses of the gospel of John are so simple, yet for so many are difficult if not impossible to understand. They have to do with the deity of Jesus Christ. I have struggled to explain these verses simply for years but have failed miserably so for me and others the debate of Jesus Christ’s deity has continued. That is until now…
John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
According to the standard Jewish doctrine of that day, God created the universe through his preexistent wisdom/word that existed before the rest of creation but was itself created. Hence, why many don't think that Jesus Christ is God. But what they fail to realize is that the Word was the closest available term John had to describe Jesus Christ. So, it is significant that the John began his gospel with the words: “In the beginning.” He obviously intended that his record should start with the same words as Genesis.
GENESIS
In the beginning God (who existed from all eternity) created the heavens and the earth (with his wisdom/word).
JOHN
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word (wisdom/word) was WITH God (who existed from all eternity), and the Word WAS God.
So, by declaring that the Word was with God; and the Word was God, John went beyond the common Jewish conception of wisdom/word to imply that Jesus Christ was not created but that He is God and is the embodiment of all God's revelation in the Scriptures.
Then to say that He was in the beginning with God in verse 2 is a mere repetition of the Word was with God in verse 1 is a mistake. This verse teaches that Jesus Christ's personality and deity were without beginning just as God’s is in Genesis 1.
And all three Persons of the Godhead were involved in the work of creation:
• Gen. 1:1 says God created the heavens and the earth
• Gen. 1:2 says The Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters
• And has John 1:3 says like in Col. 1:16, All things were created through Him (Jesus Christ) and for Him
Jesus did not become a person for the first time as the Babe of Bethlehem. Nor did He somehow become a god after His resurrection, as some teach today.
He is God from all eternity. He Himself was not a created being; rather He was the Creator of all things. This includes mankind, the animals, the heavenly planets, the angels—all things visible and invisible. Without Him nothing was made that was made.
• So, in the beginning was the Word.
• And the Word was with God.
• And the Word was God.
• And in the beginning, the Word was with God.
• And all things were made through Him.
• And without Him nothing was made that was made.
The Gospel of John is a beloved gospel. It has bee... (
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They didn’t print my response, but I’ll just say simply thanks.
Parky60 wrote:
I thought that you never mocked God you hypocrite.
Canuckus the Chinaman is a Unitarian, he doesn't believe in the Holy Trinity i.e., the divinity of Jesus.
Sad.
Blade_Runner wrote:
Canuckus the Chinaman is a Unitarian, he doesn't believe in the Holy Trinity i.e., the divinity of Jesus.
Sad.
Chinaman
Coming from the descendant of Turkish slave traders I guess I should expect no less....
Parky60
Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I don't
I forgot that you cherry-pick what you like from the Bible and use that and disregard the rest...sorry. But then again it appears that you must not have the reading comprehension of a 7-year-old.
There are none so blind as those that will not see.
Parky60 wrote:
I forgot that you cherry-pick what you like from the Bible and use that and disregard the rest...sorry. But then again it appears that you must not have the reading comprehension of a 7-year-old.
There are none so blind as those that will not see.
It bothers you that God failed to reveal his "tri" self to the Jews...
Truly an odd thing to do...
Choose a people...
Interact with them...
Fail to reveal the most important facet of the religion...
Reading comprehension is a term you had best leave to adults
Parky60
Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
It bothers you that God failed to reveal his "tri" self to the Jews...
Like a good parent, you don't give children what they're not ready for canuckus.
But you being spiritually blind don't see that.
Their eyes are blinded right now...but they'll come to see.
Too bad yours are too. But maybe like them, you'll come around.
Parky60 wrote:
Like a good parent, you don't give children what they're not ready for canuckus.
But you being spiritually blind don't see that.
Their eyes are blinded right now...but they'll come to see.
Too bad yours are too. But maybe like them, you'll come around.
God: I'm actually three unique beings in one self.
Adam: WTF??? I'm not ready for this!!!
Abraham: 3??? 1???? My head hurts!!!
Moses: God or Gods??? Do I need to rewrite the commandments??? Ah!!!!
And so on for thousands of years...
Until...
God: I'm actually three unique beings in one self.
Some Jews and Romans: Oh yeah, that totally makes sense...We get it... Thanks...
😂😂😂
Parky60
Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
God: I'm actually three unique beings in one self.
Adam: WTF??? I'm not ready for this!!!
Abraham: 3??? 1???? My head hurts!!!
Moses: God or Gods??? Do I need to rewrite the commandments??? Ah!!!!
And so on for thousands of years...
Until...
God: I'm actually three unique beings in one self.
Some Jews and Romans: Oh yeah, that totally makes sense...We get it... Thanks...
😂😂😂
Just like you always do canuckus. Can't refute it so you mock it.
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