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Jul 10, 2014 16:07:22   #
Blacksheep
 
RockKnutne wrote:
Hold those thoughts, I have to go right now. Plus I have to rethink all those back alley dirty stories the older kids told me, to see if my imagination was just better than their descriptions. :shock: :shock: :shock:


Get it all out. Don't forget to push the handle down.
You sure use the shock smilie a lot. Just saying.

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Jul 10, 2014 16:23:24   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
RockKnutne wrote:
Thanks Arm, I can't help myself, I must have OCD. When I see a button, I just have to push it. Has been that way most of my life. I too get embarrassed from time to time, then I just get even.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


Nute, I sho is glads yo doez't has the red button the prrez gots. we be in one mell of a hez.

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Jul 10, 2014 16:37:56   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Blacksheep wrote:
My how you do vacillate. Refugees are people homeless from floods and wars. Those Hispanics are looking for better economic conditions by invading our country illegally.

They are illegal aliens. Invaders. You're right that they aren't illegal immigrants because that's an oxymoron. The definition of an immigrant is a person legally entering another country in order to reside there.

Boy. Illegal alien apologist, you sound more Liberal as each day passes.


If Rock gets too much more liberal we will have to stop talking to him. Or maybe I will have to send over She Who Must Be Obeyed to put him back in line.

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Jul 10, 2014 18:47:58   #
Blacksheep
 
no propaganda please wrote:
If Rock gets too much more liberal we will have to stop talking to him. Or maybe I will have to send over She Who Must Be Obeyed to put him back in line.


People are not always what they seem to be on OPP. I have to admit that it does surprise me some, but not a lot. While I do tend to take people at face value, I also reserve final judgement on everyone. I am who I seem to be, but not everyone is.

There are some really good, genuine people here, too. Unfortunately about half of them have religion cluttering up their vision, but they're inherently decent people in spite of it.

Yeah, I can say that easily. Most people who parade their religious views end up being the worst jerks and hypocrites we know.

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Jul 10, 2014 19:40:29   #
RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll
 
Blacksheep wrote:
The Judas and the 30 silver pieces story is very likely apocryphal. Also that he hung himself. There's too many variations on the theme and too many gospels left out, such as the Gospel of Judas. Not that it matters because none of it matters. It's history lied about and twisted out of all recognition by fat priests who saw how to empower themselves. Religion is bullshit.
There is a God, but there's not one person on earth who can say what God is.

Put it this way. Hold a flame to your arm and burn yourself, and then describe to me how that felt, so exactly that I actually feel it myself. Can you do that? Of course not. I will never feel your pain and no description will ever get me to. In the same way, God can't be described. No one can say that God has a plan, because no one can possibly know that.
No one can say that God is in control of anything because no one can possibly know that.

It is easier to measure the diameter of the entire Universe than to describe God in any way, to say what God is or what God does.

God is like a burn. You can experience it but you can never in your lifetime pass that knowledge on.
The Judas and the 30 silver pieces story is very l... (show quote)


Well blacky, we agree again, mostly. Regarding religion, most is just bullsquat but, about all those fat priests...How do you know? Could there not be any skinny ones? Were priests immune from things such as Crohn's disease, type 2 diabetes, hyperthyroidism, cancer and inflammatory bowel disease? See how flawed that logic is?

Now, let's try knowing and comprehension. You seem to me to be a person that would rather know things through your five senses, then believe, using your comprehension. I think the senses are truly valuable tools. I also agree that trying to describe the taste of chicken to somebody who has never eaten it or, describing that aroma with that certain je ne sais quoi that fills the room after a night of tequila and chimichangas is dang near impossible to somebody who has a head cold.

Which brings me to my next point. The senses are connected to your brain through an elaborate and miraculous system of nerves that provide it input. What happens when the input is false? I mean, try to explain to someone who is hearing or seeing things that you don't see or hear, their perceptions are wrong. Would they be wrong because you can't discern them or, because your discernment is superior to theirs? Have you ever heard that crazy people don't believe they are crazy, they just think you are.

If Helen Keller tried to read a hot waffle iron, what would she know? I'll bet you'd say, she'd know not to touch shit in the kitchen, but would she comprehend the reason why? I think people can know God but, nobody can comprehend Him. He is truly incomprehensible. I agree with you again, mostly. I just think you error using the words knowing and comprehending as interchangeable terms.

Knowledge is personal to everybody. Your knowledge and my knowledge can and do agree sometimes, but when they do not, who is right? If you say I am, you're a genius (kidding).

God is incomprehensible apart from anything we know about Him. Conversely, God has revealed many things to us, that's what we can say we know about Him.

"For God to be knowable to us, means that we can be aware of him through inquiry, observation and information, as well as have a relationship with him. Additionally, to say that God is incomprehensible means that he is so great and perfect, that we, as his creation, cannot fully fathom or understand his majesty. These two facts about God while perhaps sounding like they are regarding the same thing, in fact are not at all. The ability to know him does not necessitate that we be able to know everything about him to it’s maximum ability."

"In scripture, we are told many things about God that make him knowable to us. Some of these tell us that he is love (1 Jn 4:8), light (1 Jn 1:5), spirit (John 4:24) and righteous (Rom 3:26). As we study God’s word and see what it reveals to us about God, we will most likely come to the point where we begin to realize that God is so great that we cannot fully comprehend or understand him."

See, we agree, mostly...

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Jul 10, 2014 19:47:37   #
RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll
 
Blacksheep wrote:
Get it all out. Don't forget to push the handle down.
You sure use the shock smilie a lot. Just saying.


I did get it all out, I want to make sure I don't sound like I'm full of shit when I comment. I wish more people would try that.

If you noticed, I only use the shock smile in threads where we both comment, wonder why that would be...?

:XD: :XD: :XD:

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Jul 10, 2014 19:51:33   #
RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll
 
Armageddun wrote:
Nute, I sho is glads yo doez't has the red button the prrez gots. we be in one mell of a hez.


They wouldn't trust me to run the merry-go-round at a carnival, from a young age I have been directed away from any red buttons. Smarter folks than me run things, now you know why.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Jul 10, 2014 19:59:01   #
RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll
 
no propaganda please wrote:
If Rock gets too much more liberal we will have to stop talking to him. Or maybe I will have to send over She Who Must Be Obeyed to put him back in line.


When I played the piano bar circuit, I was headlined as Liberalrace. What you see on here are flashbacks of my old ways. If you could see me when I type, you'd see I still wear the jackets. I've just swap keyboard types is all...



:evil:

Me doing Vegas
Me doing Vegas...

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Jul 10, 2014 20:02:33   #
RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll
 
Blacksheep wrote:
People are not always what they seem to be on OPP. I have to admit that it does surprise me some, but not a lot. While I do tend to take people at face value, I also reserve final judgement on everyone. I am who I seem to be, but not everyone is.

There are some really good, genuine people here, too. Unfortunately about half of them have religion cluttering up their vision, but they're inherently decent people in spite of it.

Yeah, I can say that easily. Most people who parade their religious views end up being the worst jerks and hypocrites we know.
People are not always what they seem to be on OPP.... (show quote)


"Yeah, I can say that easily" " I also reserve final judgement on everyone.", easy for God Lord Blacksheep, mind if I call you Lord? I like to get in good with those who can make me pay in the end...

:XD:

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Jul 10, 2014 20:15:01   #
Blacksheep
 
RockKnutne wrote:
"Yeah, I can say that easily" " I also reserve final judgement on everyone.", easy for God Lord Blacksheep, mind if I call you Lord? I like to get in good with those who can make me pay in the end...

:XD:


Argument for the sake of argument should be confined to debating practice. Doing it here is just pissing into the wind.

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Jul 10, 2014 20:16:44   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
RockKnutne wrote:
They wouldn't trust me to run the merry-go-round at a carnival, from a young age I have been directed away from any red buttons. Smarter folks than me run things, now you know why.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Jul 10, 2014 20:17:19   #
RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll
 
Blacksheep wrote:
Argument for the sake of argument should be confined to debating practice. Doing it here is just pissing into the wind.


So who is arguing? Now you can't even take a joke anymore, what a grumpy fellow you are these days?

:wink: :lol:

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Jul 10, 2014 20:47:54   #
Blacksheep
 
RockKnutne wrote:
So who is arguing? Now you can't even take a joke anymore, what a grumpy fellow you are these days? :wink: :lol:


You'll have to explain that joke to me, I seem to be too slow to grasp it.

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Jul 10, 2014 22:22:00   #
RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll
 
Blacksheep wrote:
You'll have to explain that joke to me, I seem to be too slow to grasp it.


I guess I need you to explain arguing for the sake of arguing, maybe I'm too slow?

:?:

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