EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast

The Bigger Picture
We must understand how hydrogen is made to see the whole picture.

Hydrogen is produced from water. About 70 million tons of hydrogen are produced each year. This is primarily used for ammonia fertilizer. And 96% of hydrogen production is made by a process known as steam-methane reformation.

Here’s the problem. This process uses energy created by natural gas, coal, and oil to produce that hydrogen. In all, the industry produces 830 million metric tons of carbon dioxide every year to produce this “clean” hydrogen fuel.

Not so clean after all.

In fact, I would argue… what’s the point?

If we have to burn massive amounts of carbon-based fuel just to put hydrogen in our cars, we aren’t helping the environment at all. We are only displacing where the carbon emissions take place, not whether they happen in the first place.

It is really no different than fueling our electric vehicles with electricity produced from coal, natural gas, or oil. It is nonsensical to think that we are helping the environment by doing this.

As for the remaining 4% of hydrogen production, it is produced using electrolysis. This process uses electricity to split the hydrogen out of the water.

And on the surface, this sounds better than steam-methane reformation.

But where does the electricity really come from? Again, the answer is almost entirely from fossil fuel power plants or nuclear fission power plants (radioactive waste).

So where does this leave us?

Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile

bio-diesel

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

They really need to be searching for true alternative energy sources before oil and gas run out. It will take many decades to see a mature renewable energy source, such as cold fusion, to be developed.

Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile

yep. Bio-diesel .

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DaWg44

The greenies don’t care about facts. Mining & processing all the minerals needed for batteries wind turbine blades, solar cells, circuit board parts, motors, has a tremendous carbon footprint & is an environmental disaster in Africa. Turbine blades are not recyclable at this point.

The first thing greenies need to understand is CO2 is necessary for life, just as necessary as oxygen. I worked in generating plants for years, coal, #6 oil which is not a liquid at anything near room temperature, gas, & nuclear. There is clean coal & oil. Natural gas is the next best option to nuclear. Small package nuclear plants are making France rich.

CO2 can be buried but the most obvious solution is plant more trees, grass, forget covering 1,000’s of acres with solar panels. With 50-60 million more in population because of Obama/Biden border policy, we are going to need that land for crops.

All the pie in the sky bs from biased scientists, biased media, & outright criminal conspiracies feeds venture capitalists like Gore who have enough political clout to get Government to cover their investments with interest, deals like Solendra. There have been hundreds more that did not make the news

I thought when the conspiracy in England was outed some of the greenies would start thinking. When NASA has had to change their predictions, I thought some of the greenies would start thinking. Apparently they are incapable of thinking. They can’t see their heroes, the ones telling them the end of time is nigh, not doing a damn thing about it. Obama bought beach front property. Gore, the movie stars, Kerry, rich are not giving up their jets, yachts , multiple mansions. Many of them are vacationing in The Maldives which were supposed to be under water 30 years ago.

They might consider that China controls 90% of the sources for the exotic materials needed for this all electric world. China has spent billions & continues to spend building roads to nowhere in Africa, except they are going somewhere, to the deposits of these materials. China has a different approach to African nations than the West has. China does not give a damn about what kind of government a country has, nor do they give a damn about living conditions except for their employees in their operations. If a warlord, bunch of Muslim radicals cross the Chinese, they all die, no fanfare no media hysteria.

Water is what everyone should be concentrating on. It can be cleaned up w/o bankrupting all the civilized countries. People can live with dirty air a helluva lot longer than with no water. The chemicals we are putting in waters now are not removed by current treatment methods in waste treatment or potable water treatment. The various hormones being used & plastics that mimic hormones are affecting bass, frogs, toads, salamanders, may be part of the reason for so many sex challenged people.

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

Hopefully, with carbon-loving plants and trees. They seem to love the stuff. Birds wake up at sunrise, start singing and plants open their pores, converting carbon. Most of life is a circle of some sort.