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CarolSeer2016

Btfkr wrote:

My answer to your statement is this. I haven't a clue where you came to the conclusion from my statements or anywhere for that matter, that, in your words, "it's the Left and Liberals who feel that mankind is in essence the absolutely worst species on the planet."

That being said Carol dear, I do believe that my border collie has better deducting and reasoning power than do you.

You do have a point. I based that statement on your saying that God requires men to forego selfishness and self-centeredness.
(By the way, I've read that Jesus said love your neighbor as yourself--which seems to me to mean that one must love oneself.)
Without some respect for "one's self"--what you would call selfishness or selfcenteredness, how can we love "ourselves"?

Sorry if I confused you. I should have known better.

VladimirPee

Nothing to be in denial about. These alarmist predictions never happened. Facts are on my side

Btfkr wrote:

Very well, obviously you are in the aforementioned denial about some issues, and we will just keep arguing and wasting time. I shant EVEN get into the alarmism of the right...simply out of kindness :P :P :thumbup:

CarolSeer2016

Btfkr wrote:

My answer to your statement is this. I haven't a clue where you came to the conclusion from my statements or anywhere for that matter, that, in your words, "it's the Left and Liberals who feel that mankind is in essence the absolutely worst species on the planet."

That being said Carol dear, I do believe that my border collie has better deducting and reasoning power than do you.

Also, bufkr, I categorize "selfishness" into 2 sorts: 1. an internal, valid and moral love of self, and 2. an external, invalid (and immoral) need for the love of others.

Your border collie probably thinks he does, too. I know. I've had a border collie.

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

CarolSeer2016 wrote:

You do have a point. I based that statement on your saying that God requires men to forego selfishness and self-centeredness.
(By the way, I've read that Jesus said love your neighbor as yourself--which seems to me to mean that one must love oneself.)
Without some respect for "one's self"--what you would call selfishness or selfcenteredness, how can we love "ourselves"?

Sorry if I confused you. I should have known better.

I believe there to be a great distinction between respecting and loving oneself as opposed to being selfish and self centered. No confusion on my behalf. Sorry if I was harsh.

CarolSeer2016

CarolSeer2016 wrote:

Maybe we need to enumerate the "issues", then set down pros and cons of each. That would be a start. Otherwise, we may find ourselves in a perpetual state of confusion.

Addendum: After the aforementioned enumeration, we can then begin to prioritize.

CarolSeer2016

Btfkr wrote:

I believe there to be a great distinction between respecting and loving oneself as opposed to being selfish and self centered. No confusion on my behalf. Sorry if I was harsh.

We might even be in agreement.

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

CarolSeer2016 wrote:

Also, bufkr, I categorize "selfishness" into 2 sorts: 1. an internal, valid and moral love of self, and 2. an external, invalid (and immoral) need for the love of others.

Your border collie probably thinks he does, too. I know. I've had a border collie.

Good points! I would concur. Thank you :P Yes, My border collie (she actually) is quite smart. Having talked with you further my collie comment was uncalled for. Please accept my apologies.

VladimirPee

Smartest Dogs alive

Btfkr wrote:

Good points! I would concur. Thank you :P Yes, My border collie (she actually) is quite smart. Having talked with you further my collie comment was uncalled for. Please accept my apologies.

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

DennisDee wrote:

Smartest Dogs alive

Indeed! :thumbup: :thumbup:

CarolSeer2016

Btfkr wrote:

Good points! I would concur. Thank you :P Yes, My border collie (she actually) is quite smart. Having talked with you further my collie comment was uncalled for. Please accept my apologies.

No apology necessary.

Someday maybe we can get into a discussion of a fear of mine:
That the collective subconscious of the human race has a death wish.
I hope that that is not true----

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

CarolSeer2016 wrote:

No apology necessary.

Someday maybe we can get into a discussion of a fear of mine:
That the collective subconscious of the human race has a death wish.
I hope that that is not true----

Thank you. I hope your fear is not true either, but sometimes I wonder that myself judging by our collective actions. I don't fear it but I do wonder~~~

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Btfkr wrote:

You are absolutely right Floyd. As I said in my r... (show quote)

Once we solve the problem of how to save wind an solar power to batteries or some other way at a reasonable cost we will have turned the corner.

But we need to be mindful that those that provide the energy now will not be the supporters of solar power & wind power in any big way.

If one would look close I think one would see that Big Energy is behind environmental issues against the competition. They can find people with issues & in many ways aid & abet them.

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

Floyd Brown wrote:

Once we solve the problem of how to save wind an solar power to batteries or some other way at a reasonable cost we will have turned the corner.

But we need to be mindful that those that provide the energy now will not be the supporters of solar power & wind power in any big way.

If one would look close I think one would see that Big Energy is behind environmental issues against the competition. They can find people with issues & in many ways aid & abet them.

Oh absolutely Big Energy is behind anything against environmental issues. Just google "funding climate deniers" The same old rule applies. Just follow the money.

VladimirPee

It has not warmed in 20 years. This is settled science

Btfkr wrote:

Oh absolutely Big Energy is behind anything against environmental issues. Just google "funding climate deniers" The same old rule applies. Just follow the money.