In what I believe is a marketing ploy my wife got a free copy of ‘The Epic Times’ in the mailbox yesterday. On the front page was an article entitled “Unbuilt Border Wall Could Now Be Sold for Scrap”. This is just another example of government waste. One party wants to do something and after the next election parties change all is undone. Both claim to be righteous but both are wasteful of tax money.
Right or wrong the materials cost a lot of money and are now perhaps to be sold as scrap. The American People are being used to foster the stupid plans or ideas of the people that they elect. It is time to leave the Rep and Dem Parties and join some party that at least is not on a rampage to see whether it can outspend the other.
It being time for the American Public to tell the Rep and Dem Parties that it has become imperative that the other Parties be allowed a seat at the Debates each four years. When that happens the American’s will see there are much better alternatives. Of course that will never happen as then the Rep and Dem parties would be threatened with being ousted. Their mantra is "We are in charge and will never let rational idea see the light of day."
FallenOak wrote:
In what I believe is a marketing ploy my wife got a free copy of ‘The Epic Times’ in the mailbox yesterday. On the front page was an article entitled “Unbuilt Border Wall Could Now Be Sold for Scrap”. This is just another example of government waste. One party wants to do something and after the next election parties change all is undone. Both claim to be righteous but both are wasteful of tax money.
Right or wrong the materials cost a lot of money and are now perhaps to be sold as scrap. The American People are being used to foster the stupid plans or ideas of the people that they elect. It is time to leave the Rep and Dem Parties and join some party that at least is not on a rampage to see whether it can outspend the other.
It being time for the American Public to tell the Rep and Dem Parties that it has become imperative that the other Parties be allowed a seat at the Debates each four years. When that happens the American’s will see there are much better alternatives. Of course that will never happen as then the Rep and Dem parties would be threatened with being ousted. Their mantra is "We are in charge and will never let rational idea see the light of day."
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Everyone needs to join " we, the people " party.
lpnmajor wrote:
Everyone needs to join " we, the people " party.
Don't know that party but it seems to be more inclusive than the Dem and Rep parties. We do need One Nation, Under God, again if we are to survive.
lpnmajor wrote:
Everyone needs to join " we, the people " party.
The party would soon be taken over by the same people running the other major parties. You would gain nothing. If you don't like the parties as they are, you must get involved to change them. The people who made them what they are now did that and are happy.
son of witless wrote:
The party would soon be taken over by the same people running the other major parties. You would gain nothing. If you don't like the parties as they are, you must get involved to change them. The people who made them what they are now did that and are happy.
I have too many years to do that. I have tried in the past with being active but nothing ever has changed. Only, i my opinion, gotten worse. I have for most of my voting life not been in the Rep or Dem parties as I see them as one party intent on gulling the people into thinking they are two parties. You are probably correct in that if another party came to power the ones in the Dem and Rep parties would try to take over there also.
FallenOak wrote:
In what I believe is a marketing ploy my wife got a free copy of ‘The Epic Times’ in the mailbox yesterday. On the front page was an article entitled “Unbuilt Border Wall Could Now Be Sold for Scrap”. This is just another example of government waste. One party wants to do something and after the next election parties change all is undone. Both claim to be righteous but both are wasteful of tax money.
Right or wrong the materials cost a lot of money and are now perhaps to be sold as scrap. The American People are being used to foster the stupid plans or ideas of the people that they elect. It is time to leave the Rep and Dem Parties and join some party that at least is not on a rampage to see whether it can outspend the other.
It being time for the American Public to tell the Rep and Dem Parties that it has become imperative that the other Parties be allowed a seat at the Debates each four years. When that happens the American’s will see there are much better alternatives. Of course that will never happen as then the Rep and Dem parties would be threatened with being ousted. Their mantra is "We are in charge and will never let rational idea see the light of day."
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If you "look"..at a national ballot....there are 'several"...different parties listed to vote for.....UNFORTUNATELY...This country is focused on only "2" parties, & an insignificant "independent" party....of which hardly anyone votes for!
America is a 2 party system, { used to work quite well}...Untill the demoncrats, lost their minds!
McCarthy, had a great idea....{ it was just "before the need in politics"}......Today, McCarthy, could be applauded?
Ronald Hatt wrote:
If you "look"..at a national ballot....there are 'several"...different parties listed to vote for.....UNFORTUNATELY...This country is focused on only "2" parties, & an insignificant "independent" party....of which hardly anyone votes for!
America is a 2 party system, { used to work quite well}...Untill the demoncrats, lost their minds!
McCarthy, had a great idea....{ it was just "before the need in politics"}......Today, McCarthy, could be applauded?
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I realize there are more parties. I reached 21 in 1958 so I became old enough to vote. The rules were change about that time also so that 18 years became the voting age. The "insignificant independent" parties are insignificant because the Rep/Dem party has sold the lie so well that too many people believe that their vote is wasted if they do not vote for the Rep/Dem party. And yes, I do believe that it is one party that has a well rehearsed script that make people believe they are two parties. This century is beginning to look like it has actually broken into two parties however. Hope that causes the demise of both.
FallenOak wrote:
I have too many years to do that. I have tried in the past with being active but nothing ever has changed. Only, i my opinion, gotten worse. I have for most of my voting life not been in the Rep or Dem parties as I see them as one party intent on gulling the people into thinking they are two parties. You are probably correct in that if another party came to power the ones in the Dem and Rep parties would try to take over there also.
The Democratic Party has been around the longest. The Republican Party was formed from the wreckage of the Whig Party. Any party that is not a fringe has to posses professionals. The money people. I am trying to think of any third party that had any major office holders.
The only third party that comes to mind is the Reform Party. They were able to get Jesse Ventura, the former wrestler and actor elected as Minnesota Governor. That seems to have been the pinnacle of their success.
My point is that if they couldn't follow up a governorship with some national offices, they were not a real alternative to the two major parties. I'm not sure if this is Ross Perot's Reform Party. If it is then other then Perot and Ventura, they did not do much.
So third Parties in America seem to be a bust.
son of witless wrote:
The Democratic Party has been around the longest. The Republican Party was formed from the wreckage of the Whig Party. Any party that is not a fringe has to posses professionals. The money people. I am trying to think of any third party that had any major office holders.
The only third party that comes to mind is the Reform Party. They were able to get Jesse Ventura, the former wrestler and actor elected as Minnesota Governor. That seems to have been the pinnacle of their success.
My point is that if they couldn't follow up a governorship with some national offices, they were not a real alternative to the two major parties. I'm not sure if this is Ross Perot's Reform Party. If it is then other then Perot and Ventura, they did not do much.
So third Parties in America seem to be a bust.
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What you are saying makes a very good argument for allowing the other parties to participate in the debates. Both of those parties have debates between members numbering more than two. The way the Dem/Rep party keeps outsiders away is by never allowing their platforms to reach a national audience. Is that really better for America?
In local elections where the audience is smaller outsiders stand a chance and are elected when they go directly to the voters. If the stranglehold by the Dem/Rep party is ever to be broken the other parties must be allowed to present their platforms to the population. The argument by the Rep/Dem party that you waste your vote if you don't vote for them needs to be exposed as the demeaning attitude it is.
FallenOak wrote:
What you are saying makes a very good argument for allowing the other parties to participate in the debates. Both of those parties have debates between members numbering more than two. The way the Dem/Rep party keeps outsiders away is by never allowing their platforms to reach a national audience. Is that really better for America?
In local elections where the audience is smaller outsiders stand a chance and are elected when they go directly to the voters. If the stranglehold by the Dem/Rep party is ever to be broken the other parties must be allowed to present their platforms to the population. The argument by the Rep/Dem party that you waste your vote if you don't vote for them needs to be exposed as the demeaning attitude it is.
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Now here I must vehemently disagree. I am still really really pissed about 1992. A lot of my more right wing friends who should have known better voted for Ross Perot. I lectured, pleaded, and shook my wittle head in disgust. I knew Perot couldn't win. My friends were angry at Daddy Bush for breaking his no new taxes promise.
Afterward, I told them " Wow you sure showed Bush, didn't you. You screwed us all by making sure Bill Clinton won. Way to go idiots. "
son of witless wrote:
Now here I must vehemently disagree. I am still really really pissed about 1992. A lot of my more right wing friends who should have known better voted for Ross Perot. I lectured, pleaded, and shook my wittle head in disgust. I knew Perot couldn't win. My friends were angry at Daddy Bush for breaking his no new taxes promise.
Afterward, I told them " Wow you sure showed Bush, didn't you. You screwed us all by making sure Bill Clinton won. Way to go idiots. "
You are certainly correct that third parties have cost elections to the Dem/Rep at the national level. T Roosevelt comes to mind with the Bull Moose Party. Gave the 1912 election to Wilson. A start on a long downward spiral. 1968 assured a Nixon victory over Humphrey. You are right about Perot. The third party candidate who leaves the Dem/Rep camp will generally cause the party he leaves to lose.
What I am advocating is that the other parties be allowed in the debates so their platforms can come before a national audience. Maybe enough people will agree with one of the the other parties to break the stranglehold. At the very least the Dem/Rep party will not be able to boast as large a mandate because of the votes drawn from both to lower their count.
When Trump said he would clear the swamp I hoped that was true. He spent the first two years being bashed by the media and the last two fighting off a power play by Pelosi and continuing media bashing to do much about the swamp.
FallenOak wrote:
You are certainly correct that third parties have cost elections to the Dem/Rep at the national level. T Roosevelt comes to mind with the Bull Moose Party. Gave the 1912 election to Wilson. A start on a long downward spiral. 1968 assured a Nixon victory over Humphrey. You are right about Perot. The third party candidate who leaves the Dem/Rep camp will generally cause the party he leaves to lose.
What I am advocating is that the other parties be allowed in the debates so their platforms can come before a national audience. Maybe enough people will agree with one of the the other parties to break the stranglehold. At the very least the Dem/Rep party will not be able to boast as large a mandate because of the votes drawn from both to lower their count.
When Trump said he would clear the swamp I hoped that was true. He spent the first two years being bashed by the media and the last two fighting off a power play by Pelosi and continuing media bashing to do much about the swamp.
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I think there will ever only be two parties. American politics cannot tolerate the multiple parties of other countries. The Whig Party collapsed in the 1850s and out of the wreckage came the Republican Party.
One of the two major parties must first collapse and then a new second party could emerge.
son of witless wrote:
I think there will ever only be two parties. American politics cannot tolerate the multiple parties of other countries. The Whig Party collapsed in the 1850s and out of the wreckage came the Republican Party.
One of the two major parties must first collapse and then a new second party could emerge.
Sadly I must concede that you are probably correct. But some of us must march to a different drummer. I read the platforms of each party and what they seek at each election (Presidential) and vote for the one I feel most represents my thinking. I am presently registered as unaffiliated.
FallenOak wrote:
Sadly I must concede that you are probably correct. But some of us must march to a different drummer. I read the platforms of each party and what they seek at each election (Presidential) and vote for the one I feel most represents my thinking. I am presently registered as unaffiliated.
My political views are Black and White, Good or Bad. I support the Republican Party, not because I like or agree with them. Sometimes I do. I support them because I hate the Democrats. The further Left they go the more I hate them. The Republicans are the Anti Democrats.
Now if you can name me a third party that can and will oppose and stop the Democratic Party better than the Republican Party, I will be happy to leave the GOP and sign on to that party. My mantra has been for a long time, that if a Democrat is running against an ax murderer, I will pick the ax murderer as the lesser of two evils. The Democrat will be far more dangerous to me and my country than the ax murderer.
son of witless wrote:
My political views are Black and White, Good or Bad. I support the Republican Party, not because I like or agree with them. Sometimes I do. I support them because I hate the Democrats. The further Left they go the more I hate them. The Republicans are the Anti Democrats.
Now if you can name me a third party that can and will oppose and stop the Democratic Party better than the Republican Party, I will be happy to leave the GOP and sign on to that party. My mantra has been for a long time, that if a Democrat is running against an ax murderer, I will pick the ax murderer as the lesser of two evils. The Democrat will be far more dangerous to me and my country than the ax murderer.
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Here is where I disagree with you. I think the Repub and Dem parties are only pretending to be different. Although I will admit the Repubs are less evil than the Dems. When the power changes do you really feel any great difference? I believe Trump had such a difficult time because he is the only one to really want to change things in Washington. He was attacked by the Dems and the Repubs gave at best a luke-warm reception to him throughout his four years. The Dems are still bashing while the Repubs are distancing. If Trump tries a third party run we will see the Dems continue in power because as you have stated, third parties have never won.
We have had a Repub majority in Southern Utah forever but with the Calif Dems exiting the state they destroyed we are getting some very weird people with very weird ideas.
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