Communism and Fascism. The two sides of the Marxist coin. (First Part)
A few months ago the EU equated Nazism with Communism through a resolution, which undoubtedly highlights the Marxist origin of both systems. --------It is a fallacy to say: “Socialism believes in a government for the working class. Fascism believes in the supreme power of the state”, when both versions of Marxism place the state in the foreground, the reality being that the worker ceases to be his own master; and from being a slave to the capitalist (according to Marx), he becomes a slave to the system, which supplies him with what is essential to maintain life. Popular wisdom would say that both systems are: "The same dog with a different collar." The fascist systems and those of socialist communism are repressive systems of mass control, without any consideration for human rights, with a single party (made up of a new ruling class, totally alien to the workers; being enjoyed by that class, benefits to which the worker does not have access), with a maximum leader, subordinate leaders; and according to their rank: bureaucrats, repressors and the military, who uphold this "totalitarian dictatorship" that, with falsehood and cynicism, Marxism calls "of the proletariat", when it really is "against the proletariat". It is not possible to hide that both are collectivist systems that inherit their Hegelian origin through Marxism, where the State is a god.----------------Here in OPP there are those who have a supine (very large and evident) ignorance about history and in any controversy they try to pontificate and set professorship, simply arguing what they have consulted online, which are occasionally manipulations aimed at falsifying history in the best style of the Ministry of Truth, described in Orwel's book: "1984". ---------------------Let's see what Wikipedia says about Fascism: “Fascism is a form of EXTREME RIGHT-WING authoritarian ultra-nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, the forced repression of the opposition and the strong regulation of society and the economy that became prominent to early 20th century in Europe ”. In this definition, a manipulation is made when the words: “extreme right-wing” are inserted, since the rest of what is written is not questionable, a falsehood is introduced into what is real, covering up a lie by placing it among various truths. -----------------------------Precisely we are facing the greatest propaganda success of the left in its entire history, having made believe that Fascism is an ideology of the extreme right when in reality it is a socialist ideology united to nationalist sentiment, that did not arise on the right but within of the left socialist movement after the event which supposed the coup against the social democrat Russian Revolution of February 1917, that served to propagate all kinds of revolutionary socialisms contrary to capitalism, among which we include what we know as Fascism. -------------On the other hand, the fascist leaders themselves always denied the label of belonging to the right, stressing their anti-capitalist positions, and flaunting their socialist programs and measures in favor of the workers. It is somewhat cynical that an ideology is included within a label that its promoters vehemently deny. However, proclaiming this reality can be useless when we face the propaganda of the left, which will fanatically accuse its opponents using the mantra or litany of "fascists" as a dogma of faith, even if they are proven wrong, when in reality are their actions that remind us on so many occasions of fascism (such as the incitement of Maxine Waters, in the best style of brown or black shirts, to attack the Republicans), that reveals its nature and similarity of origin Marxist. This stigmatization of the adversary is used to dominate and restrict freedom, since it is necessary for there to be fascists so that the good "anti-fascists" predominate and thus be able to justify the repression to those who oppose the left.--------------It must be remembered that Fascism is unquestionably the son of Marxism, noting that its founder, Benito Mussolini, was in the early twentieth century very close to Lenin and also leader of the recalcitrant Italian socialist party being a furious Marxist; he created fascism to show himself as the most revolutionary of all, since within the socialist party he expelled the so-called "revisionists" from the Social Democracy.------------Nicola Bombacci, founder of the Italian Communist Party in 1921, later came to the ranks of the Duce movement, stating that he found no difference between fascism and totalitarian communism, having written: “fascism has made a great social revolution, with Mussolini and Lenin, Soviet and corporate fascist state, Rome and Moscow, we had to rectify a lot, nothing to make us forgive, because today as yesterday we are driven by the same ideal, the triumph of work ". Both Mussolini and Bombacci were executed in 1945. ----The leftists before launching the "fascist or Nazi" tirade against those who oppose them (to undermine the legitimacy of what they cannot answer, and trying to silence any compromised discussion), they must know that Hitler was leftist and he considered himself "the true director of Marxism" (H. Rauschning, in Hitler, De Cooperation, Paris, 1939, p.112); and none other than Goebbels, it was he who confessed that - "The national-socialist movement has only one teacher: Marxism" - (Kampf um Berlin, p.19); and coinciding with Marxist ideologues, he affirmed that "Socialism is the conception of the world of the future that can only be realized in the Socialist State" (Die Zweite Revolution). And it also expresses: - "We are socialists and mortal enemies of the capitalist economic system" - (Der Nationalsozialismus, Die Weltanschaung des 20 Jahrhunderts). For his part, and to be no less eloquent, Mussolini is pleased to affirm that Marx is his spiritual father. (Mussolini and fascism Ed. Que sais-je, p.31).--------------------The maxim: "A lie repeated many times tends to become true," has been attributed to: Voltaire, Lenin, Goebbels and other characters in ancient history; but the truth is, that the extreme left practices this doctrine tirelessly and in this case, turns the fascists, who are socialist followers of Marx, into right-wing extremists, which is brazen. A lie will always be a lie, even if it is repeated ad infinitum.--I know that I am wasting my time trying to illustrate people who want to ignore the truth and I recognize that the expression: "It is easier to deceive people than to convince them that they have been deceived", attributed to Mark Twain (Samuel Longhorn Clemens), contains great wisdom. However, I try to practice what the Master of Nazareth preached to us who said: "Teach the one who does not know."---------------------From the 20s of the last century, socialism can be grouped into internationalist and nationalist (communist and fascist), during the Stalin period and his policy of "building socialism in one country", since the communist revolution had failed in other countries of Europe such as Germany, Stalinist communism would move away from the policy of the permanent revolution of Trotsky and will fall into a certain Russian nationalism in contradictory coexistence with internationalist Marxism, using the Communist International fundamentally for the service of the own interests of the Soviet Union. ------------------------After the defeat of national-socialism in World War II, in which Eastern Europe was freed from the Nazi-Fascist totalitarian yoke to fall into that of the USSR, the line of those parties that want to militate in this ideology will be discredited, nevertheless, the phenomenon of some socialist parties also becoming nationalists will continue to occur, but without departing from the parameters of the left, even if in fragrant contradiction.-----------------------------We have China as an example, where Mao Tse Tsung was always a Chinese nationalist from the fascist left, who for convenience in his beginnings spoke with the jargon of the Moscow Communist International, but when he consolidated in power in the mid-1950s of last century, he showed his true tendency and was accused of revisionism by the Soviets; and he in turn, accused them of hegemonists. -----------------------The most recent history shows how the Chinese Maoism, can go over to Nazi-fascism without any problem, as such is the case, taking into consideration Deng Xiaoping's famous phrase: "It doesn't matter whether the cat is white or black, the important thing is that it catches mice", that has been applied in the last decades .---------------In China, the same is happening as with Hitler's Germany, since Chinese nationalist socialism, like the German at the time, has territorial ambitions and intends to expand in all possible directions, by sea and by land. ----------------- The reincarnation of the German Führer is Xi Jinping, now at the head of the ChCP; and with him, the Chinese have become bellicose, seeking to seize the entire South China Sea, challenging an international arbitration court that in 2016 determined that China's maritime claims in that sea are inconsistent with the Convention on the Law of the Sea. ------------------------The countries with which China borders by land are 14 and look at another 6 on the other side of the sea. All these countries are in the sights of Beijing, Myanmar being very important to obtain the exit to the Indian Ocean and so are Mongolia and Russia, with very low population density, which have extensive borders with China, that needs territory to its huge population. .---------------------- The Russians have the harsh experience that World War II brought them, in which originally, with the Soviet Union, they sided with German National Socialism, signing with it a non-aggression pact to divide Europe between the two powers. It is history how later they needed the help of the allies to deal with Hitler's expansionist ambitions. ----------------------------------
Alber wrote:
A few months ago the EU equated Nazism with Communism through a resolution, which undoubtedly highlights the Marxist origin of both systems. --------It is a fallacy to say: “Socialism believes in a government for the working class. Fascism believes in the supreme power of the state”, when both versions of Marxism place the state in the foreground, the reality being that the worker ceases to be his own master; and from being a slave to the capitalist (according to Marx), he becomes a slave to the system, which supplies him with what is essential to maintain life. Popular wisdom would say that both systems are: "The same dog with a different collar." The fascist systems and those of socialist communism are repressive systems of mass control, without any consideration for human rights, with a single party (made up of a new ruling class, totally alien to the workers; being enjoyed by that class, benefits to which the worker does not have access), with a maximum leader, subordinate leaders; and according to their rank: bureaucrats, repressors and the military, who uphold this "totalitarian dictatorship" that, with falsehood and cynicism, Marxism calls "of the proletariat", when it really is "against the proletariat". It is not possible to hide that both are collectivist systems that inherit their Hegelian origin through Marxism, where the State is a god.----------------Here in OPP there are those who have a supine (very large and evident) ignorance about history and in any controversy they try to pontificate and set professorship, simply arguing what they have consulted online, which are occasionally manipulations aimed at falsifying history in the best style of the Ministry of Truth, described in Orwel's book: "1984". ---------------------Let's see what Wikipedia says about Fascism: “Fascism is a form of EXTREME RIGHT-WING authoritarian ultra-nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, the forced repression of the opposition and the strong regulation of society and the economy that became prominent to early 20th century in Europe ”. In this definition, a manipulation is made when the words: “extreme right-wing” are inserted, since the rest of what is written is not questionable, a falsehood is introduced into what is real, covering up a lie by placing it among various truths. -----------------------------Precisely we are facing the greatest propaganda success of the left in its entire history, having made believe that Fascism is an ideology of the extreme right when in reality it is a socialist ideology united to nationalist sentiment, that did not arise on the right but within of the left socialist movement after the event which supposed the coup against the social democrat Russian Revolution of February 1917, that served to propagate all kinds of revolutionary socialisms contrary to capitalism, among which we include what we know as Fascism. -------------On the other hand, the fascist leaders themselves always denied the label of belonging to the right, stressing their anti-capitalist positions, and flaunting their socialist programs and measures in favor of the workers. It is somewhat cynical that an ideology is included within a label that its promoters vehemently deny. However, proclaiming this reality can be useless when we face the propaganda of the left, which will fanatically accuse its opponents using the mantra or litany of "fascists" as a dogma of faith, even if they are proven wrong, when in reality are their actions that remind us on so many occasions of fascism (such as the incitement of Maxine Waters, in the best style of brown or black shirts, to attack the Republicans), that reveals its nature and similarity of origin Marxist. This stigmatization of the adversary is used to dominate and restrict freedom, since it is necessary for there to be fascists so that the good "anti-fascists" predominate and thus be able to justify the repression to those who oppose the left.--------------It must be remembered that Fascism is unquestionably the son of Marxism, noting that its founder, Benito Mussolini, was in the early twentieth century very close to Lenin and also leader of the recalcitrant Italian socialist party being a furious Marxist; he created fascism to show himself as the most revolutionary of all, since within the socialist party he expelled the so-called "revisionists" from the Social Democracy.------------Nicola Bombacci, founder of the Italian Communist Party in 1921, later came to the ranks of the Duce movement, stating that he found no difference between fascism and totalitarian communism, having written: “fascism has made a great social revolution, with Mussolini and Lenin, Soviet and corporate fascist state, Rome and Moscow, we had to rectify a lot, nothing to make us forgive, because today as yesterday we are driven by the same ideal, the triumph of work ". Both Mussolini and Bombacci were executed in 1945. ----The leftists before launching the "fascist or Nazi" tirade against those who oppose them (to undermine the legitimacy of what they cannot answer, and trying to silence any compromised discussion), they must know that Hitler was leftist and he considered himself "the true director of Marxism" (H. Rauschning, in Hitler, De Cooperation, Paris, 1939, p.112); and none other than Goebbels, it was he who confessed that - "The national-socialist movement has only one teacher: Marxism" - (Kampf um Berlin, p.19); and coinciding with Marxist ideologues, he affirmed that "Socialism is the conception of the world of the future that can only be realized in the Socialist State" (Die Zweite Revolution). And it also expresses: - "We are socialists and mortal enemies of the capitalist economic system" - (Der Nationalsozialismus, Die Weltanschaung des 20 Jahrhunderts). For his part, and to be no less eloquent, Mussolini is pleased to affirm that Marx is his spiritual father. (Mussolini and fascism Ed. Que sais-je, p.31).--------------------The maxim: "A lie repeated many times tends to become true," has been attributed to: Voltaire, Lenin, Goebbels and other characters in ancient history; but the truth is, that the extreme left practices this doctrine tirelessly and in this case, turns the fascists, who are socialist followers of Marx, into right-wing extremists, which is brazen. A lie will always be a lie, even if it is repeated ad infinitum.--I know that I am wasting my time trying to illustrate people who want to ignore the truth and I recognize that the expression: "It is easier to deceive people than to convince them that they have been deceived", attributed to Mark Twain (Samuel Longhorn Clemens), contains great wisdom. However, I try to practice what the Master of Nazareth preached to us who said: "Teach the one who does not know."---------------------From the 20s of the last century, socialism can be grouped into internationalist and nationalist (communist and fascist), during the Stalin period and his policy of "building socialism in one country", since the communist revolution had failed in other countries of Europe such as Germany, Stalinist communism would move away from the policy of the permanent revolution of Trotsky and will fall into a certain Russian nationalism in contradictory coexistence with internationalist Marxism, using the Communist International fundamentally for the service of the own interests of the Soviet Union. ------------------------After the defeat of national-socialism in World War II, in which Eastern Europe was freed from the Nazi-Fascist totalitarian yoke to fall into that of the USSR, the line of those parties that want to militate in this ideology will be discredited, nevertheless, the phenomenon of some socialist parties also becoming nationalists will continue to occur, but without departing from the parameters of the left, even if in fragrant contradiction.-----------------------------We have China as an example, where Mao Tse Tsung was always a Chinese nationalist from the fascist left, who for convenience in his beginnings spoke with the jargon of the Moscow Communist International, but when he consolidated in power in the mid-1950s of last century, he showed his true tendency and was accused of revisionism by the Soviets; and he in turn, accused them of hegemonists. -----------------------The most recent history shows how the Chinese Maoism, can go over to Nazi-fascism without any problem, as such is the case, taking into consideration Deng Xiaoping's famous phrase: "It doesn't matter whether the cat is white or black, the important thing is that it catches mice", that has been applied in the last decades .---------------In China, the same is happening as with Hitler's Germany, since Chinese nationalist socialism, like the German at the time, has territorial ambitions and intends to expand in all possible directions, by sea and by land. ----------------- The reincarnation of the German Führer is Xi Jinping, now at the head of the ChCP; and with him, the Chinese have become bellicose, seeking to seize the entire South China Sea, challenging an international arbitration court that in 2016 determined that China's maritime claims in that sea are inconsistent with the Convention on the Law of the Sea. ------------------------The countries with which China borders by land are 14 and look at another 6 on the other side of the sea. All these countries are in the sights of Beijing, Myanmar being very important to obtain the exit to the Indian Ocean and so are Mongolia and Russia, with very low population density, which have extensive borders with China, that needs territory to its huge population. .---------------------- The Russians have the harsh experience that World War II brought them, in which originally, with the Soviet Union, they sided with German National Socialism, signing with it a non-aggression pact to divide Europe between the two powers. It is history how later they needed the help of the allies to deal with Hitler's expansionist ambitions. ----------------------------------
A few months ago the EU equated Nazism with Commun... (
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Lol... It was halfway decent until it attempted to equate Xijinping with Hitler... 😂😂😂
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Lol... It was halfway decent until it attempted to equate Xijinping with Hitler... 😂😂😂
Please, enlighten me, I like to learn from those with more knowledge or experience. What is the difference between Hitler and Xi Jinping?
Alber wrote:
A few months ago the EU equated Nazism with Communism through a resolution, which undoubtedly highlights the Marxist origin of both systems. --------It is a fallacy to say: “Socialism believes in a government for the working class. Fascism believes in the supreme power of the state”, when both versions of Marxism place the state in the foreground, the reality being that the worker ceases to be his own master; and from being a slave to the capitalist (according to Marx), he becomes a slave to the system, which supplies him with what is essential to maintain life. Popular wisdom would say that both systems are: "The same dog with a different collar." The fascist systems and those of socialist communism are repressive systems of mass control, without any consideration for human rights, with a single party (made up of a new ruling class, totally alien to the workers; being enjoyed by that class, benefits to which the worker does not have access), with a maximum leader, subordinate leaders; and according to their rank: bureaucrats, repressors and the military, who uphold this "totalitarian dictatorship" that, with falsehood and cynicism, Marxism calls "of the proletariat", when it really is "against the proletariat". It is not possible to hide that both are collectivist systems that inherit their Hegelian origin through Marxism, where the State is a god.----------------Here in OPP there are those who have a supine (very large and evident) ignorance about history and in any controversy they try to pontificate and set professorship, simply arguing what they have consulted online, which are occasionally manipulations aimed at falsifying history in the best style of the Ministry of Truth, described in Orwel's book: "1984". ---------------------Let's see what Wikipedia says about Fascism: “Fascism is a form of EXTREME RIGHT-WING authoritarian ultra-nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, the forced repression of the opposition and the strong regulation of society and the economy that became prominent to early 20th century in Europe ”. In this definition, a manipulation is made when the words: “extreme right-wing” are inserted, since the rest of what is written is not questionable, a falsehood is introduced into what is real, covering up a lie by placing it among various truths. -----------------------------Precisely we are facing the greatest propaganda success of the left in its entire history, having made believe that Fascism is an ideology of the extreme right when in reality it is a socialist ideology united to nationalist sentiment, that did not arise on the right but within of the left socialist movement after the event which supposed the coup against the social democrat Russian Revolution of February 1917, that served to propagate all kinds of revolutionary socialisms contrary to capitalism, among which we include what we know as Fascism. -------------On the other hand, the fascist leaders themselves always denied the label of belonging to the right, stressing their anti-capitalist positions, and flaunting their socialist programs and measures in favor of the workers. It is somewhat cynical that an ideology is included within a label that its promoters vehemently deny. However, proclaiming this reality can be useless when we face the propaganda of the left, which will fanatically accuse its opponents using the mantra or litany of "fascists" as a dogma of faith, even if they are proven wrong, when in reality are their actions that remind us on so many occasions of fascism (such as the incitement of Maxine Waters, in the best style of brown or black shirts, to attack the Republicans), that reveals its nature and similarity of origin Marxist. This stigmatization of the adversary is used to dominate and restrict freedom, since it is necessary for there to be fascists so that the good "anti-fascists" predominate and thus be able to justify the repression to those who oppose the left.--------------It must be remembered that Fascism is unquestionably the son of Marxism, noting that its founder, Benito Mussolini, was in the early twentieth century very close to Lenin and also leader of the recalcitrant Italian socialist party being a furious Marxist; he created fascism to show himself as the most revolutionary of all, since within the socialist party he expelled the so-called "revisionists" from the Social Democracy.------------Nicola Bombacci, founder of the Italian Communist Party in 1921, later came to the ranks of the Duce movement, stating that he found no difference between fascism and totalitarian communism, having written: “fascism has made a great social revolution, with Mussolini and Lenin, Soviet and corporate fascist state, Rome and Moscow, we had to rectify a lot, nothing to make us forgive, because today as yesterday we are driven by the same ideal, the triumph of work ". Both Mussolini and Bombacci were executed in 1945. ----The leftists before launching the "fascist or Nazi" tirade against those who oppose them (to undermine the legitimacy of what they cannot answer, and trying to silence any compromised discussion), they must know that Hitler was leftist and he considered himself "the true director of Marxism" (H. Rauschning, in Hitler, De Cooperation, Paris, 1939, p.112); and none other than Goebbels, it was he who confessed that - "The national-socialist movement has only one teacher: Marxism" - (Kampf um Berlin, p.19); and coinciding with Marxist ideologues, he affirmed that "Socialism is the conception of the world of the future that can only be realized in the Socialist State" (Die Zweite Revolution). And it also expresses: - "We are socialists and mortal enemies of the capitalist economic system" - (Der Nationalsozialismus, Die Weltanschaung des 20 Jahrhunderts). For his part, and to be no less eloquent, Mussolini is pleased to affirm that Marx is his spiritual father. (Mussolini and fascism Ed. Que sais-je, p.31).--------------------The maxim: "A lie repeated many times tends to become true," has been attributed to: Voltaire, Lenin, Goebbels and other characters in ancient history; but the truth is, that the extreme left practices this doctrine tirelessly and in this case, turns the fascists, who are socialist followers of Marx, into right-wing extremists, which is brazen. A lie will always be a lie, even if it is repeated ad infinitum.--I know that I am wasting my time trying to illustrate people who want to ignore the truth and I recognize that the expression: "It is easier to deceive people than to convince them that they have been deceived", attributed to Mark Twain (Samuel Longhorn Clemens), contains great wisdom. However, I try to practice what the Master of Nazareth preached to us who said: "Teach the one who does not know."---------------------From the 20s of the last century, socialism can be grouped into internationalist and nationalist (communist and fascist), during the Stalin period and his policy of "building socialism in one country", since the communist revolution had failed in other countries of Europe such as Germany, Stalinist communism would move away from the policy of the permanent revolution of Trotsky and will fall into a certain Russian nationalism in contradictory coexistence with internationalist Marxism, using the Communist International fundamentally for the service of the own interests of the Soviet Union. ------------------------After the defeat of national-socialism in World War II, in which Eastern Europe was freed from the Nazi-Fascist totalitarian yoke to fall into that of the USSR, the line of those parties that want to militate in this ideology will be discredited, nevertheless, the phenomenon of some socialist parties also becoming nationalists will continue to occur, but without departing from the parameters of the left, even if in fragrant contradiction.-----------------------------We have China as an example, where Mao Tse Tsung was always a Chinese nationalist from the fascist left, who for convenience in his beginnings spoke with the jargon of the Moscow Communist International, but when he consolidated in power in the mid-1950s of last century, he showed his true tendency and was accused of revisionism by the Soviets; and he in turn, accused them of hegemonists. -----------------------The most recent history shows how the Chinese Maoism, can go over to Nazi-fascism without any problem, as such is the case, taking into consideration Deng Xiaoping's famous phrase: "It doesn't matter whether the cat is white or black, the important thing is that it catches mice", that has been applied in the last decades .---------------In China, the same is happening as with Hitler's Germany, since Chinese nationalist socialism, like the German at the time, has territorial ambitions and intends to expand in all possible directions, by sea and by land. ----------------- The reincarnation of the German Führer is Xi Jinping, now at the head of the ChCP; and with him, the Chinese have become bellicose, seeking to seize the entire South China Sea, challenging an international arbitration court that in 2016 determined that China's maritime claims in that sea are inconsistent with the Convention on the Law of the Sea. ------------------------The countries with which China borders by land are 14 and look at another 6 on the other side of the sea. All these countries are in the sights of Beijing, Myanmar being very important to obtain the exit to the Indian Ocean and so are Mongolia and Russia, with very low population density, which have extensive borders with China, that needs territory to its huge population. .---------------------- The Russians have the harsh experience that World War II brought them, in which originally, with the Soviet Union, they sided with German National Socialism, signing with it a non-aggression pact to divide Europe between the two powers. It is history how later they needed the help of the allies to deal with Hitler's expansionist ambitions. ----------------------------------
A few months ago the EU equated Nazism with Commun... (
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Fascism and communism are both bad choices .
Neither of which should ever be chosen in this country.
We are still a Nation Against Communism And Fascism .
But now we have an oligarchical system blurring all the lines for their own benefit.
This has been a relatively smooth process thanks to all the help they’ve gotten from the lost souls on the right.
It will soon be apparent that we will neither be a Fascist nor a Communist Nation .
Anyone not favoring a Democratic Form of Republic Government will be put down.
So, get on board before the republicans sell the rails for scrap forcing the train back into trumps ditch.
Alber wrote:
A few months ago the EU equated Nazism with Communism through a resolution, which undoubtedly highlights the Marxist origin of both systems. --------It is a fallacy to say: “Socialism believes in a government for the working class. Fascism believes in the supreme power of the state”, when both versions of Marxism place the state in the foreground, the reality being that the worker ceases to be his own master; and from being a slave to the capitalist (according to Marx), he becomes a slave to the system, which supplies him with what is essential to maintain life. Popular wisdom would say that both systems are: "The same dog with a different collar." The fascist systems and those of socialist communism are repressive systems of mass control, without any consideration for human rights, with a single party (made up of a new ruling class, totally alien to the workers; being enjoyed by that class, benefits to which the worker does not have access), with a maximum leader, subordinate leaders; and according to their rank: bureaucrats, repressors and the military, who uphold this "totalitarian dictatorship" that, with falsehood and cynicism, Marxism calls "of the proletariat", when it really is "against the proletariat". It is not possible to hide that both are collectivist systems that inherit their Hegelian origin through Marxism, where the State is a god.----------------Here in OPP there are those who have a supine (very large and evident) ignorance about history and in any controversy they try to pontificate and set professorship, simply arguing what they have consulted online, which are occasionally manipulations aimed at falsifying history in the best style of the Ministry of Truth, described in Orwel's book: "1984". ---------------------Let's see what Wikipedia says about Fascism: “Fascism is a form of EXTREME RIGHT-WING authoritarian ultra-nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, the forced repression of the opposition and the strong regulation of society and the economy that became prominent to early 20th century in Europe ”. In this definition, a manipulation is made when the words: “extreme right-wing” are inserted, since the rest of what is written is not questionable, a falsehood is introduced into what is real, covering up a lie by placing it among various truths. -----------------------------Precisely we are facing the greatest propaganda success of the left in its entire history, having made believe that Fascism is an ideology of the extreme right when in reality it is a socialist ideology united to nationalist sentiment, that did not arise on the right but within of the left socialist movement after the event which supposed the coup against the social democrat Russian Revolution of February 1917, that served to propagate all kinds of revolutionary socialisms contrary to capitalism, among which we include what we know as Fascism. -------------On the other hand, the fascist leaders themselves always denied the label of belonging to the right, stressing their anti-capitalist positions, and flaunting their socialist programs and measures in favor of the workers. It is somewhat cynical that an ideology is included within a label that its promoters vehemently deny. However, proclaiming this reality can be useless when we face the propaganda of the left, which will fanatically accuse its opponents using the mantra or litany of "fascists" as a dogma of faith, even if they are proven wrong, when in reality are their actions that remind us on so many occasions of fascism (such as the incitement of Maxine Waters, in the best style of brown or black shirts, to attack the Republicans), that reveals its nature and similarity of origin Marxist. This stigmatization of the adversary is used to dominate and restrict freedom, since it is necessary for there to be fascists so that the good "anti-fascists" predominate and thus be able to justify the repression to those who oppose the left.--------------It must be remembered that Fascism is unquestionably the son of Marxism, noting that its founder, Benito Mussolini, was in the early twentieth century very close to Lenin and also leader of the recalcitrant Italian socialist party being a furious Marxist; he created fascism to show himself as the most revolutionary of all, since within the socialist party he expelled the so-called "revisionists" from the Social Democracy.------------Nicola Bombacci, founder of the Italian Communist Party in 1921, later came to the ranks of the Duce movement, stating that he found no difference between fascism and totalitarian communism, having written: “fascism has made a great social revolution, with Mussolini and Lenin, Soviet and corporate fascist state, Rome and Moscow, we had to rectify a lot, nothing to make us forgive, because today as yesterday we are driven by the same ideal, the triumph of work ". Both Mussolini and Bombacci were executed in 1945. ----The leftists before launching the "fascist or Nazi" tirade against those who oppose them (to undermine the legitimacy of what they cannot answer, and trying to silence any compromised discussion), they must know that Hitler was leftist and he considered himself "the true director of Marxism" (H. Rauschning, in Hitler, De Cooperation, Paris, 1939, p.112); and none other than Goebbels, it was he who confessed that - "The national-socialist movement has only one teacher: Marxism" - (Kampf um Berlin, p.19); and coinciding with Marxist ideologues, he affirmed that "Socialism is the conception of the world of the future that can only be realized in the Socialist State" (Die Zweite Revolution). And it also expresses: - "We are socialists and mortal enemies of the capitalist economic system" - (Der Nationalsozialismus, Die Weltanschaung des 20 Jahrhunderts). For his part, and to be no less eloquent, Mussolini is pleased to affirm that Marx is his spiritual father. (Mussolini and fascism Ed. Que sais-je, p.31).--------------------The maxim: "A lie repeated many times tends to become true," has been attributed to: Voltaire, Lenin, Goebbels and other characters in ancient history; but the truth is, that the extreme left practices this doctrine tirelessly and in this case, turns the fascists, who are socialist followers of Marx, into right-wing extremists, which is brazen. A lie will always be a lie, even if it is repeated ad infinitum.--I know that I am wasting my time trying to illustrate people who want to ignore the truth and I recognize that the expression: "It is easier to deceive people than to convince them that they have been deceived", attributed to Mark Twain (Samuel Longhorn Clemens), contains great wisdom. However, I try to practice what the Master of Nazareth preached to us who said: "Teach the one who does not know."---------------------From the 20s of the last century, socialism can be grouped into internationalist and nationalist (communist and fascist), during the Stalin period and his policy of "building socialism in one country", since the communist revolution had failed in other countries of Europe such as Germany, Stalinist communism would move away from the policy of the permanent revolution of Trotsky and will fall into a certain Russian nationalism in contradictory coexistence with internationalist Marxism, using the Communist International fundamentally for the service of the own interests of the Soviet Union. ------------------------After the defeat of national-socialism in World War II, in which Eastern Europe was freed from the Nazi-Fascist totalitarian yoke to fall into that of the USSR, the line of those parties that want to militate in this ideology will be discredited, nevertheless, the phenomenon of some socialist parties also becoming nationalists will continue to occur, but without departing from the parameters of the left, even if in fragrant contradiction.-----------------------------We have China as an example, where Mao Tse Tsung was always a Chinese nationalist from the fascist left, who for convenience in his beginnings spoke with the jargon of the Moscow Communist International, but when he consolidated in power in the mid-1950s of last century, he showed his true tendency and was accused of revisionism by the Soviets; and he in turn, accused them of hegemonists. -----------------------The most recent history shows how the Chinese Maoism, can go over to Nazi-fascism without any problem, as such is the case, taking into consideration Deng Xiaoping's famous phrase: "It doesn't matter whether the cat is white or black, the important thing is that it catches mice", that has been applied in the last decades .---------------In China, the same is happening as with Hitler's Germany, since Chinese nationalist socialism, like the German at the time, has territorial ambitions and intends to expand in all possible directions, by sea and by land. ----------------- The reincarnation of the German Führer is Xi Jinping, now at the head of the ChCP; and with him, the Chinese have become bellicose, seeking to seize the entire South China Sea, challenging an international arbitration court that in 2016 determined that China's maritime claims in that sea are inconsistent with the Convention on the Law of the Sea. ------------------------The countries with which China borders by land are 14 and look at another 6 on the other side of the sea. All these countries are in the sights of Beijing, Myanmar being very important to obtain the exit to the Indian Ocean and so are Mongolia and Russia, with very low population density, which have extensive borders with China, that needs territory to its huge population. .---------------------- The Russians have the harsh experience that World War II brought them, in which originally, with the Soviet Union, they sided with German National Socialism, signing with it a non-aggression pact to divide Europe between the two powers. It is history how later they needed the help of the allies to deal with Hitler's expansionist ambitions. ----------------------------------
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While it is true that an ordinary citizen in the USSR, and Nazi Germany were both subject to authoritarianism, that's where the comparison stops. In a Marxist regime, there is no or little private property. In a Fascist country, Capitalism is allowed to exist as long as it meets the goals of the state. A Fascist regime is not conservative, but needs the support of conservatives to come to power. A Marxist country is for violent revolution in which the entire class of conservative capitalists are liquidated. Many institutions of capitalism such as religion are done away with since they only exist to keep the worker subservient to the capitalist class. In Fascism, religion is permitted by the state because it may help the state keep power, although it is tightly controlled.
There are many other differences because they come from different places.
Milosia2 wrote:
Fascism and communism are both bad choices .
Neither of which should ever be chosen in this country.
We are still a Nation Against Communism And Fascism .
But now we have an oligarchical system blurring all the lines for their own benefit.
This has been a relatively smooth process thanks to all the help they’ve gotten from the lost souls on the right.
It will soon be apparent that we will neither be a Fascist nor a Communist Nation .
Anyone not favoring a Democratic Form of Republic Government will be put down.
So, get on board before the republicans sell the rails for scrap forcing the train back into trumps ditch.
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I agree with you.; but the doubt assails me, when I see that many in the leadership of the Democratic Party, are proposing a "Democratic Socialism", when it is known that real Socialism is only one, that leads to the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, the dystopian anteroom of Communism.
On the other hand, I see you condemn the lost souls on the right and the oligarchical system that is blurring all the lines for their own benefit; but you don’t say anything about the oligarchs subscribed to the "green" energy business; besides, you are supporting the policies that this administration is following by bending to the deception of anthropogenic climate change, advanced by the communists, after the disappearance of the Soviet Union, which introduced it into the UN promoted by the Sao Paulo Forum, as a weapon to control the sovereignty of nations.
The policy that this Administration has undertaken in relation to oil is a disaster. National oil production is reduced and it has favored Russia and OPEC, to the detriment of the United States, where gasoline prices and all products rise depending on petroleun, creating an unnecessary inflation, which together with economic stagnation as a result of the plandemic, can become a stagflation.
All this to promote the Green New Deal, that will take the USA to a New Great Recession to justify the imposition of Democratic Socialism; and the German “Democratic” Republic was a good example of what is a republic under Socialism, with the Dictatorship of the Proletariat and the STASI, the most hated and feared institution of the East German communist government. I don’t know if this is the Democratic Form of Republic Government that you are favoring.
saltwind 78 wrote:
While it is true that an ordinary citizen in the USSR, and Nazi Germany were both subject to authoritarianism, that's where the comparison stops. In a Marxist regime, there is no or little private property. In a Fascist country, Capitalism is allowed to exist as long as it meets the goals of the state. A Fascist regime is not conservative, but needs the support of conservatives to come to power. A Marxist country is for violent revolution in which the entire class of conservative capitalists are liquidated. Many institutions of capitalism such as religion are done away with since they only exist to keep the worker subservient to the capitalist class. In Fascism, religion is permitted by the state because it may help the state keep power, although it is tightly controlled.
There are many other differences because they come from different places.
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You say you taught history for 30 years; but you don't know much about this story. In the second part I will show you how Hitler came to power; and it wasn't exactly the conservatives who got him there. Also, in essence, both systems; economically and politically, followed the same procedures and had the same goals. They created a new class and the proletarians continued to be exploited in the same way or worse than under capitalism.
On the other hand, Marx did not give a formula of how socialism should developed to get to communism.
Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler were the ones who took a bad theory to a practice that was much worse.
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Start with how they came to lead their nations..
That should be enough...
Honestly, I haven't learned anything from your answer.
Hitler came to power in Germany democratically and later became a dictator.
Xi Jinping, comes to power by having risen positions within the ChCP and from the moment he begins to preside, he is already a dictator.
I don't see that your answer is enough.
Alber wrote:
I agree with you.; but the doubt assails me, when I see that many in the leadership of the Democratic Party, are proposing a "Democratic Socialism", when it is known that real Socialism is only one, that leads to the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, the dystopian anteroom of Communism.
On the other hand, I see you condemn the lost souls on the right and the oligarchical system that is blurring all the lines for their own benefit; but you don’t say anything about the oligarchs subscribed to the "green" energy business; besides, you are supporting the policies that this administration is following by bending to the deception of anthropogenic climate change, advanced by the communists, after the disappearance of the Soviet Union, which introduced it into the UN promoted by the Sao Paulo Forum, as a weapon to control the sovereignty of nations.
The policy that this Administration has undertaken in relation to oil is a disaster. National oil production is reduced and it has favored Russia and OPEC, to the detriment of the United States, where gasoline prices and all products rise depending on petroleun, creating an unnecessary inflation, which together with economic stagnation as a result of the plandemic, can become a stagflation.
All this to promote the Green New Deal, that will take the USA to a New Great Recession to justify the imposition of Democratic Socialism; and the German “Democratic” Republic was a good example of what is a republic under Socialism, with the Dictatorship of the Proletariat and the STASI, the most hated and feared institution of the East German communist government. I don’t know if this is the Democratic Form of Republic Government that you are favoring.
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What have we been for the last 240 years while we kept out Fascists and Communists?
What has benefited the commons for 240 years as the Constitution intended ?
For some unexplained reason the Commons
Have decided they are unworthy of being Americans. They are no longer entitled to anything this country has to offer without paying for it. Even though yes , we pay fir it, do we ever pay for it.
Why should all of the money be concentrated among a group of people that gets smaller every day. Less people owning more wealth . Is this why this country was originated ? With our continual fight against tyranny. Fascism , Communism, corporatism, despotism, oligarchy, it seems,
Suddenly they are all sleeping in our beds.
What has possessed us to throw this country into the trash bin ????
Why would we do such a thing ?
What are these evil forces that would cause us to do such a thing ?
A sort of looking over the edge of the frying pan, thinking , you might just be better off in the fire !
I don’t get it.
Your thoughts ?
Milosia2 wrote:
What have we been for the last 240 years while we kept out Fascists and Communists?
What has benefited the commons for 240 years as the Constitution intended ?
For some unexplained reason the Commons
Have decided they are unworthy of being Americans. They are no longer entitled to anything this country has to offer without paying for it. Even though yes , we pay fir it, do we ever pay for it.
Why should all of the money be concentrated among a group of people that gets smaller every day. Less people owning more wealth . Is this why this country was originated ? With our continual fight against tyranny. Fascism , Communism, corporatism, despotism, oligarchy, it seems,
Suddenly they are all sleeping in our beds.
What has possessed us to throw this country into the trash bin ????
Why would we do such a thing ?
What are these evil forces that would cause us to do such a thing ?
A sort of looking over the edge of the frying pan, thinking , you might just be better off in the fire !
I don’t get it.
Your thoughts ?
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"Democratic Socialism" is not going to improve the situation of the commons at all. Read Part Two.
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