Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

Yesterday I was conversing with Alex on the subject of federal taxes and federal charity programs. He decided to end the conversation with me. I left the post thinking what does he want? I believe that he and other TPs want to abolish all federal taxes. They only want the states to have that authority and each state to make its own laws concerning social programs. I see nothing but the disintegration of a strong central government by doing this. No revenue no government. States will be left on their own to develop roads bridges schools etc. The poor of that state would be at the mercy of the elected. States would have to have Armies for protection. No doubt some would war amongst the other. Free movement between states may end and a passport system would have to be implemented. Different currencys with different values and 50 seperate banking systems.There will no longer be a United States just a group of 50 countrys that may not live in Harmony with each other no doubt some would be very poor and unable to make it on their own. Lack of enviornmental protections will lead to poisoned water. Do away with the federal government and this is what you will get

Patty

If Washington stuck to the authority given them by the people in the constitution the need for big government and high taxation wouldn't be necessary.
In a nutshell, our Constitution authorizes the federal government to handle the following objects for the Country at Large:
•Military defense, international commerce & relations;
•Control immigration & naturalization of new citizens;
•Domestically, to create a uniform commercial system: weights & measures, patents & copyrights, money based on gold & silver, bankruptcy laws, mail delivery & some road building; and
•With some of the amendments, secure certain civil rights.

Basically, that’s it. As stated in the 10th Amendment, all others powers are reserved by the States or The People.

"Art. I, Sec. 7, cls. 2 & 3, grants to the President the power to approve or veto Bills and Resolutions passed by Congress.

Art. I, Sec. 9, next to last clause, grants to the executive Branch – the Treasury Department – the power to write checks pursuant to Appropriations made by law – i.e., by Congress.

Art. II, Sec. 1, cl.1, vests “executive Power” [see below] in the President.

Art. II, Sec. 1, last clause, sets forth the President’s Oath of Office – to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States”.

Art. II, Sec. 2, cl.1:
•makes the President Commander in Chief of the armed forces when they have been called by Congress into the actual service of the United States. 3
•authorizes the President to require the principal Officers in the executive Departments to provide written Opinions upon the Duties of their Offices.
• grants the President power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for offenses against the United States, 4 but he can not stop impeachments of any federal judge or federal officer.

Article II, Sec. 2, cl. 2 grants to the President the power:
•to make Treaties – with the advice and consent of the Senate. 5
•to nominate Ambassadors, other public ministers and Consuls, federal judges, and various other officers – with the advice and consent of the Senate.

Article II, Sec. 2, cl. 3 grants to the President the power to make recess appointments, which expire at the end of Congress’ next session.

Art. II, Sec. 3:
•Imposes the duty on the President to periodically advise Congress on the State of the Union, and authorizes the President to recommend to Congress such measures as he deems wise.
•Authorizes the President, on extraordinary Occasions, to convene one or both houses of Congress [e.g., when he asks Congress to declare War]; and if both houses can not agree on when to adjourn, he is authorized to adjourn them to such time as he deems proper.
•Imposes the duty upon the President to receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers.
•Imposes the duty upon the President to take care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and
•Imposes the duty upon the President to Commission all the Officers of the United States".
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Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

So what you are tying to say is the constitution is not and has not been followed.

CharlesRabb

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saveamerica Loc: Texas

You are exactly right, that is all the President can do. Now you can see how far Obama has overstep.
It is also nice to see other people to quote the Constitution and its standing.

Patty

They usurp their authority in about 9 out of 10 things they do.

JMHO Loc: Utah

I believe you have taken this to an extreme. Patty hit the nail on the head with her response...follow the Constitution. We need a smaller less intrusive central government. We need a fairer tax system, like a flat tax. We have the highest corporate tax in the word, and many companies leave the USA because of this. The Treasury has brought in a record amount of tax dollars for the past two fiscal years, and we're still running a deficit. We have a record amount of Americans in trouble with the IRS because they can't pay their taxes. Our work force is turning into a work force of part-time workers...middle class incomes are down $8,000 a year. Lower the taxes, let people keep more of their money, turn more power back to the states and get the government out of our faces and homes, and let's get this economy back on it's feet.

Patty

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: If I may add .... let the businesses who aren't competitive enough in the free market fail.

MrEd Loc: Georgia

From what you just said, it is plain that you know nothing about government or how it works, or should I say how it is supposed to work. You have a lot of study ahead of you if you hope to learn anything about how this country is supposed to work. It'd not really hard, but you won't even do that. Your one of the left wing dummies that doesn't know what he is talking about and is to sorry to learn.

This government was founded on the States having most of the power and controlling the government, but Lincoln saw to the end of that. Why do you think we had a Civil War?? Do you still REALLY think it was about slavery?? The Northern aggression had to have a reason to attack the South and they used slavery as an excuse to lie to their own people and convince them that they were freeing people from slavery. Since they controlled the press, everyone bought it and they attacked the South. The South did not want war, but it was forced on them by Lincoln.

I could go on, but you will not listen. You think you have all the answers and no one else has anything worth while to say. That is the biggest problem we have in this country right now. People don't know and they will not learn.

If you are the least bit interested in learning, then go here; http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/about/
This lady has been a Constitutional lawyer for the last 30 years or more and I think she knows what she is talking about. Go to the lower right where it says Categories and read all of them. By the time you get done, you will know how this country is supposed to be run and how the government is supposed to work.

Ve'hoe

Huh???? The states existed long before the "Union" and what you said, didn't happen,,,, why would it happen now??

Nonsequitor

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

Where is the Supreme Court in all this? I thought they had say in what is constitutional and what is not. Like you I want to think our electeds follow the constitution

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

Thankyou much for your responce. I did go exteme but perhaps I am un aware of the intent of some . You are a good man obviosly careing about the worker.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

Thankyou for your reply. I will read the link when I have more time. Please do not prejudge me . I am not close minded.

saveamerica Loc: Texas

You are right.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

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