Sicilianthing

Can someone please put it all here...
The Constitution provides for a REDRESS of Grievances... can someone please put the blueprint for that in here... if this fails then they go the way of SADDAM and Khadafi !

Patty

You will find all the answers to your questions here.
http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/

faithistheword

When I read Levin's book, I sure didn't get the same impression as this writer got! I don't understand legaleze very well, but I was sure he was for clarifying the original document, not 'modifying' it. This paper 'sounds' like the writer is putting spin on the meaning Levin had in mind. My copy is not available right now, so can you clarify for me?

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Sicil, It can be pretty bad when your heroes get terminated, but as you enjoy the laws of America, you are safe until you join the revolution and get shot. As to the law, lots of help out their, if nothing else, give the ACLU site a look on line and grab a link....

Sicilianthing

Who's HEROS? My heroes? I have no heroes...
Get shot? Whoever fools decide to take that side when it starts are going to get shot before I or we ever get shot !
As for the LAW, which LAW can you point out that is being enforced now on this topic to bring an end to it peacefully ?
Where is the help that is actually indicting the perpetrators and locking them up for trial ?
Does the ACLU have an armory ready to use ?

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permafrost Loc: Minnesota

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Patty

I will try.
There were only 4 approved agencies under the exec. branch under the constitution. Secretary of State, Secretary of War, Secretary of the Treasury, and Attorney General. Those functions are authorized by our Constitution.
Levin wormed around this by adding a clause that puts limits on any new agency that the exec wants to create.
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“All federal departments and agencies shall expire if said departments and agencies are not individually reauthorized in stand-alone reauthorization bills every three years by a majority vote of the House of Representatives and the Senate.”

As long as Congress periodically “reauthorizes” the agencies – they remain."
Levin further justified them by giving them a budget when they were not constitutional to begin with.
"Now look at Section 2 of Levin’s amendment to “limit the federal bureaucracy”. It says:


“All Executive Branch regulations exceeding an economic burden of $100 million, as determined jointly by the Government Accountability Office and the Congressional Budget Office, shall be submitted to a permanent Joint Committee of Congress, hereafter the Congressional Delegation Oversight Committee, for review and approval prior to their implementation.”

Article I, §1, of our Constitution says only Congress may make laws. "
Section 2 of his amendment legalizes all existing regulations and the rule making process. Levin’s “fix” is merely to form a congressional committee to review certain regulations before they are imposed on the American People.
It is the inumerated powers that the feds are allowed to include in a budget that controlled government spending and not whatever they decided to include in a budget. Levin hands them an iopen check book by this.
Section 1 of his amendment legalizes all the spending which is now unconstitutional as outside the enumerated powers. It says:


“Congress shall adopt a preliminary fiscal year budget no later than the first Monday in May for the following fiscal year, and submit said budget to the President for consideration.”

Levin’s amendment thus legalizes the unconstitutional status quo where the President and Congress adopt a “budget” and spend money on whatever they put in the budget! Levin would permit Congress and the President to lawfully spend money on whatever they want – spending which is now unlawful because our Constitution doesn’t authorize it.

Levin did the same thing with taxes and should be limited to the inumerated powers of the constitution and not just whatever tax they feel like putting on the people,

“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States …” [and] “To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;”

Immediately after clauses 1 & 2 follows the list of enumerated powers we delegated to Congress for the Country at Large. 6

Add to this short list of enumerated powers, the “housekeeping powers” itemized elsewhere in the Constitution (e.g., the census); the salaries authorized by Art. I, §6, cl. 1; Art. II, §1, next to last clause; Art. III, §1, cl. 1, and others on the civil list; and you see the purposes for which Congress is authorized to levy and collect taxes, borrow money, and spend money, for the Country at Large. 7

So! Congress should not be levying taxes except to generate revenue for its constitutional functions."

He did the same thing with land and now as we can see Reid claims that the feds own 89% of Nevada. That is completely unconstitutional.
"The federal government has no lawful authority to own land for any purpose other than those enumerated in the Constitution: Article I, §8, next to last clause, permits the federal government to own the District of Columbia [which was not to exceed “ten Miles square”], and Places purchased with the Consent of the State legislatures for the erection of forts, dock-Yards, and other needful buildings (e.g., federal courthouses, post offices) to carry out the enumerated powers.

The federal government has no lawful authority to own national parks, grazing areas, forests, and such. " Other than DC and forts and ports the land belongs to the people to be controlled by the states.

Levin changed this here .
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“When any governmental entity acts not to secure a private property right against actions that injure property owners, but to take property for a public use from a property owner by actual seizure or through regulation, which taking results in a market value reduction of the property, interference with the use of the property, or a financial loss to the property owner exceeding $10,000, the government shall compensate fully said property owner for such losses.”

Levin’s amendment:

Changes the constitutional standard for federal ownership of lands from carrying out an enumerated power to whatever someone in the federal government deems a “public use” [which can be anything];

Legalizes what are now unconstitutional holdings of lands by the federal government – such as grazing lands;

Legalizes “takings” by regulation – restrictions via regulations on the use of private lands – by all levels of government;

Takes from the States and The People their retained powers over eminent domain and regulatory takings, and makes it a federal issue under the control of the federal government; "

Sicilianthing

Thanks Patty, MY POINT IN CASE... I knew most of this somewhere in the back of my memory... NOW YOU GUYS NEED TO TAKE IT VIRAL and get it to BUNDY RANCH too, cause they're coming back and sooner than you think...

Sicilianthing

With this and other information similar can be formed the framework for charges against the establishment/individuals holding office related to the crimes against the constitution including the Attorney General.
I'm not sure how the Supreme Court is going to be party to this though...
We need a LAW expert to step in and advise...

Patty

Publius Huldah does stop in here often and has volunteered to answer any questions. Im sure most is already on her site. I believe the biggest problem is the people have been indoctrinated to believe that rights are granted by the government. If we could get people to understand what the law of the land is and that the government is our creation not our master then and only then will things change.

Sicilianthing

Understood, then she knows that all this needs to be prepared in her/best-way she knows how to develop the REDRESS of GRIEVANCES... that is the last chance to a peaceful solution...

Patty

That's what these people are trying to do.
The Tenth Amendment Center
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/about/about-the-tenth-amendment/

Sicilianthing

Ok I will look into it Thank You... there's just not enough hours in a day... ha...

Patty

Sadly the more I learn the less I seem to know.

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