lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I do as well, yet the argument had all the time is parents......While others say one parent is sufficient...They certainly recognize a child born of illegal parent or parents as a citizen, don't they??? Liberty~~see more on the subject~
There has been much confusion regarding the role that Obama's place of birth (represented by his birth certificate) or parentage (represented by his alien father) plays in his being a "natural born Citizen." A “natural born Citizen” must be born in the United States or what is deemed its equivalent. This is called the jus soli requirement. We know that while Obama maintains that he was born in Hawaii, there exists a considerable amount of evidence that he was born in Kenya. Some argue that Obama has to date not yet conclusively shown that he was born in Hawaii and that on the contrary, he was born in Kenya. They argue that since Obama was born in Kenya, he is not and cannot be a “natural born Citizen.” Hence, some focus on Obama's place of birth as the only factor that needs to be considered in the question of whether he is a "natural born Citizen."

On the other hand, the original and only American common law definition of an Article II "natural born Citizen" is that one must be born in the country or what is deemed its jurisdictional equivalent to U.S. citizen parents (father and mother). Emer de Vattel, The Law of Nations, Or, Principles of the Law of Nature, Applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns (1758), Section 212 (“The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. . . .”). This definition was last confirmed by our U.S. Supreme Court in Minor v. Happersett (1875) and U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898). As we can see, this definition contains two factors, place of birth and citizen parents or what is known as the jus soli and jus sanguinis factors united at the time of birth. While Obama's mother was born in the United States and was a "natural born Citizen," Obama has admitted that under the British Nationality Act 1948, when Obama was born in 1961, his father, who was born in the then-British colony of Kenya, was a British subject/citizen and that Obama himself by descent from his father was also born a British subject/citizen. Hence, since his father was not a United States citizen when Obama was born and he himself was a British subject/citizen by descent from his father, Obama is not and cannot be a “natural born Citizen.” Given Obama’s admission, some therefore focus only on Obama’s parentage (alien father) factor and maintain that it is not necessary to know his place of birth wherever that may be because Obama is not and cannot be a "natural born Citizen" because his father was not a United States citizen when Obama was born. Under this argument, Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” because he is missing the parentage factor, a necessary condition found in the original and only definition of a “natural born Citizen.”

The Fourteenth Amendment citizenship clause also causes further confusion in the Obama eligibility question, for some incorrectly ascribe a controlling effect to it. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that one be born in the United States and be “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” in order to be a born “citizen of the United States” thereunder. The way that the Amendment’s “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” clause is currently interpreted, it does not contain any U.S. citizen parent requirement. But a simple reading of the Amendment’s text shows that it only deals with a “citizen of the United States” and not a “natural born Citizen.” Hence, showing that Obama is a Fourteenth Amendment born “citizen of the United States” (the Fourteenth Amendment born “citizen of the United States” standard) without more is not sufficient to demonstrate that he is an Article II “natural born Citizen” (the Article II “natural born Citizen” standard). Nevertheless, Obama must at least prove that he is a born “citizen of the United States” (born in the United States) before he can prove that he is an Article II “natural born Citizen."

Liberty Tree

The problem is that none of the powers that be have the courage to do the real research and take a stand.

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

lindajoy: I've always professed that the further defining of Natural born Citizen was the intent of Minor v. Happerssett (1875) it is the nail in the coffin on Obama. The Democrat
party by design did not report its homework in vetting this usurper!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Amen to that Liberty..And it makes it just much easier later too~~~Something so needed, cast to the side, and the end result will be "the Obamas'" all over each time~~Rather pathetic.......

I also said the same of Congress earlier,,Have some you know whats and go after the this kind of thing with vengeance..Its not like they don't hold the "purse strings" and could cause a lot of damage of withholding everything that POS wants from them...Blackmail you say?? IF thats' what it takes to fight this radical Islamist, you betcha, baby!!!

Liberty Tree

It is time they quit being intimidated and learned to fight for the good of the country.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Read vaguely familiar to what is discussed???~~
Chester A. Arthur (1829–1886), 21st president of the United States, was rumored to have been born in Canada.[64]His mother, Malvina Stone Arthur, while a native of Berkshire, Vermont, moved with her family to Quebec, where she met and married the future president's father, William Arthur, on April 12, 1821. After the family had settled in Fairfield, Vermont, William Arthur traveled with his eldest daughter to East Stanbridge (Canada) in October 1830 and commuted to Fairfield on Sundays to preach. "It appears that he traveled regularly between the two villages, both of which were close to the Canadian border, for about eighteen months, holding two jobs" (cf. Thomas C. Reeves, "The Mystery of Chester Alan Arthur's Birthplace", Vermont History 38, Montpelier: Vermont Historical Society, p. 295), which may well explain the confusion about Arthur's place of birth, as perhaps did the fact that he was born in Franklin County, and thus literally within a day's walk of the Vermont–Quebec border (cf. William A. DeGregorio, The Complete Book of U.S. Presidents, Random House: 1993, pp. 307–08, ISBN 0-517-08244-6). This was never demonstrated by his Democratic opponents, although Arthur Hinman, an attorney who had investigated Arthur's family history, raised the objection during his vice-presidential campaign and after the end of his presidency, published a book on the subject.[65] Arthur was born in Vermont to a Vermont-born mother and a father from Ireland, who was naturalized as a U.S. citizen in 1843, 14 years after Chester was born. Despite the fact that his parents took up residence in the United States somewhere between 1822 and 1824,[66] Arthur additionally began to claim between 1870 and 1880[67] that he had been born in 1830, rather than in 1829, which only caused minor confusion and was even used in several publications.[68] Arthur was sworn in as president when President Garfield died after being shot.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Amen, or for us to kick their butts to the side and get Constitutionalism back in office.......

Liberty Tree

The Constitution as written and intended is the death of today's liberalism.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

And that is a very good thing~~ :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

And that is a very good thing~~ :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

carolyn

The foreign student registry that Obama had locked away would tell it all if the powers to be would only force him to unlock it.