Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

I see the flow of information having a better balance on this site.
The day may come when we see a good balance or information from all sides of an issue.
Truth should prevail in the end.

We still need to look at what we read as just opinions.
We are getting more thought out opinions.

All in all a good sign.

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

Concerning the irradiation of solar intensity causing weather, particularly cloud seeding and precipitation, due to the inversion of strong solar activity causing cooling and weak solar activity causing warming -, quote ; When the sun's activity is weak and the solar wind blows less forcefully, more cosmic rays streak through our atmosphere, creating more low clouds, in turn, increas the Earth's ability to reflect more of the sun's visible-range heat away from the planet.That has a cooling effect -. end quote..

If anyone has information on this subject, I wish they would share it, especially the part where weak solar activity causes cloud seeding there by cooling the troposphere, and theoretically you'd think warming the upper atmosphere, the videos I've watched https://skepticalscience.com indicate there is no atmospheric inner cooling outer warming.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Warming & cooling of the planet for the most part is not under control of man-kind.
But we are doing things that contribute to influencing our atmosphere.
To the extent that we can do to lesson the impact man-kind has on the weather we should do.

Now the warming in our artic regions is releasing methane as the permafrost melts.
Melting ice is causing the tides & storms to cause much greater damage in costal areas.

We cannot control it but we can do things to lessen the damage.

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

Maybe not now warming & cooling of the planet is not under the control of man but it was 10 or 20 years ago, I agree the tipping point has been reached and irreversible warming will take place, mainly on this thread I'm offerring a rebuttal to the theory that Climate Change is being caused by solar activity or Galactic Cosmic Rays affecting our Climate.

I'm hoping warming due to, as you mentioned, methane and other carbonic atmospheric particles that create warming don't combine with the many aspects of environmental degradation to cause a warning cycle that feeds on itself and the Earth becomes another planet without an atmosphere like Venus.

I hope in 5,000 years time the Earth will recover and the gases in the atmosphere will return to pre - industrialisation compositions.

It's not just climate it's also population ceiling and the fact that the age of invention has ended, that is, inventions that can save our species from privations caused by nature which is always fighting back, global warming is just one way nature is fighting against humans they call this phenomenon where nature turns the tide against us "The End Of The Techno Industrial Age".

This Techno Industrial Age has been developing to its now present apex since agriculture began 12,000 years ago or even before that when humans began the process of sedimentation creating social cultures by learning to co-operate by making individual sacrifices for collective benefits as hunter gatherers, climate allowed that development before that there were many upright walking peoples similar to man but not directly genetically connected but surely with a common ancestor.

These additional scientific factors combined with Climate Change can also be summed up as Malthusian Theory passed down from the late 18th. Century by T R Malthus who gave economic perspective a Theological dimension.

Theological connection to the causes of Climate Change and its mitigating circumstances is not really possible since Theology is an abstract cause and effect and Climate is a tangible cause and effect, maybe that is true but there again the only philosophy that seperates Theological and environmental questions is agnosticism, so the vast majority atheists' included agree that environmental science and Theology is the same subject because Theology to an atheist is science and science will one day answer the Fundamental Questions, that day has come.

But first we should drop Cosmic Rays as a cause of Climate Change.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

That more people are aware that man-kind is contributing to globule warming is a good sign.
The bad part is so much damage has been done that we nay not be able to reverse things from happening & it is getting worse.

We are learning how to capture more of the energy from the sun.
Man-kind is very inventive & is doing many things to adapt.
Getting the changes needed run in to the old ways of doing things.
Many activities of leisure involve using more energy than a walk in nature. (Or a park)

Many things are being produced that we could do with out as much.
We need not travel as much to have the feeling of being a part of being there.
With computers & T.V.s we can enjoy the sites & sounds of far away place's in our homes.
Much of the world is as near as pushing a key or turning a knob.

Much of the pleasure of going some where is in telling others of what you did on your trip.

There is the wish to do once what some are able to do at will with ease.
Travel & consume the pleasers in real time & space. At an over all a cost to your self & the envirment.

Do you ever look at the contrails planes crisscrossing the sky leave?
That is costly & polluting big time.

Spending a few extra minutes conversing with people you meet day to day is less costly & a bond is made. A bound that will surpass any contacts you have on a costly trip. All with less wear & tear on our environment.

For most it is to stop & think about the effort you go through to earn the cost of that trip.
Time spent in the old rat race that you need to take the trip to help you cope with the rat race.

As always to each their own.

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

Life style is not much different from self-gratification, suburbanization is similar to acquiring a taste that at first is unpleasant an affront to our senses but over time the image that pops up in our mind is the one we sought for someone else to be, convincing ourselves the one who takes over will still be me, subliminally coaxing ourselves to believe we are the architect of ourselves by building others as a likeness of me.

Everyone would agree it's not me that should be discontinued.

I think that is the starting point, all people can assemble at that point, its the one thing about which we can all agree, but that still doesn't solve the problum of divergence from environmental protection probably because we aren't in agreement with what keeps us in place, so the next generation will get all sorts of misleading advice coming from acquired tastes.

Like travelling abroad so as to say is a big waste at the end of the day, same with many other alluring things like really fast fancy bikes and cars, ornate buildings to live in filled with consumer items that are not necessary.

Well I have always said as much, and made a distinction between motivations which others said were inclusive, the reason people don't push others to take up weaving is because a machine does it better and what's left when the machinery breaks down is a semblance of the reality that brought it about and a huge awakening is then prepared to cover the hole suffered there.

Over the years, many of them, what has become shouldn't have been, but first there has to be an explanation, this is the reason for everything..

There are two of everything one for and one against so in the end if that's what it is, the one that is for can be a friend and the one that's against an enemy bonding is weaving a social fabric but identity is sociopathic.

To overcome this the fundamental problum of alienation the internet was made available just when we needed it most, now I'm going to do something startling with a simple phrase, end is not inevitable if you believe what you perceive, that's not it, creation is perception creating perception in others, wrong again, last try, pollution is not endemic of philosophy but it is of self-justifications.