Blacksheep wrote:
The Judas and the 30 silver pieces story is very likely apocryphal. Also that he hung himself. There's too many variations on the theme and too many gospels left out, such as the Gospel of Judas. Not that it matters because none of it matters. It's history lied about and twisted out of all recognition by fat priests who saw how to empower themselves. Religion is bullshit.
There is a God, but there's not one person on earth who can say what God is.
Put it this way. Hold a flame to your arm and burn yourself, and then describe to me how that felt, so exactly that I actually feel it myself. Can you do that? Of course not. I will never feel your pain and no description will ever get me to. In the same way, God can't be described. No one can say that God has a plan, because no one can possibly know that.
No one can say that God is in control of anything because no one can possibly know that.
It is easier to measure the diameter of the entire Universe than to describe God in any way, to say what God is or what God does.
God is like a burn. You can experience it but you can never in your lifetime pass that knowledge on.
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Well blacky, we agree again, mostly. Regarding religion, most is just bullsquat but, about all those fat priests...How do you know? Could there not be any skinny ones? Were priests immune from things such as Crohn's disease, type 2 diabetes, hyperthyroidism, cancer and inflammatory bowel disease? See how flawed that logic is?
Now, let's try knowing and comprehension. You seem to me to be a person that would rather know things through your five senses, then believe, using your comprehension. I think the senses are truly valuable tools. I also agree that trying to describe the taste of chicken to somebody who has never eaten it or, describing that aroma with that certain je ne sais quoi that fills the room after a night of tequila and chimichangas is dang near impossible to somebody who has a head cold.
Which brings me to my next point. The senses are connected to your brain through an elaborate and miraculous system of nerves that provide it input. What happens when the input is false? I mean, try to explain to someone who is hearing or seeing things that you don't see or hear, their perceptions are wrong. Would they be wrong because you can't discern them or, because your discernment is superior to theirs? Have you ever heard that crazy people don't believe they are crazy, they just think you are.
If Helen Keller tried to read a hot waffle iron, what would she know? I'll bet you'd say, she'd know not to touch shit in the kitchen, but would she comprehend the reason why? I think people can know God but, nobody can comprehend Him. He is truly incomprehensible. I agree with you again, mostly. I just think you error using the words knowing and comprehending as interchangeable terms.
Knowledge is personal to everybody. Your knowledge and my knowledge can and do agree sometimes, but when they do not, who is right? If you say I am, you're a genius (kidding).
God is incomprehensible apart from anything we know about Him. Conversely, God has revealed many things to us, that's what we can say we know about Him.
"For God to be knowable to us, means that we can be aware of him through inquiry, observation and information, as well as have a relationship with him. Additionally, to say that God is incomprehensible means that he is so great and perfect, that we, as his creation, cannot fully fathom or understand his majesty. These two facts about God while perhaps sounding like they are regarding the same thing, in fact are not at all. The ability to know him does not necessitate that we be able to know everything about him to its maximum ability."
"In scripture, we are told many things about God that make him knowable to us. Some of these tell us that he is love (1 Jn 4:8), light (1 Jn 1:5), spirit (John 4:24) and righteous (Rom 3:26). As we study Gods word and see what it reveals to us about God, we will most likely come to the point where we begin to realize that God is so great that we cannot fully comprehend or understand him."
See, we agree, mostly...