numenian

Absurd, but please post how you could possibly under heaven and in good conscience object that the 2nd Amendment means no "standards and regulations"? Every Right in the Bill of Rights has needed standards and regulations, not to restrict and infringe upon their expression but to protect from abuse: is the Second Amendment somehow exempt for being responsible to public safety and order, the common good, and a nation of laws?
Rights, all rights, have commiserate responsibility: many gun advocates want to ignore their patriotic duty or make their duty seem some onerous oppression by "socialists," childish to the nth degree. Grow up, please, thousands are dying by your silly obstinacy. Like Newtown and the rash of recent events. You are contributing to the violence, though blindly.

saveamerica Loc: Texas

No one is worried about all the Blacks killings in Chicago? There are more killings there than all mass murders. Democrats kill more people a year than any other group. So, if we need to do anything, it is to take the guns away from Democrats. The Democrat States have more Killings than all the other States. All your mass murders are done by Democrats.

America does not need any more gun controls. What we need is, more control over Democrats.

CDM Loc: Florida

Every amendment to the constitution, every article in the Bill of Rights was intended to be and is today the basis for our entire legal system comprised of tens of hundreds of thousands of laws. A nation of laws? How trite...

Do you have any idea how many gun laws exist today? How many have existed on the books for decades in the places where the violence has occurred? Do you know how many gun laws exist in Chicago or D.C.? Murder has been illegal forever. Has that law stopped any of the annual 17,000 homicides?

How would a ban on a weapon and magazine that are grandfathered for legal possession under current proposed Democrat legislation have prevented a very determined criminal lunatic at Newtown? How exactly would you frame that law? Please elucidate. Tell us how you would keep the guns out of the hands of the killers...

I don't care one way or the other about guns. I am fed up though with people, mostly leftists, who pretend to want to fix a problem and than attack a secondary symptom leaving the problem to fester and grow; because it's the party line.

If you, like most uninformed reactionaries understood this is not a weapon issue, it is not a law issue, it is a criminals and lunatics issue you could not write this tripe you do with any clearer conscience than you accuse others of 'possibly' not having.

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

They won't read this because it makes sense.

Patty

the worst mass murderers in the United States, there are several very inconvenient truths for those of the liberal persuasion, and none of them involves guns. First of all, of the ten worst mass murderers in American history, only 3 of them -- Seung-Hui Cho, Adam Lanza, and George Hennard -- used guns as their primary means of killing.

Of the four worst American murderers, Gary Ridgway (71+ victims), Andrew Philip Kehoe (44 victims), Ted Bundy (36+ victims), and John Wayne Gacy (34+ victims), none of them used guns to kill. Ridgway and Gacy strangled their victims. Bundy strangled, bludgeoned, and drowned his victims. Kehoe used bombs to kill his victims -- mostly school children ages 7-12.

As one looks beyond the means of killing and examines the lives of these men, other troubling patterns emerge. Virtually all were from broken, or at least troubled, homes.

Snoopy

Numerian

Please check the post on "Obumma and gun control" on this site. His statements are TOTALLY wrong. Read the entire article and become aware of the facts - NOT Obumma bullshit.

Snoopy

Patty

ajj100 Loc: Earth

All gun laws do is affect honest law biding people. All this gun control is about is controlling the people. Gun control laws will not save lives. If someone wants to kill they will find a way. It is just that simple. People have been killing each other for billions of years even before the gun was invented and there is only one way to stop it and that is get God in peoples hearts. Teach Gods ways in schools and you will see a great change. Don't be fooled by lying politicians! All they want total control. Give up your guns and your not free anymore.

Olden McGroen Loc: Texas

Thank you, I have nothing to add.

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Loki Loc: Georgia

Less Democrats would also be an option. If they keep shooting each other, we may see a solution.

Loki Loc: Georgia

While the number of homicides you quoted is about right, about half of these are due to firearms. The number of firearms deaths has declined snce 1994 by about 50%, in spite of a large increase in population, and a huge increase in the number of people carrying firearms. The per capita rate has declined even more. The US murder rate from all causes in 4.1 per 100,000. Contrast this with Jamaica, where the mere possession of a single cartridge, much less a firearm, is an automatic prison sentence; their homocide rate is 40.9 per 100,000. So a country where no one owns guns has a murder rate more than 10 times that of the US.

Ve'hoe

If we allowed them to call it "abortion" it would be ok, accodring to Bill Maher,, they are "goo" and then the numbers would increase to a million a year, and that would be progress

CDM Loc: Florida

I am glad you expanded on that point. Social/communist Democrats and wing nuts in general argue that we are the most violent, uncivilized country in the world; mostly due to guns.

Putting aside the method employed to kill for a moment, fewer than 20,000 homicides in a population of 300+ million very complicated human beings is an incredibly low number proportionally and speaks to our tremendous civility and control within the best legal system on earth.

Addressing specifically the gun question; if we take the statistical evidence from the FBI, ATF, World Health Organization and the CDC and average them we find about 11,000 homicides attributable to fire arms. According to these same organizations there are about 325 million guns and billions of rounds of ammunition in the U.S. owned by about 150 million people.

None of the foregoing, in any interpretation makes an argument for a) rampant, violent and homicidal incivility or b) unfettered gun violence.
(If we want to argue violent incivility lets talk about the 100,000+ reported (how many are not reported?) rapes including children, annually - but there's no political collateral in that for the left).

Mass murder has occurred in the U.S. over the past 200 years with the worst incidents historically in the early and mid 20th century. It has been steadily declining. World wide, mass murder has been committed at extremes we cannot imagine, with weapons other than guns because guns were too quick and took all the fun out of it. But I don't expect a bleeding heart sheep to have looked into it. They are busy with the hive objective.

I asked this person earlier in the thread to frame the law that would keep the guns out of the hands of the criminals...notice; no response. Because the response they want to make, they can't make; take away all guns. That is their true objective.

And, it very obviously has nothing to do with gun violence. It has to do with them being the only ones with guns; pointed squarely at our heads. I don't subscribe to conspiracy theory; I trust history. I believe Ayn Rand was wise in this observation. After all she lived it. And so might we...

Ve'hoe

Because the NUMBER ONE thing a Liberal means when he demands "SENSIBLE GUN CONTROL" is "HOW DO I GET PROTECTION FOR ME?"

It hasnt anything to do with society, with wanting to preserve life, or with their "Love of all Mankind" and peaceful totally creamy liberalism...

It is merely and specifically a desire for nothing bad to happen to themselves,,, and for that "feeling" of security, they would lie, cheat, infringe on the rights of others, escape into drug and alcohol use, legistlate immorality, legislate tyranny, and even kill (cause their politicians do kill and war) just so they are safe, and dont have responsibility for the dirty work of keeping themselves safe,,,,

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

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