Examining the Evidence for the Pre-Trib Rapture
Feb 11, 2021 11:11:03 #
ziggy88
Loc: quincy illinois 62301
Examining the Evidence for the Pre-Trib Rapture - By Jack Kinsella
Published on: February 9, 2021
(Jack Kinsella passed away in 2013.)
Researched by Pastor Gary Boyd
Do not lose your faith because the Rapture of the Church has not taken us yet and why nobody should be discouraged that it hasn’t happened yet.
We discussed the fact that God is long-suffering towards us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance and suggested that what appears to us to be a delay is really God providing one last chance for the lost before the Lord Jesus comes for His Church.
As usual, it prompted a firestorm of emails from people demanding that I prove to them that there is such a thing as a pre-Trib Rapture, using all the usual ‘bait’ — I am preaching falsehood that will somehow harm the Church and that the Bible doesn’t teach a ‘great escape’ etc., etc.
It is fascinating to me how those who hold to a different view of the Rapture are so hateful toward those who anticipate the Rapture first and the Tribulation to follow. It is as if they have a holy mission to change my view inspired by the holy spirit to match theirs.
On the other hand, I feel no such mission to ‘convert’ them. Whether one believes in a pre, mid, or post-Trib Rapture, or whether one believes in the Rapture at all, when it happens, if such a one is saved and born again, they will be just as raptured as somebody who doesn’t.
We aren’t saved by the timing of the Rapture, or even by the doctrine of the Rapture. We are saved by trusting in the completed Work of the Cross through the shed Blood of Jesus Christ, shed on our behalf as an atonement for sin. Period.
Additionally, many of my critics say that in teaching a pre-Trib Rapture, I am condemning Christians to lose their faith during the Tribulation.
The reasoning goes like this: Since I teach a pre-Trib Rapture, if it doesn’t happen, the faith of those Christians who shared my view will be so shattered that they will turn away from Christ, accept the Mark of the Beast, and be lost forever.
The obvious flaws in that line of reasoning are immediate and obvious. First, saving faith is in Christ, not the Rapture. Secondly, the Scripture promises the Holy Spirit will indwell me until Jesus returns, so it is impossible for me to be both truly indwelt and to turn away, accept the Mark, or be lost forever.
Finally, a pre-Tribulation Rapture is the only explanation that meets all the difficulties presented by Scripture in regard to any other view.
One of the first objections to the doctrine of the Rapture is that the word ‘Rapture’ doesn’t appear in the Bible. (As many have noted already, neither does the word ‘Bible’ appear in the Bible. What does that mean?)
The word ‘Rapture’ is derived from the Greek word, ‘harpazo,’ which means to ‘seize, carry off by force,’ or to ‘snatch out or away.’ The Greek ‘harpazo’ translates into Latin as ‘rapios,’ and it is from the Latin that we get our word ‘rapture.’
1st Corinthians 15:51-58 describes a translation of New Testament saints that involves an instantaneous change from mortality to immortality. Those believers living at that hour will never see death. Read of it here. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
1st Thessalonians 4:16-17 describes the same event, saying that the dead in Christ ‘rise first’ and then we who are alive and remain will be ‘caught up’ (harpazo, rapios) to be with Him in the clouds. “ For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.” That is very is it not?
The Throne in Heaven
Revelation 4 - After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2 At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. 3 And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne. 4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders (these are the saved). They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads. 5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God. 6 Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.
In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. 7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. 8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:
“‘Holy, holy, holy
is the Lord God Almighty,’
who was, and is, and is to come.”
9 Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.”
So between the ending of Rev. chapter 3 and the start of 4 the saints are on their thrones as the 24 elders in heaven. After the rapture Revelation no longer talks of the church on earth because it is already in heaven.
The Rapture is definitely a Biblical doctrine, unless we want to discard or allegorize away what is clearly a literal teaching. But does it take place before the Tribulation, during the Tribulation, or at its end?
1 Thessalonians 1:9-10, 5:1-9, Romans 5:9, and Revelation 3:10 all promise that Church-Age believers will be ‘saved from the wrath to come.’ The Tribulation Period is expressly called the Day of God’s Wrath.
Today, the Lord is withholding judgment. He sits on the Throne of Grace, but the day approaches when He will sit at the Seat of Judgment. Then, the ‘day of His wrath’ will fall upon all the world (Psalms 110:5, Revelation 6:17, Isaiah 13:6-13).
There are those who believe Scripture promises that the Church won’t be saved OUT of the Great Tribulation, but instead think that the Church will be saved THROUGH it. That view collides with Revelation 13:5-8, which clearly teaches that those on earth during the Tribulation won’t be delivered from wrath, but rather, will be overcome by it. These are the tribulation saints that are saved during tribulation.
“The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people (tribulation saints) and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
This is key - “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.” Yes the saints are the ones who come to God after the rapture but must suffer persecution during the great tribulation.
It also fractures Daniel 7:21’s prophecy that says of the antichrist (the little horn), “I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them.”
If the antichrist prevails against the Tribulation saints and overcomes them, as Scripture clearly says, then it cannot simultaneously be that those same saints are delivered ‘through’ the Tribulation. Then the saints before the tribulation in the grave and alive are the ones who are raptured into heaven to receive their thrones as the 24 elders and be given crowns of glory forever.
The Scripture says the restraining ministry of the Holy Spirit will be removed BEFORE the Tribulation. Thus it goes with the saved at the rapture because the spirit is in us. Then there will nothing holding back the wicked to do their will on the earth during the tribulation and as the Bible says things will wax worse and worse.
The Bible says the Holy Spirit is the restrainer of sin (Genesis 6:3, Isaiah 59:19). The Holy Spirit came into the world in His present special dispensation at Pentecost (Acts 2), specifically to empower the Church for the Great Commission.
2nd Thessalonians 2:1-8 makes it clear that His restraining influence is FIRST ‘taken out of the way’ and THEN ‘that Wicked’ is revealed. If the Holy Spirit will not leave or forsake me until Jesus comes, then He cannot be taken out of the world without taking me with Him. To argue otherwise is to amend Jesus’ Promise to mean [instead] the Comforter will never leave or forsake you — except when you need Him the most.
The Church plays no role in the Tribulation Period, which is the time of Jacob’s trouble, the 70th Week of Daniel. It is expressly reserved for two purposes: judgment against a Christ-rejecting world, and to bring about the national redemption of Israel described in Zechariah Chapter 12.
In the Book of the Revelation, chapter 4:1 begins with John hearing the phrase, “Come up hither!” From that moment forward, there is no mention of the Church on earth, although the first three chapters discussed nothing else. The Church is not mentioned again until Chapter nineteen when the Church returns along with the Lord.
Jesus told the Church, “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also” (John 14:2-3).
But when Jesus comes at the end of the Tribulation, He comes to set up a Messianic kingdom on earth. If the Tribulation were for Church-Age believers, that promise would not be fulfilled.
Then there is the doctrine of imminency. The Bible says the Second Coming at the end of the Tribulation will be preceded by specific signs — see Matthew 24: 29-35, for example. 29 “Immediately after the distress of those days “‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ 30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect (tribulation saints) from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. 32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. (The fig tree is Israel, thus the generation that sees Israel established as a nation in 1948, that generation will not pass away until it seems the coming of the son of man).
The Apostle Paul said that we need not worry about the signs of the times because the Church is promised redemption from the ‘day of darkness’ that is to overcome the whole world (2nd Thessalonians 5:1-5). Pretribulational Christians are awaiting Christ, not the antichrist.
It is clear that the pre-Tribulation Rapture is the only explanation that satisfies the requirements of Scripture.
“Wherefore, comfort one another with these words” (1st Thessalonians 4:13-18). 13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words. Maranatha…..
Published on: February 9, 2021
(Jack Kinsella passed away in 2013.)
Researched by Pastor Gary Boyd
Do not lose your faith because the Rapture of the Church has not taken us yet and why nobody should be discouraged that it hasn’t happened yet.
We discussed the fact that God is long-suffering towards us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance and suggested that what appears to us to be a delay is really God providing one last chance for the lost before the Lord Jesus comes for His Church.
As usual, it prompted a firestorm of emails from people demanding that I prove to them that there is such a thing as a pre-Trib Rapture, using all the usual ‘bait’ — I am preaching falsehood that will somehow harm the Church and that the Bible doesn’t teach a ‘great escape’ etc., etc.
It is fascinating to me how those who hold to a different view of the Rapture are so hateful toward those who anticipate the Rapture first and the Tribulation to follow. It is as if they have a holy mission to change my view inspired by the holy spirit to match theirs.
On the other hand, I feel no such mission to ‘convert’ them. Whether one believes in a pre, mid, or post-Trib Rapture, or whether one believes in the Rapture at all, when it happens, if such a one is saved and born again, they will be just as raptured as somebody who doesn’t.
We aren’t saved by the timing of the Rapture, or even by the doctrine of the Rapture. We are saved by trusting in the completed Work of the Cross through the shed Blood of Jesus Christ, shed on our behalf as an atonement for sin. Period.
Additionally, many of my critics say that in teaching a pre-Trib Rapture, I am condemning Christians to lose their faith during the Tribulation.
The reasoning goes like this: Since I teach a pre-Trib Rapture, if it doesn’t happen, the faith of those Christians who shared my view will be so shattered that they will turn away from Christ, accept the Mark of the Beast, and be lost forever.
The obvious flaws in that line of reasoning are immediate and obvious. First, saving faith is in Christ, not the Rapture. Secondly, the Scripture promises the Holy Spirit will indwell me until Jesus returns, so it is impossible for me to be both truly indwelt and to turn away, accept the Mark, or be lost forever.
Finally, a pre-Tribulation Rapture is the only explanation that meets all the difficulties presented by Scripture in regard to any other view.
One of the first objections to the doctrine of the Rapture is that the word ‘Rapture’ doesn’t appear in the Bible. (As many have noted already, neither does the word ‘Bible’ appear in the Bible. What does that mean?)
The word ‘Rapture’ is derived from the Greek word, ‘harpazo,’ which means to ‘seize, carry off by force,’ or to ‘snatch out or away.’ The Greek ‘harpazo’ translates into Latin as ‘rapios,’ and it is from the Latin that we get our word ‘rapture.’
1st Corinthians 15:51-58 describes a translation of New Testament saints that involves an instantaneous change from mortality to immortality. Those believers living at that hour will never see death. Read of it here. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
1st Thessalonians 4:16-17 describes the same event, saying that the dead in Christ ‘rise first’ and then we who are alive and remain will be ‘caught up’ (harpazo, rapios) to be with Him in the clouds. “ For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.” That is very is it not?
The Throne in Heaven
Revelation 4 - After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2 At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. 3 And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne. 4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders (these are the saved). They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads. 5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God. 6 Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.
In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. 7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. 8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:
“‘Holy, holy, holy
is the Lord God Almighty,’
who was, and is, and is to come.”
9 Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.”
So between the ending of Rev. chapter 3 and the start of 4 the saints are on their thrones as the 24 elders in heaven. After the rapture Revelation no longer talks of the church on earth because it is already in heaven.
The Rapture is definitely a Biblical doctrine, unless we want to discard or allegorize away what is clearly a literal teaching. But does it take place before the Tribulation, during the Tribulation, or at its end?
1 Thessalonians 1:9-10, 5:1-9, Romans 5:9, and Revelation 3:10 all promise that Church-Age believers will be ‘saved from the wrath to come.’ The Tribulation Period is expressly called the Day of God’s Wrath.
Today, the Lord is withholding judgment. He sits on the Throne of Grace, but the day approaches when He will sit at the Seat of Judgment. Then, the ‘day of His wrath’ will fall upon all the world (Psalms 110:5, Revelation 6:17, Isaiah 13:6-13).
There are those who believe Scripture promises that the Church won’t be saved OUT of the Great Tribulation, but instead think that the Church will be saved THROUGH it. That view collides with Revelation 13:5-8, which clearly teaches that those on earth during the Tribulation won’t be delivered from wrath, but rather, will be overcome by it. These are the tribulation saints that are saved during tribulation.
“The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people (tribulation saints) and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
This is key - “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.” Yes the saints are the ones who come to God after the rapture but must suffer persecution during the great tribulation.
It also fractures Daniel 7:21’s prophecy that says of the antichrist (the little horn), “I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them.”
If the antichrist prevails against the Tribulation saints and overcomes them, as Scripture clearly says, then it cannot simultaneously be that those same saints are delivered ‘through’ the Tribulation. Then the saints before the tribulation in the grave and alive are the ones who are raptured into heaven to receive their thrones as the 24 elders and be given crowns of glory forever.
The Scripture says the restraining ministry of the Holy Spirit will be removed BEFORE the Tribulation. Thus it goes with the saved at the rapture because the spirit is in us. Then there will nothing holding back the wicked to do their will on the earth during the tribulation and as the Bible says things will wax worse and worse.
The Bible says the Holy Spirit is the restrainer of sin (Genesis 6:3, Isaiah 59:19). The Holy Spirit came into the world in His present special dispensation at Pentecost (Acts 2), specifically to empower the Church for the Great Commission.
2nd Thessalonians 2:1-8 makes it clear that His restraining influence is FIRST ‘taken out of the way’ and THEN ‘that Wicked’ is revealed. If the Holy Spirit will not leave or forsake me until Jesus comes, then He cannot be taken out of the world without taking me with Him. To argue otherwise is to amend Jesus’ Promise to mean [instead] the Comforter will never leave or forsake you — except when you need Him the most.
The Church plays no role in the Tribulation Period, which is the time of Jacob’s trouble, the 70th Week of Daniel. It is expressly reserved for two purposes: judgment against a Christ-rejecting world, and to bring about the national redemption of Israel described in Zechariah Chapter 12.
In the Book of the Revelation, chapter 4:1 begins with John hearing the phrase, “Come up hither!” From that moment forward, there is no mention of the Church on earth, although the first three chapters discussed nothing else. The Church is not mentioned again until Chapter nineteen when the Church returns along with the Lord.
Jesus told the Church, “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also” (John 14:2-3).
But when Jesus comes at the end of the Tribulation, He comes to set up a Messianic kingdom on earth. If the Tribulation were for Church-Age believers, that promise would not be fulfilled.
Then there is the doctrine of imminency. The Bible says the Second Coming at the end of the Tribulation will be preceded by specific signs — see Matthew 24: 29-35, for example. 29 “Immediately after the distress of those days “‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ 30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect (tribulation saints) from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. 32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. (The fig tree is Israel, thus the generation that sees Israel established as a nation in 1948, that generation will not pass away until it seems the coming of the son of man).
The Apostle Paul said that we need not worry about the signs of the times because the Church is promised redemption from the ‘day of darkness’ that is to overcome the whole world (2nd Thessalonians 5:1-5). Pretribulational Christians are awaiting Christ, not the antichrist.
It is clear that the pre-Tribulation Rapture is the only explanation that satisfies the requirements of Scripture.
“Wherefore, comfort one another with these words” (1st Thessalonians 4:13-18). 13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words. Maranatha…..
Feb 11, 2021 12:08:09 #
All those bizarre creatures. John surely must have been in his cups when he wrote that stuff. Or maybe some magic mushrooms? 😅
Feb 11, 2021 13:55:56 #
JFlorio
Loc: Seminole Florida
My Pastor who I consider a scholar on Bible Prophesy believes as I do. Pre - tribulation rapture. One of his arguments is the word Church. In the Bible Church means “the believers”. They were/are the Church. Only in Revelation Chapter 1 is the word church used. The Church is gone from the rest of the Book. Even though Pastor believes many gentiles will become believers during the tribulation, he believes the Book of Revelation is primarily aimed at our “stiff necked” Jewish friends.
Feb 11, 2021 15:30:40 #
JFlorio wrote:
... Even though Pastor believes many gentiles will become believers during the tribulation, he believes the Book of Revelation is primarily aimed at our “stiff necked” Jewish friends.
Not a problem. As Revelation clearly says, God is going to kill all non-Protestant evangelicals anyway. The rest, he’s going to suck up into the clouds where there’s no air and it’s 80 below zero. Serves ‘em right.
Feb 11, 2021 16:41:04 #
ziggy88
Loc: quincy illinois 62301
As you say "our stiff necked Jewish friends" after the rapture, it is then they will know they have been left behind. It will be clear to them then, as the veil is lifted, they will now know have to come to God in the great revival awakening that will be sweeping the earth. The 144,000 that come out of Israel will preach the gospel unto the whole world and it is then and only then that the end will begin with the great tribulation taking stage and the abomination of desolation ringing in our ears. If indeed the rapture happens this years then only 7 years later Jesus will come at the second advent. Come soon Jesus. Maranatha.........
Feb 11, 2021 16:45:06 #
Feb 11, 2021 18:24:38 #
ziggy88 wrote:
If indeed the rapture happens this years then only 7 years later Jesus will come at the second advent. Come soon Jesus. Maranatha.........
Don’t hold your breath. 🙄
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