ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

Risk vs. Reward. This is what we are really talking about.

Most everyone I know is eager to take the "vaccine?" based upon the claims by Pfizer and Moderna that the "relative risk" is a 90% reduction in the risk of being sick enough to require a hospital visit. That sounds pretty impressive doesn't it?

However, if you were to learn that the "absolute risk" reduction was really only around 1%, and not the 90+% claimed by Pfizer and Moderna, would you still be willing to take the vaccine, knowing that there are potential risks? Again the subject of Risk vs. Reward.

In order to understand this apparent disparity in terms of vaccine effectiveness, we first need to review 3 definitions (using the Actual Pfizer trial numbers):

1) "Relative risk" is the comparison between the placebo group RELATIVE to the vaccine group. It’s kind of like a ratio through division.
 Example, say there are 2 groups of 20,000 people each. 20,000 gets vaccinated, and the other 20,000 get a placebo. In the vaccinated group, 8 people are diagnosed with CV-19 (0.0004), and in the placebo group, 86 are diagnosed with CV-19 (0.0043). This yields a Covid-19 attack rate of 0.0004 in the vaccine group and 0.0043 in the placebo group. Relative risk (RR) for vaccination = 0.093, which translates into a “vaccine effectiveness” of 90.7% [100(1-0.093)] (the difference between the percentages of each group
X 100) IMPRESSVE RIGHT!

2) "Absolute risk" is the absolute difference between the groups. Like an addition or subtraction problem. Using the same example above, the absolute risk reduction for an individual is only about 0.4%
(0.0043-0.0004=0.0039). Not even a 1% reduction in the absolute risk of a hospital visit if you get the vaccine.

3) Number needed to treat (NNT)

A figure which is often quoted in medical research is the NNT. This is the number of people who need to take the treatment for one person to benefit from the treatment.

Again, using the same example above, it means that to prevent just 1 Covid-19 case, 256 individuals must get the vaccine; the other 255 individuals derive no benefit.

Now, does this affect your view on whether you should take the Covid-19 vaccine? (NOTE: slight difference in the numbers between the chart and article which come from 2 different sources below).

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4347/rr-4
https://www.globalresearch.ca/hidden-truth-covid-19-vaccines-interview-dr-ronald-b-brown-phd/5739826

peg w

Not a single person has died of a Covid vaccine.530, 000 people have died of Covid, just in the USA.Your chances are much better with a vaccine. Besides death, getting Covid means you have a 10 to 20 percent chance of being a long haller. You may be disabled for life. Do you really want that?
Another thing. As more people catch Covid, the chances of a variant increase. Here we have developed in a year, a NYC and a LA variant. This development of variants will hapen as long as the virus spreads. If we get almost everyone vaccinated, we will continue to have s vaccines that work.

Liberty Tree

You will be better off if you ever quit believing everything you are told. The statistics are grossly manipulated.

Carol Kelly

Comparing Covid cases to true Covid deaths, I’d have just taken my chances, but my
adult children insisted. So I’ve had the first and second. Now, we’re told there may be a booster or two or three. Not for me! Even though our governor said masking is our personal decision, I’m still having to wear a mask everywhere except in my home.
This is insanity.

Carol Kelly

Believe nothing you hear and only half you see.

Liberty Tree

Misinformation is a major tool of those who wish to control you.

Carol Kelly

Ditto.

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

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Transition States for Covid 19

Normal Life

Life With Social Distancing and Masks (or one, not the other!)

Vaccine or No Vaccine (and type )

Exposure to C19 (vectors not clear)

Getting the Virus (incidence known, but perhaps clouded by false and misleading reporting)

Being Ill at Home ( incidence not clear. Diagnosis not clear. Flu?)

Proper Treatment at Home (also not well-known, I believe. Treatment at early onset may be vital but not available or proper.)

Recovery at Home (Do we know this?)

Worsening Condition ( Do we know this?)

Hospitalization ( should be well-known, but is the reporting accurate?)

Treatment and Response (should be well-known, but...)

Complete Recovery (Known, I guess.)

Partial Recovery (Known, too, I guess.)

Death (inaccurate determinations.)
(is a question whether the statistics are valid.)

Seems to me that we need to have data and insight into each possible transition between the network of States (extended from the above list), not just the transition from the top three States to Hospitalization. The effectiveness of the various treatments at key States, at home especially, clearly enters into the equation.

Is any further data available? Or is it just a crapshoot?

agatemaggot Loc: waterloo iowa

It's ALL about fear and control ! Coming next as in Australia and New Zealand , travel restrictions, no bus, no plane ,no bars or gyms unless you have your shots !

Carol Kelly

It is a crapshoot. No matter what the truth is, we are all taking our chances. Listen to the little voice in the back of your head.

EmilyD

Maybe one question that should be answered first is "How damaging is the Covid19 Vaccine?"

I have been hearing that the vaccine affects our natural immune system to the point that it overtakes our ability to naturally fight off a virus, and therefore exposes us to contracting Covid, as well as any other viruses, much more easily because our natural immune system is compromised by the chemicals that are injected into our systems. And I've heard that this is not a temporary thing, that it is permanent for the rest of our lives. I've also heard that this virus mutates every 10 hours, and although the new strains are weaker than the original strain the current vaccines do not address these new strains at all.

What if it is discovered that all these many millions of people who are getting these vaccines will have permanent damage and possibly life-shortening effects from this vaccine? We don't have an answer for that. We don't have answers to a lot of questions about the vaccines because the testing of it has not been completed....far from it, as it usually takes years to complete testing of new vaccines....not months.

The fact that the vaccine is not approved by the FDA (the government surpassed that by calling this an emergency) and that there has not been enough time to study the long term effects of the vaccine, I am extremely reluctant to get it.

This is an hour long video that someone else posted on OPP, but I thought it was very enlightening as to how the vaccine works and how our immune systems work with regard to response to the vaccine. It is fairly technical, but I believe by the end of the video it is very clear that there is a whole lot wrong with these vaccines, and people should research them much more than they are doing before getting the injection:

https://www.brighteon.com/257797f0-06fa-4596-be69-af71bb3adc21

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

Just wait for the cancer to kick in because the mRNA placed into the vaccines inactivates tumor-suppressing proteins, meaning it can promote cancer! No wonder Mark Zuckerberg is scared to death! Check out Scientist at Sloan Kettering!

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

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Well, I took the first Moderna vaccine shot last Friday a week ago with no odd symptoms. April 2, I get the second shot. Wish me luck!

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

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Well, the Globalists did set a policy of population reduction by 75%, or also a reported 90%! Is the C-19 and vaccine effort one of death?

okie don

Good luck Manning...
We're both getting up there...