rumitoid

The individual Christian does not, in my view, have any concern for "rights" in this world. And they do not act to defend or secure other people their rights, as per defined by any worldly government. Each and every person is to be treated as imago dei. If they are not, it is the Christian's duty to stand with that person or group, not against the forces of suppression.

Paul mentioned he was a citizen of Rome not to protect himself but to embarrass the authorities that looked to persecute him, exposing worldly corruption. A Christian has no right, under God, to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Life and liberty is in a complete surrender to Christ alone, and any true happiness is the direct result of that surrender. We do not pursue happiness; it is a gift of spirit.

Ve'hoe

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

The preamble was written, with the individual Christians, efforts who sacrificed life and limb to establish a more perfect union, free from the tyranny of earthly and man made governments.... so it was with those Christian sacrifices, that they set up a country that mimicked more closely the freedom god established and desired for them...
They gave their lives and risked their freedom for others,,, you are wrong,,,again,
Or did you forget the Jews in Egypt,,,,

Sounds like the UNION you are looking for was the soviet union, it was destroyed by Reagan, because it was Godless,,, corrupt,,, and morally bankrupt, as well as fiscally bankrupt from leftism,,,


It is that leftism, the disease in our country, that we need to excise,,, you cant keep cancer around.... there is no such thing as a leftist bible,,religion, or a country of peace..

jimahrens Loc: California

Nor were they meant to be.

rumitoid

What men did does not mean God's word was followed, no matter if they were pastors or how many verses used out of context from the Bible or what sacrifices they performed.
You mentioned the Jews in Egypt, what about those in Jerusalem at the time of Christ. They were literally being crushed out of existence by Rome's exorbitant taxes. Did Jesus say, "Give us liberty or give us death"? Did he organize any protests or help form a militia? Did he promote open rebellion? No. He said, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's..." If he said this in America back in 1776, he would have been treated as a traitor and possibly hung. No surprise the Jews felt the same way about his preaching: sedition.

Find in scripture where the followers of Christ have the rights described in the DOI, and I will make an amends.

Ve'hoe

Listen up,,,,, I told you where they were, in the constitution, based on Christian principles,,

What you are advocating is the rule of man, and the worship of yourself as a god,,, and you are not, you are the one without the right to delineate what anyone else would do..

That is what Jesus would say to you, live the way you are supposed to, before picking at the plank in anothers eye..

You are making Christianity into socialism, and it is not, I have watched you try that for over a year.

Nor did, jesus say for each according to his needs, which you have tried to infuse into scripture,,,

This country was founded based on correcting the flawed ideologies, both secular, and religious, and the governments that had failed in every civilization that preceeded us ,,jesus did NOT come to fight, but he came to fulfill the law, he did not come to enslave the people even in his religion,, it is completely voluntary.

The LAW is not socialism, the law, is not taking from others to give to whom you decide needs it, the law is not to tax he people and drive the society in the way you want it.

That is the way of every other failed civilization and failed govt, even my tribes. It is the methodology of man, and it is failed, and corrupt, and jesus tells you, that his kingdom is not of this world,,,, until Jesus actually sits on a throne here, no one is worthy to judge, or rule, others,

So instead we devised a set of rules based on the tenets of our religion,,, to do the best we can, keeping the ruling class from becoming tyrants, and the governments of men at bay, by directing the rules and regulations against them to control the government not the people..

YOU KNOW THAT TOO...

jimahrens Loc: California

I am really sick of hearing whatyou think about Christians. maybe you should think about perfection. talk is cheap

the waker Loc: 11th freest nation

Nice hog, the Bible teaches us to follow the laws of the land. Although when freeman took our land the from those wish to over tax us and demand they're religion upon us, it was the christian religion practiced by the majority of the people who confront this tyrant and create a new country made of laws, and to praise they're GOD as they please, but have checks and balance(which don't fool yourself, we DO NOT have that now) to ensure the bill of rights remain intact. There is a reason freedom of religion is in they're.
In addition it was a socialist that wrote "the pledge of alligence", if you noticed after going against the world power, even he believe in "one nation under GOD" at the time.
So no the bible does not insue that we have these rights,much as the jews were conquerd and enslaved several times,and had to learn from the errors of they're ways, as soon we will, aswell (debt slaves). No the rights you speak of were considered as a gift of GOD as England was the biggest power in the world and were defeated by meer peasants but are only kept through "ETERNAL VIGILANCE" from any country or world goverment that wishes to override the constitution.
Although I see your going after Christians, yet you seem to leave the Muslum religion alone. Do you find them more exepting of other peoples rights?

rumitoid

Sorry, no reference to scripture to refute.

rumitoid

"Unalienable rights" given by God is a gross distortion of both the OT and NT; it is an abomination. If you disagree, show me; I am living in Missouri now.

Ve'hoe

NOr is there in yours,,, except what you made up,,,,

rumitoid

Then please show me: chapter and verse.

Ve'hoe

Since you made the whole thing up,, you are the one who need to show it, because not a single one of us claimed it was in the OT/NT nor can you cite where it names rights of man as an abomination,,,

Quit making up your own scripture and asking us to disprove what doesn't exist,,, nor say what you claim it did...

Ve'hoe

There is no scriptural basis, for what you made up either,,,


if there is show me chapter and verse,,,whether you like the answer or not, you got the answer, it is irrelevant what you think about it,,,, and your version, is NOt THE TRUTH the bible doesn't say what you said... how can anyone show you chapter and verse that doesn't exist???

And what good would it do, when you don't believe, except what is twisted into your own version?

jimahrens Loc: California

Aint that the truth

rumitoid

I haven't mentioned any scripture, real or "made up." If you can refute my thesis, that Christians have no worldly rights, then do so...by scripture,