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Jan 4, 2020 10:40:08   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts....



From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia



Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than 500 million dollars.


The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!



In the state of Victoria.....alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not - and criminals still possess their guns!)



While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. (home invasions)

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns....'

You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.



Take note Americans, before it's too late ! !



DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.



BE ONE OF THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO WON'T STAND FOR NONSENSE !



AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN



Fight Organized Crime - Fire Congress



"Don't cling to a mistake just because you spent a long time making it.

"Ronald Reagan said: "BOTH POLITICIANS AND DIAPERS NEED TO BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON!"

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Jan 4, 2020 11:23:22   #
MR Mister Loc: Washington DC
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts....



From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia



Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than 500 million dollars.


The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!



In the state of Victoria.....alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not - and criminals still possess their guns!)



While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. (home invasions)

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns....'

You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.



Take note Americans, before it's too late ! !



DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.



BE ONE OF THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO WON'T STAND FOR NONSENSE !



AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN



Fight Organized Crime - Fire Congress



"Don't cling to a mistake just because you spent a long time making it.

"Ronald Reagan said: "BOTH POLITICIANS AND DIAPERS NEED TO BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON!"
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts.... b... (show quote)



The left have taken over our schools and for 3 decades have brainwashed our kids to hate Guns, America and God. So, it's just a matter of time and we will follow AUSTRALIA down the same road.



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Jan 4, 2020 11:30:54   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts....



From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia



Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than 500 million dollars.


The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!



In the state of Victoria.....alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not - and criminals still possess their guns!)



While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. (home invasions)

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns....'

You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.



Take note Americans, before it's too late ! !



DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.



BE ONE OF THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO WON'T STAND FOR NONSENSE !



AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN



Fight Organized Crime - Fire Congress



"Don't cling to a mistake just because you spent a long time making it.

"Ronald Reagan said: "BOTH POLITICIANS AND DIAPERS NEED TO BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON!"
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts.... b... (show quote)


Thank you for posting this, I have passed it on to a number of people.

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Jan 4, 2020 11:42:51   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
The only reason or effect in disarmament is for submission.

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Jan 4, 2020 11:56:01   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts....



From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia



Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than 500 million dollars.


The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!



In the state of Victoria.....alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not - and criminals still possess their guns!)



While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. (home invasions)

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns....'

You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.



Take note Americans, before it's too late ! !



DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.



BE ONE OF THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO WON'T STAND FOR NONSENSE !



AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN



Fight Organized Crime - Fire Congress



"Don't cling to a mistake just because you spent a long time making it.

"Ronald Reagan said: "BOTH POLITICIANS AND DIAPERS NEED TO BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON!"
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts.... b... (show quote)



This is a very old and very untrue item from the internet of 2005 or so..


https://www.truthorfiction.com/australias-gun-laws-have-led-to-higher-crime-rates/


Summary of eRumor:
Crime rates in Australia have shot up since a gun ban took effect there in the 1990s.
The Truth:
Claims that Australia’s gun ban caused crime rates to shoot up don’t check out.
Australia rolled out strict gun laws in 1996. Ever since, Australia’s crime rates have been used to argue points on both sides of the gun control debate. Some believe Australia’s crime rates have gone up, others believe they’ve gone down.
An email that was supposedly written by an Australian police officer named Ed Chenel cites crime statistics in Australia after stricter gun laws were approved there.
The email, which first went viral in 2011, still pops up in many inboxes. We took a look at a number of its specific claims about crime in Australia and found them to be mostly false.
First, let’s look at Australia’s gun laws.
Before 1996, the states and territories that make up Australia each set their own gun laws. After what became known as the “Port Arthur Massacre” in which a gunman killed 35 people and injured 18 others with a semi-automatic rifle, state and federal governments teamed up on gun reform, according to the Library of Congress:

In 1996, following the Port Arthur massacre, the federal government and the states and territories agreed to a uniform approach to firearms regulation, including a ban on certain semiautomatic and self-loading rifles and shotguns, standard licensing and permit criteria, storage requirements and inspections, and greater restrictions on the sale of firearms and ammunition. Firearms license applicants would be required to take a safety course and show a “genuine reason” for owning a firearm, which could not include self-defense. The reasons for refusing a license would include “reliable evidence of a mental or physical condition which would render the applicant unsuitable for owning, possessing or using a firearm.” A waiting period of twenty-eight days would apply to the issuing of both firearms licenses and permits to acquire each weapon.

The National Firearms Agreement also implemented a gun buyback program that led to 700,000 weapons being voluntarily surrendered. These stats can be difficult to fact check because they say specific crime rates are up by a certain percentage — but they don’t say over what period. We took a look at how the crime rates have changed since the gun laws took effect using the most recent data we could find.
Homicides Are Up 3.2%-Fiction!
The number of homicides in Australia has been trending downward since 2001. The Australian Institute of Criminology reports that the homicide rate decreased from 1.8 homicides per 100,000 people in 2002 to 1.1 homicides per 100,000 people in 2012 (the most recent year stats were available). One in 10 homicides in Australia during that time involved a gun.
Assaults Are Up 8.6%-Fiction! & Misleading!
The number of assaults in Australia has actually increased more than 8.6% since the 1990s. In 1996, there were 789 assaults, and by 2010 there were 972. Over that time, the number of assaults jumped about 19%, according to the Australian Institute of Criminology.
Armed Robberies Are Up 45%-Fiction!
The number of armed robberies in Australia began to increase in the 1990s and peaked in 2001. Forty armed robberies were recorded per 100,000 people that year. Since then, the number of armed robberies in the country has trended downward. There were 5,628 armed robberies in the country in 2013, a 9.6% decrease from the year before.
Gun Deaths have climbed 300% in Victoria-Unproven!
We weren’t able to find recent statistics on the number of gun deaths in Victoria.
However, we do know that the number of gun deaths decreased from 4.2 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 1979 to 1.5 per 100,000 people in 2000, the British Medical Journal reports.
The Victoria Police also reported that the number of overall homicides in the city decreased by 11.8% from 2013 to 2014.

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Jan 4, 2020 12:14:02   #
MR Mister Loc: Washington DC
 
permafrost wrote:
This is a very old and very untrue item from the internet of 2005 or so..


https://www.truthorfiction.com/australias-gun-laws-have-led-to-higher-crime-rates/


Summary of eRumor:
Crime rates in Australia have shot up since a gun ban took effect there in the 1990s.
The Truth:
Claims that Australia’s gun ban caused crime rates to shoot up don’t check out.
Australia rolled out strict gun laws in 1996. Ever since, Australia’s crime rates have been used to argue points on both sides of the gun control debate. Some believe Australia’s crime rates have gone up, others believe they’ve gone down.
An email that was supposedly written by an Australian police officer named Ed Chenel cites crime statistics in Australia after stricter gun laws were approved there.
The email, which first went viral in 2011, still pops up in many inboxes. We took a look at a number of its specific claims about crime in Australia and found them to be mostly false.
First, let’s look at Australia’s gun laws.
Before 1996, the states and territories that make up Australia each set their own gun laws. After what became known as the “Port Arthur Massacre” in which a gunman killed 35 people and injured 18 others with a semi-automatic rifle, state and federal governments teamed up on gun reform, according to the Library of Congress:

In 1996, following the Port Arthur massacre, the federal government and the states and territories agreed to a uniform approach to firearms regulation, including a ban on certain semiautomatic and self-loading rifles and shotguns, standard licensing and permit criteria, storage requirements and inspections, and greater restrictions on the sale of firearms and ammunition. Firearms license applicants would be required to take a safety course and show a “genuine reason” for owning a firearm, which could not include self-defense. The reasons for refusing a license would include “reliable evidence of a mental or physical condition which would render the applicant unsuitable for owning, possessing or using a firearm.” A waiting period of twenty-eight days would apply to the issuing of both firearms licenses and permits to acquire each weapon.

The National Firearms Agreement also implemented a gun buyback program that led to 700,000 weapons being voluntarily surrendered. These stats can be difficult to fact check because they say specific crime rates are up by a certain percentage — but they don’t say over what period. We took a look at how the crime rates have changed since the gun laws took effect using the most recent data we could find.
Homicides Are Up 3.2%-Fiction!
The number of homicides in Australia has been trending downward since 2001. The Australian Institute of Criminology reports that the homicide rate decreased from 1.8 homicides per 100,000 people in 2002 to 1.1 homicides per 100,000 people in 2012 (the most recent year stats were available). One in 10 homicides in Australia during that time involved a gun.
Assaults Are Up 8.6%-Fiction! & Misleading!
The number of assaults in Australia has actually increased more than 8.6% since the 1990s. In 1996, there were 789 assaults, and by 2010 there were 972. Over that time, the number of assaults jumped about 19%, according to the Australian Institute of Criminology.
Armed Robberies Are Up 45%-Fiction!
The number of armed robberies in Australia began to increase in the 1990s and peaked in 2001. Forty armed robberies were recorded per 100,000 people that year. Since then, the number of armed robberies in the country has trended downward. There were 5,628 armed robberies in the country in 2013, a 9.6% decrease from the year before.
Gun Deaths have climbed 300% in Victoria-Unproven!
We weren’t able to find recent statistics on the number of gun deaths in Victoria.
However, we do know that the number of gun deaths decreased from 4.2 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 1979 to 1.5 per 100,000 people in 2000, the British Medical Journal reports.
The Victoria Police also reported that the number of overall homicides in the city decreased by 11.8% from 2013 to 2014.
This is a very old and very untrue item from the i... (show quote)


Of all the countries that have ban guns, the crime rate has boom up 200 to 300%. Just pure facts.

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Jan 4, 2020 12:16:14   #
American Vet
 
MR Mister wrote:
Of all the countries that have ban guns, the crime rate has boom up 200 to 300%. Just pure facts.


And the UK is looking at banning knives with "sharp edges" or some such nonsense....

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Jan 4, 2020 12:28:48   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
permafrost wrote:
This is a very old and very untrue item from the internet of 2005 or so..


https://www.truthorfiction.com/australias-gun-laws-have-led-to-higher-crime-rates/


Summary of eRumor:
Crime rates in Australia have shot up since a gun ban took effect there in the 1990s.
The Truth:
Claims that Australia’s gun ban caused crime rates to shoot up don’t check out.
Australia rolled out strict gun laws in 1996. Ever since, Australia’s crime rates have been used to argue points on both sides of the gun control debate. Some believe Australia’s crime rates have gone up, others believe they’ve gone down.
An email that was supposedly written by an Australian police officer named Ed Chenel cites crime statistics in Australia after stricter gun laws were approved there.
The email, which first went viral in 2011, still pops up in many inboxes. We took a look at a number of its specific claims about crime in Australia and found them to be mostly false.
First, let’s look at Australia’s gun laws.
Before 1996, the states and territories that make up Australia each set their own gun laws. After what became known as the “Port Arthur Massacre” in which a gunman killed 35 people and injured 18 others with a semi-automatic rifle, state and federal governments teamed up on gun reform, according to the Library of Congress:

In 1996, following the Port Arthur massacre, the federal government and the states and territories agreed to a uniform approach to firearms regulation, including a ban on certain semiautomatic and self-loading rifles and shotguns, standard licensing and permit criteria, storage requirements and inspections, and greater restrictions on the sale of firearms and ammunition. Firearms license applicants would be required to take a safety course and show a “genuine reason” for owning a firearm, which could not include self-defense. The reasons for refusing a license would include “reliable evidence of a mental or physical condition which would render the applicant unsuitable for owning, possessing or using a firearm.” A waiting period of twenty-eight days would apply to the issuing of both firearms licenses and permits to acquire each weapon.

The National Firearms Agreement also implemented a gun buyback program that led to 700,000 weapons being voluntarily surrendered. These stats can be difficult to fact check because they say specific crime rates are up by a certain percentage — but they don’t say over what period. We took a look at how the crime rates have changed since the gun laws took effect using the most recent data we could find.
Homicides Are Up 3.2%-Fiction!
The number of homicides in Australia has been trending downward since 2001. The Australian Institute of Criminology reports that the homicide rate decreased from 1.8 homicides per 100,000 people in 2002 to 1.1 homicides per 100,000 people in 2012 (the most recent year stats were available). One in 10 homicides in Australia during that time involved a gun.
Assaults Are Up 8.6%-Fiction! & Misleading!
The number of assaults in Australia has actually increased more than 8.6% since the 1990s. In 1996, there were 789 assaults, and by 2010 there were 972. Over that time, the number of assaults jumped about 19%, according to the Australian Institute of Criminology.
Armed Robberies Are Up 45%-Fiction!
The number of armed robberies in Australia began to increase in the 1990s and peaked in 2001. Forty armed robberies were recorded per 100,000 people that year. Since then, the number of armed robberies in the country has trended downward. There were 5,628 armed robberies in the country in 2013, a 9.6% decrease from the year before.
Gun Deaths have climbed 300% in Victoria-Unproven!
We weren’t able to find recent statistics on the number of gun deaths in Victoria.
However, we do know that the number of gun deaths decreased from 4.2 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 1979 to 1.5 per 100,000 people in 2000, the British Medical Journal reports.
The Victoria Police also reported that the number of overall homicides in the city decreased by 11.8% from 2013 to 2014.
This is a very old and very untrue item from the i... (show quote)



Sorry Perm,
The left "Factcheck" would agree with you, but Australia Government facts aren't so.
GUN CRIMES HAVE INCREASED DRAMATICALLY

http://www.louderwithcrowder.com/obama-praises-australias-gun-ban-the-actual-results/

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Jan 4, 2020 12:31:13   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
One of Australia's top cops, just itemized the elevated crime rates since the 500 million dollar gun confiscation in the land down under.

I just read a report, but can't find it.

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Jan 4, 2020 12:33:36   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
MR Mister wrote:
Of all the countries that have ban guns, the crime rate has boom up 200 to 300%. Just pure facts.



Just more silly wishing by the right wingers.. but noone will be taking my guns and no one is proposing to do so..



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Jan 4, 2020 12:35:16   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Sorry Perm,
The left "Factcheck" would agree with you, but Australia Government facts aren't so.
GUN CRIMES HAVE INCREASED DRAMATICALLY

http://www.louderwithcrowder.com/obama-praises-australias-gun-ban-the-actual-results/



I just will follow the judgement of the majority on this.. "louder with crowder"????

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Jan 4, 2020 12:41:57   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Sorry Perm,
The left "Factcheck" would agree with you, but Australia Government facts aren't so.
GUN CRIMES HAVE INCREASED DRAMATICALLY

http://www.louderwithcrowder.com/obama-praises-australias-gun-ban-the-actual-results/


Thanks.

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Jan 4, 2020 12:45:03   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
permafrost wrote:
I just will follow the judgement of the majority on this.. "louder with crowder"????


The judgement of the majority is exactly the point.

Masses do not make right.

I'm a stubborn learner.....so bullschitt makes me dizzy.

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Jan 4, 2020 15:12:53   #
Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts....



From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia



Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than 500 million dollars.


The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!



In the state of Victoria.....alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not - and criminals still possess their guns!)



While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. (home invasions)

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns....'

You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.



Take note Americans, before it's too late ! !



DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.



BE ONE OF THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO WON'T STAND FOR NONSENSE !



AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN



Fight Organized Crime - Fire Congress



"Don't cling to a mistake just because you spent a long time making it.

"Ronald Reagan said: "BOTH POLITICIANS AND DIAPERS NEED TO BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON!"
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts.... b... (show quote)






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Jan 5, 2020 05:10:02   #
American Vet
 
permafrost wrote:
Just more silly wishing by the right wingers.. but no one will be taking my guns and no one is proposing to do so..


Diane Feinstein on CBS "60 Minutes": "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, ‘Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in,’ I would have done it," Feinstein told Stahl. "I could not do that. The votes weren’t here."

There are several states (Virginia, California most notably) who are/have banned so called "assault" weapons.

As a side note, liberals don't have to actually ban guns to accomplish their goal of an unarmed citizenry. They can simply make laws that make it close to impossible to have a gun. Storage laws is one place they would start.

"Sure, you can own a gun. But it has to be properly stored at the local National Guard armory and you have to give 48 hour notice if you want to take it out. And, you can only go from the armory to a federally approved gun range for 1 hour. Also, you can only have 10 rounds." See - we didn't ban your gun.

So, do you agree that this is not "banning" guns?

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