AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

“Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not”. Thomas Jefferson

FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
3. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.
4. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?
5. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.
6. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.
7. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.
8. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.
9. The United States Constitution (c)1791. All Rights Reserved.
10. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?
11. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.
12. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
13. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.
14. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
15. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.
16. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.
17. Assault is a behavior, not a device.
18. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.
19. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.
20. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.
21. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.
22. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don't make more.
23. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.
24. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia

I love this post. Thank you. Now if we could just get more people to understand what gun control is really about.

Right on AuntE

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Loki Loc: Georgia

To number 16 I might add: The average response by police to a 911 call is several minutes on a really good day. The average response time for my .45 is around 1000 feet per second, on a good day.

Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx

You need to boost your loads or lighten the slug. 1000 fps is to slow and the target has to be way to close.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Now really! Prior to making murder illegal, you could kill anyone you wanted, same thing for robbery. Once ARMED robbery became even MORE illegal, robberies stopped hap-..., wait, that's crap. Huh, it seems like making laws for those who don't obey laws is, I don't know, F*^KING STUPID.

Guns don't obey laws, so writing laws to control them is useless. Only law abiding citizens obey laws and they don't need to be controlled. I'm thinking about writing a law requiring the trash to empty itself. I wonder how long that will take?

Loki Loc: Georgia

You need to check your ballistics, or purchase a chronograph. Factory ballistics are obtained by firing from a 10" closed barrel under ideal conditions, with absolutely no gas leakage. A 230 grain round will chrono out at around 850-900 fps under these conditions. I use hot loaded 220 grain HPs, which chrono at slightly over 1000 fps (5 shot average ). Normally, this muzzle velocity is obtained by using 185 grain bullets. A 230 that chronos at higher mv with this weight of bullet out of a 4.5 " barrel such as my Glock produces unacceptable pressures, at least for more than occasional use.
By contrast, a .44 magnum, with a 240 grain bullet, fired from a 4.5" barrel, produces around 1175 fps MV, with extremely heavy recoil and muzzle flash.
A 220 grain bullet that produces 1000 fps out of a 4.5" barrel with acceptable recoil is quite hot. I take it you have never been in a firefight with a handgun. Fast recovery for subsequent shots after the first one are vital. Try a realistic drill. Exercise until you are winded. This will sort of simulate an adrenaline rush. Immediately draw and fire as fast as you can at a torso sized target at a realistic range, like 10-15 paces. Remember, the target is shooting back. You are scared and shaky. You may not hit that first shot.
I mean no disrespect, but reality and theory don't always agree. Your opponent may not be very cooperative. He may not stand still and not shoot back. Training should be based on speed, and getting at least 2 or 3 rounds into the vital area as quickly as possible under various conditions. You are not going to shoot a 2" group at 25 meters in real life. Bear in mind, you will probably not be shooting from a classic Weaver stance, either.

Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx

Wow, sorry wasn't questioning your knowledge, or selection of ammo. Making light of a serious subject.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Sorry. Must be the steroid shots for my back injury. Either that, or I have been fielding too much anti-gun bullshit on another thread. No offense.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

My .357, using Buffalo Bore Ammo is 1700 fps. With other ammo it is about 1150 fps. But, the .45 may have more stopping power. However, I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of either one.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Just what the world does not need....a Loki on steroids. :D

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

The proggies would really have something to look forward to if he were on steroids. In fact, I could use a few myself, of course, just to get the old bod moving again.

ghostgotcha Loc: The Florida swamps

Well, well, well. Someone who knows something about shooting. "Classic Weaver" is the stance of Professionals. Hand or long gun...

One attaboy. and watch out for my 12 ga at 25 yds. That Ithaca will mow you into multiple parts.

Loki Loc: Georgia

This assumes that
1). You shoot first.
2). You don't miss.

Loki Loc: Georgia

As long as the one I'm writing, directing the lawn to mow itself.