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Benghazi vrs. Iraq, Oldroy against Jack2014
Jun 2, 2014 18:59:03   #
Jack2014
 
Benghazi vrs. Iraq

Oldroy, comment!
If there was an earthquake in Washington DC and President Obama was taking a dump you would blame him for the earthquake. If 'W' invaded Sweden in response to an EQ attack, you would make every attempt to prove that Sweden was run by EQ sympathizers and Muslims or somehow blame President Obama when he became President. Just saying!

The purpose of this topic is to compare the investigative response to events leading up to the Iraq war including 9/11 where ~ 3000 lives were lost and Iraq where ~ 4000 American soldiers died with the investigations currently underway for Benghazi and the deaths of four Americans including the Ambassador. Oldroy has accepted the challenge to prove that republican response to all these items was responsible attempts to get to the cause of these difficulties. I intend to prove that the republican response to Benghazi is totally irresponsible and politically motivated and disrespectful to the US diplomatic service.
IRAQ
It's necessary to remind Rs constantly that chemical weapons or their precursors were supplied to Hussein and he was shown how to use them by the administration of Reagan/Rumppsfeld/Cheney. He used them all up against Iranians and Kurds. This is known because Hussein did not use CW against the Israelis in his Scud missile attacks and against NATO in the Kuwait War.
The problem is that the current situation in Iraq may actually be worse than Hussein's operation. And it was basically set up by Bushies. Even Maliki was hand selected by Bushies and he turned around and bit it. Maliki is now establishing himself as a dictator being semi-controlled by Iran.
Then you need to keep in mind that Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Parts of Lebanon, Yemen, Iran?, were Russian ally's if not satellites. Saudi Arabia, Bahrain,Jordan, Kuwait, and the Emirates were our reluctant allies.
Bush1 reclaimed Kuwait by a brilliant NATO attack conducted by Schwarzkopf/Powell. But they left Hussein in partitioned control probably insisted on by Saudi's Because of Religious reasons.
Clinton didn't do much to alleviate any situation complaining about black market oil sales to supposedly provide medications but actually not so. He even attacked a warehouse that was empty w missiles that probably cost more than the sheds they hit.
Then came 9/11 and the intelligence deficient Bush2. We now know that he and Cheney were planning to attack Iraq as soon as a potential reason could be found and accepted by Americans and congress.
All for Iraq's oil. Cheneys secret meetings w Oil Company's must have outlined several items including mega mergers and Iraq Oil because bush declared the meetings secret under Executive Privilege. Americans deserve to see what was discussed.
Their first opportunity to strut our military prowess ,however, was to invade Afghanistan. This after the Northern Alliance had been successful in driving out the Taliban w our B-52 bomber support and spotters on the ground. 35000 of our best soldiers were deployed rapidly to Afghanistan.
No mission for them was reported.
Cheney now says it was to get B.Laden. What? He didn't even know if he was on the continent, pure and simple. It was a military and administration EGO trip. You know, 'W' the warrior president like his dad.This because the Russians had left with their tail between their legs and our people wanted to show how much superior we were to them, militarily. And they screwed the pooch here too. Karzai? Another Bushie selection that just happens to be Schitzo as well.
Comment, the only reason to legitimately stay in Afghanistan. now is to protect the modernized women from Religious fanatics, attacks, and political reversion, if possible. Afghanistan played a large role in causing the demise of the Russian Empire contrary to reaganites beliefs. It hasn't done us a bit of good either. In fact, all bush/Cheney did was protect the poppy trade.
Then Bushies invaded Iraq supposedly to keep Hussein from using WMD he didn't have. He also was electricity poor due to the Israelis bombing Iraq's nuclear power plant decades before. Ask any nuclear scientist how important it is to have sufficient and constant electrical sources. Ask the Japanese about their Fukushima fiasco. The same goes for bio. News sources, in their 'rush to war', totally ignored this fact. They didn't ask anyone and neither did the Bushies. Yellowcake is a long long way to a bomb w/o centrifuges anywhere and certainly not on truck trailers. And to my knowledge, yellowcake doesn't explode.
The Bushies 935 lies as documented in the book, Hubris by Corn and Isikoff, led to congress approving the use of force especially the claim that Hussein had Nucs. In my opinion ,this led to panic among the conservative press. C. Rice even referred to mushroom clouds over NYC.
These two Bushie/Cheney wars have dragged on and on and on while the Bushies and the military imposed their government style on both people's. Does anybody think that the Russians and Chinese weren't watching us clown around throwing money around everywhere. It's rumored even that Condy Rice was flying plane loads of cash and handing it out in both country's airports. Of course, the Hugely expensive Embassies in both country's were built at this time. That, plus all the money going in to buy favors from government officials, everywhere.
What have we gained in both war efforts-nothing. At great cost both in human life and treasure. In Iraq, several comments have come up relative to civilian lives lost. US lives lost to seriously injured was ~ 1/7. So, Iraqis reported losses were 150,000 dead. Seriously Injured was probably greater than 1,050,000. Iraq had seriously depleted medical supplies and facilities. So, how many survived injuries, if any, or died later. Unknown or unasked. Iraq has only a 23 million population,so, virtually every family was impacted. Great new freedom,George and Dicky. Does anybody still wonder why Bushie had shoes thrown at him.
Of course, no oil for us.
Russia and China are watching. And they got the oil. Wonder why!
Questions
1. Why was bush in Fla. when intel reported the possibility of imminent air attack by terrorists during 9/11.
2. Where was Cheney and the homeland security secretary?Where was Rice and Rumppsfeld?
3. What was the exact warning in the intel report.
4. What was the exact mission for the 35000 troops sent to Afghanistan?
5. The Northern a alliance won and kicked out the Taliban. Why did we interfere with their assuming leadership and bring in Karzai, a relative of the Taliban??
6. Why was it allowed that the republican congress and committees could whitewash the bush administration's incompetences and downright ineptness. Very little reported on how everything really occurred.
7. Do you support the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate the lack of government oversight and ineptness by the bush administration and republican congress?
It was reported recently that the cost of the Bushies Iraq War will be $ 6 Trillion by 2020 and keep rising until 2050. Just think,how many American cities could have been totally rebuilt by now if Dubya Bush would have left things alone or the real President sworn in.
Include building dozens of new VA hospitals, repairing or rebuilding roads and bridges, increasing military benefits, raising government salaries, rebuilding our ports and in so doing, getting almost full employment. Thank you W and the great liar Cheney. Nuclear bomb anyone? Oh forgot, 6000 American Soldiers died to take out Hussein when one sniper's bullet would have done it. Or one bomb,whatever! Cheney did save all that oil for Russia and China though.
Richard Clarke, security advisor for Clinton and Bush has declared repeatedly that Buh/Cheney are guilty of war crimes. We need to put them on trial, agreed?

BENGHAZI

Benghazi,Benghazi,Benghazi

Howdy Doofus Gowdy now has the Repuglican responsibility to carry the upside down elephant flag in a House Menagerie of committee investigations into the 2 years ago Benghazi, Libya attack which took the lives of Ambassador Stevens and three others. Gowdy has indicated he intends to stretch this investigation out for at least 2 more years to assure voters that he is committed to nailing responsibility for Ambassador Stevens death on Hillary Clinton and of course President Obama. He so much as said so, just like ASSA, maintaining TP interest through the 2014 election and finishing with very pertinent conclusions blaming Hillary by September 2016, just prior, so to impact the 2016 Presidential Election. Of course, an intermediate conclusion could be available to use in the impeachment trial of Temporary President Barack Hussein Obama. Did I say he was black? Well, he is! Some of Gowdy's supporters in South Carolina even think he paid for the attack on the consulate as well as believing he still was born in Kenya. " We, on the committee, will spare no effort to prove him guilty at our trial, he said". He did say, TRIAL! He meant KANGAROO COURT.
Of course, one key question not on Gowdy's list is why did the R TPers cut Embassey security to the tune of $500 million over the past 4 years. An Idaho Repuglican said he thought the State Department would shift manpower into Libya from that quite place,Iraq? What?
Where do repuglicans get them?

Howdy Gowdy has also said there should be no political fund raising based on his investigation, while winking with his fingers crossed behind his back and his other hand dipping into David Koch's change purse. Boehner, of course, had already issued a request for funds through the RNC. We all do this, Boehner said,at a press conference while slurping his words. Four whiskey Sours tend to do that to you. After all, Boehner said, the democrats and the Red Cross went fund raising for the victims of Katrina and Sandy! They had to because relief funds were held up for so long that people were dying in Sandy and horrendously in Katrina. Our FEMA Director Brown did an outstanding job with Katrina according to President Bush? Remember the Bush dome and all those people w/o food and water and sanitary facilities? Remember those great trailers he had built that smelled of good clean Urethane Insulation ? Only a few people got sick. WTH
Howdy Gowdy has even come up with a list of ten questions which he says he will get answered. Perhaps Gowdy should read the Senate and State Department Reports and find the answers there! These ,of course, after he spent 18 months on ASSA's jury-rigged and evidence modified committee. What was he doing?
SLEEPING?
One big question is " Where Was Pres. Obama the night of the attack? My answer-in the WH stupid!
The other thing that is now going on is that ASSA's committee is still at it trying to get Secretary Kerry to testify. He has even stated that his committee investigation can wrap it up if President Obama just comes clean and admits to all his wrongdoing like a good o' black man. Unfortunately, ASSA has been trumped by Boehner and has had to acquiesce.
The other thing is that Camp and Rogers want Ambassador Kerry to testify at their committee too. Let's call it the;
"DUAL OF THE HOUSE COMMITTEES"
Of course this is the only planned activities for the House of Representatives the rest of the year. After all they are dropping for now the IRS conspiracies of contemplating disallowing tax free status for Rove's Crossroads and AFP and other Koch funded tax evading organizations. Perhaps someone should tell Rove that it's not wise to go everywhere telling people and the press that he's given crossroads money $$$ to all those R candidates. Hundreds of millions, no less!
All of the following have been put on the back burner so that R TPers can go out and collect bribes and pay for votes in their gerrymandered districts.

# Immigration Reform
# Jobs jobs,jobs,jobs,jobs,jobs and jobs
# Military spending and closing un-needed bases.
# USEFUL discussions on tax reform
# TVA required to charge sufficiently to maintain its own equipment like the rest of utilities.
# De-Privatize NSA for greater protection and Homeland Security.
# ACA modifications for improvements only. No more votes.
# Election finance reform-Citizens SC United!
# Afghanistan withdrawal and Iran!
# Russia and Crimea!
# Election voter restrictions
# Trade miserable deals!
# Last but not least, CLIMATE CHANGE.
## ETC.,ETC.,ETC.,ETC.,ETC.,
Of course, the house repuglicans won't put this on their agenda until they control congress and the Presidency, but their goal is to:
Declare by Acclamation that The Koch's are King and Queen.
My questions:
1. Why no follow up to determining if there was an impact of the video as the Senate reported! Who paid and developed the video? Where were Libyans? How were reporters allowed to violate the crime scene?
2. What role did Romney's Foot in Mouth speeches on Cairo and Libya on 9/11&12 have as a distraction?
3. Should Assa's committee be disbanded for lack of credability?
4. Where are house reports? Camp,Rogers, and Assa's? Other reports completed >6 months ago?
5. What is status of FBI report? Is Interim report possible?
6. Will Rs return campaign funds collected at expense of dead Americans?
7. THE IRAQ INVESTIGATIONS BY REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES TOTALLY DEFICIENT AND WHITEWASH ATTEMPTS, THE BENGHAZI REPUBLICAN HOUSE COMMITTEE INVESTIGATIONS TOTALLY POLITICAL AND WITCH HUNTS. WHY? Coverup for inability to govern? ACA failure by Rs?
8. Should special prosecutors be appointed to investigate 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, or just the Bush/Cheney administration? Or just Cheney?t


REFERENCES

You may also be interested in...

Darrell Issa Declares War on John Boehner as Benghazi… The big House Benghazi investigation has turned into a full blown circus, as John Boehner has lost control over Darrell Issa, who has gone rogue, and is trashing Boehner's big plans.

Darrell Issa’s Benghazi Stunt Blows Up In His Face as… Darrell Issa's subpoena of Sec. of State John Kerry has completely backfired, as the State Department announced that Kerry would not be testifying at next week's Benghazi hearing, and Issa put the subpoena on hold.

House Democrat Slams Darrell Issa For His Latest Benghazi… Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) shredded Darrell Issa's Benghazi subpoena of Sec. of State John Kerry by calling it a publicity stunt.

With Unemployment Shrinking and Obamacare Working, GOP… On a day where the unemployment rate fell to pre-financial crisis levels, and a month after private insurance enrollments through the ACA exceeded all expectations, Republicans decided to focus on the only thing they now think they can hammer President Obama on -- Benghazi.

Issa Accuses Obama of a Watergate Style Cover-Up While… While he was fundraising off of four dead Americans, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) accused President Obama of a Watergate style coverup.r-up.
http://t.mediaite.com/mediaite/#!/entry/bill-maher-dares-gop-to-impeach-obama-over-benghazi,53751e75e56d0bb8535e75bb/1
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-clinton-gets-the-gop-treatment/2014/05/15/6e3eaf4a-dc60-11e3-8009-71de85b9c527_story.html?wpisrc=nl_opinions
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-the-gops-benghazi-hangup-is-baffling/2014/05/12/d2eaeac8-d9f7-11e3-b745-87d39690c5c0_story.html
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/05/17/bill-maher-calls-republican-impeachment-cowards-promises-obama-kick-gop.html
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/05/17/issa-accuses-obama-watergate-style-cover-up-exploiting-benghazi-dead.html
Keep PA Blue (@UniteBluePA)
5/17/14, 15:24
Representative Alan Grayson: "Fox Is Calling The Shots" On Benghazi Witch Hunt mm4a.org/1j7C8VF #UniteBlue #PA
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/05/22/the-big-benghazi-dance/?wpisrc=nl%5Fpopns
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/benghazi-beirut-bombing_b_5353757.
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/05/30/hillary-clinton-delivers-withering-attack-republicans-exploiting-benghazi.html
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BENGHAZI_INVESTIGATORS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-06-02-03-38-57
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/29/richard-clarke-george-bush-war-crimes_n_5410619.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/07/richard-a-clarke-what-we-ve-learned-from-9-11.html
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/05/30/darrell-issa-throws-temper-tantrum-outsmarted-obamas-white-house.html
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2OiRTi-vqHA&autoplay=1
'HUBRIS BY DAVID CORN AND STEVEN ISIKOFF'i
Your turn,Oldroy!
.

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Jun 2, 2014 19:14:44   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Jack2014 wrote:
Benghazi vrs. Iraq

Oldroy, comment!
If there was an earthquake in Washington DC and President Obama was taking a dump you would blame him for the earthquake. If 'W' invaded Sweden in response to an EQ attack, you would make every attempt to prove that Sweden was run by EQ sympathizers and Muslims or somehow blame President Obama when he became President. Just saying!

The purpose of this topic is to compare the investigative response to events leading up to the Iraq war including 9/11 where ~ 3000 lives were lost and Iraq where ~ 4000 American soldiers died with the investigations currently underway for Benghazi and the deaths of four Americans including the Ambassador. Oldroy has accepted the challenge to prove that republican response to all these items was responsible attempts to get to the cause of these difficulties. I intend to prove that the republican response to Benghazi is totally irresponsible and politically motivated and disrespectful to the US diplomatic service.
IRAQ
It's necessary to remind Rs constantly that chemical weapons or their precursors were supplied to Hussein and he was shown how to use them by the administration of Reagan/Rumppsfeld/Cheney. He used them all up against Iranians and Kurds. This is known because Hussein did not use CW against the Israelis in his Scud missile attacks and against NATO in the Kuwait War.
The problem is that the current situation in Iraq may actually be worse than Hussein's operation. And it was basically set up by Bushies. Even Maliki was hand selected by Bushies and he turned around and bit it. Maliki is now establishing himself as a dictator being semi-controlled by Iran.
Then you need to keep in mind that Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Parts of Lebanon, Yemen, Iran?, were Russian ally's if not satellites. Saudi Arabia, Bahrain,Jordan, Kuwait, and the Emirates were our reluctant allies.
Bush1 reclaimed Kuwait by a brilliant NATO attack conducted by Schwarzkopf/Powell. But they left Hussein in partitioned control probably insisted on by Saudi's Because of Religious reasons.
Clinton didn't do much to alleviate any situation complaining about black market oil sales to supposedly provide medications but actually not so. He even attacked a warehouse that was empty w missiles that probably cost more than the sheds they hit.
Then came 9/11 and the intelligence deficient Bush2. We now know that he and Cheney were planning to attack Iraq as soon as a potential reason could be found and accepted by Americans and congress.
All for Iraq's oil. Cheneys secret meetings w Oil Company's must have outlined several items including mega mergers and Iraq Oil because bush declared the meetings secret under Executive Privilege. Americans deserve to see what was discussed.
Their first opportunity to strut our military prowess ,however, was to invade Afghanistan. This after the Northern Alliance had been successful in driving out the Taliban w our B-52 bomber support and spotters on the ground. 35000 of our best soldiers were deployed rapidly to Afghanistan.
No mission for them was reported.
Cheney now says it was to get B.Laden. What? He didn't even know if he was on the continent, pure and simple. It was a military and administration EGO trip. You know, 'W' the warrior president like his dad.This because the Russians had left with their tail between their legs and our people wanted to show how much superior we were to them, militarily. And they screwed the pooch here too. Karzai? Another Bushie selection that just happens to be Schitzo as well.
Comment, the only reason to legitimately stay in Afghanistan. now is to protect the modernized women from Religious fanatics, attacks, and political reversion, if possible. Afghanistan played a large role in causing the demise of the Russian Empire contrary to reaganites beliefs. It hasn't done us a bit of good either. In fact, all bush/Cheney did was protect the poppy trade.
Then Bushies invaded Iraq supposedly to keep Hussein from using WMD he didn't have. He also was electricity poor due to the Israelis bombing Iraq's nuclear power plant decades before. Ask any nuclear scientist how important it is to have sufficient and constant electrical sources. Ask the Japanese about their Fukushima fiasco. The same goes for bio. News sources, in their 'rush to war', totally ignored this fact. They didn't ask anyone and neither did the Bushies. Yellowcake is a long long way to a bomb w/o centrifuges anywhere and certainly not on truck trailers. And to my knowledge, yellowcake doesn't explode.
The Bushies 935 lies as documented in the book, Hubris by Corn and Isikoff, led to congress approving the use of force especially the claim that Hussein had Nucs. In my opinion ,this led to panic among the conservative press. C. Rice even referred to mushroom clouds over NYC.
These two Bushie/Cheney wars have dragged on and on and on while the Bushies and the military imposed their government style on both people's. Does anybody think that the Russians and Chinese weren't watching us clown around throwing money around everywhere. It's rumored even that Condy Rice was flying plane loads of cash and handing it out in both country's airports. Of course, the Hugely expensive Embassies in both country's were built at this time. That, plus all the money going in to buy favors from government officials, everywhere.
What have we gained in both war efforts-nothing. At great cost both in human life and treasure. In Iraq, several comments have come up relative to civilian lives lost. US lives lost to seriously injured was ~ 1/7. So, Iraqis reported losses were 150,000 dead. Seriously Injured was probably greater than 1,050,000. Iraq had seriously depleted medical supplies and facilities. So, how many survived injuries, if any, or died later. Unknown or unasked. Iraq has only a 23 million population,so, virtually every family was impacted. Great new freedom,George and Dicky. Does anybody still wonder why Bushie had shoes thrown at him.
Of course, no oil for us.
Russia and China are watching. And they got the oil. Wonder why!
Questions
1. Why was bush in Fla. when intel reported the possibility of imminent air attack by terrorists during 9/11.
2. Where was Cheney and the homeland security secretary?Where was Rice and Rumppsfeld?
3. What was the exact warning in the intel report.
4. What was the exact mission for the 35000 troops sent to Afghanistan?
5. The Northern a alliance won and kicked out the Taliban. Why did we interfere with their assuming leadership and bring in Karzai, a relative of the Taliban??
6. Why was it allowed that the republican congress and committees could whitewash the bush administration's incompetences and downright ineptness. Very little reported on how everything really occurred.
7. Do you support the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate the lack of government oversight and ineptness by the bush administration and republican congress?
It was reported recently that the cost of the Bushies Iraq War will be $ 6 Trillion by 2020 and keep rising until 2050. Just think,how many American cities could have been totally rebuilt by now if Dubya Bush would have left things alone or the real President sworn in.
Include building dozens of new VA hospitals, repairing or rebuilding roads and bridges, increasing military benefits, raising government salaries, rebuilding our ports and in so doing, getting almost full employment. Thank you W and the great liar Cheney. Nuclear bomb anyone? Oh forgot, 6000 American Soldiers died to take out Hussein when one sniper's bullet would have done it. Or one bomb,whatever! Cheney did save all that oil for Russia and China though.
Richard Clarke, security advisor for Clinton and Bush has declared repeatedly that Buh/Cheney are guilty of war crimes. We need to put them on trial, agreed?

BENGHAZI

Benghazi,Benghazi,Benghazi

Howdy Doofus Gowdy now has the Repuglican responsibility to carry the upside down elephant flag in a House Menagerie of committee investigations into the 2 years ago Benghazi, Libya attack which took the lives of Ambassador Stevens and three others. Gowdy has indicated he intends to stretch this investigation out for at least 2 more years to assure voters that he is committed to nailing responsibility for Ambassador Stevens death on Hillary Clinton and of course President Obama. He so much as said so, just like ASSA, maintaining TP interest through the 2014 election and finishing with very pertinent conclusions blaming Hillary by September 2016, just prior, so to impact the 2016 Presidential Election. Of course, an intermediate conclusion could be available to use in the impeachment trial of Temporary President Barack Hussein Obama. Did I say he was black? Well, he is! Some of Gowdy's supporters in South Carolina even think he paid for the attack on the consulate as well as believing he still was born in Kenya. " We, on the committee, will spare no effort to prove him guilty at our trial, he said". He did say, TRIAL! He meant KANGAROO COURT.
Of course, one key question not on Gowdy's list is why did the R TPers cut Embassey security to the tune of $500 million over the past 4 years. An Idaho Repuglican said he thought the State Department would shift manpower into Libya from that quite place,Iraq? What?
Where do repuglicans get them?

Howdy Gowdy has also said there should be no political fund raising based on his investigation, while winking with his fingers crossed behind his back and his other hand dipping into David Koch's change purse. Boehner, of course, had already issued a request for funds through the RNC. We all do this, Boehner said,at a press conference while slurping his words. Four whiskey Sours tend to do that to you. After all, Boehner said, the democrats and the Red Cross went fund raising for the victims of Katrina and Sandy! They had to because relief funds were held up for so long that people were dying in Sandy and horrendously in Katrina. Our FEMA Director Brown did an outstanding job with Katrina according to President Bush? Remember the Bush dome and all those people w/o food and water and sanitary facilities? Remember those great trailers he had built that smelled of good clean Urethane Insulation ? Only a few people got sick. WTH
Howdy Gowdy has even come up with a list of ten questions which he says he will get answered. Perhaps Gowdy should read the Senate and State Department Reports and find the answers there! These ,of course, after he spent 18 months on ASSA's jury-rigged and evidence modified committee. What was he doing?
SLEEPING?
One big question is " Where Was Pres. Obama the night of the attack? My answer-in the WH stupid!
The other thing that is now going on is that ASSA's committee is still at it trying to get Secretary Kerry to testify. He has even stated that his committee investigation can wrap it up if President Obama just comes clean and admits to all his wrongdoing like a good o' black man. Unfortunately, ASSA has been trumped by Boehner and has had to acquiesce.
The other thing is that Camp and Rogers want Ambassador Kerry to testify at their committee too. Let's call it the;
"DUAL OF THE HOUSE COMMITTEES"
Of course this is the only planned activities for the House of Representatives the rest of the year. After all they are dropping for now the IRS conspiracies of contemplating disallowing tax free status for Rove's Crossroads and AFP and other Koch funded tax evading organizations. Perhaps someone should tell Rove that it's not wise to go everywhere telling people and the press that he's given crossroads money $$$ to all those R candidates. Hundreds of millions, no less!
All of the following have been put on the back burner so that R TPers can go out and collect bribes and pay for votes in their gerrymandered districts.

# Immigration Reform
# Jobs jobs,jobs,jobs,jobs,jobs and jobs
# Military spending and closing un-needed bases.
# USEFUL discussions on tax reform
# TVA required to charge sufficiently to maintain its own equipment like the rest of utilities.
# De-Privatize NSA for greater protection and Homeland Security.
# ACA modifications for improvements only. No more votes.
# Election finance reform-Citizens SC United!
# Afghanistan withdrawal and Iran!
# Russia and Crimea!
# Election voter restrictions
# Trade miserable deals!
# Last but not least, CLIMATE CHANGE.
## ETC.,ETC.,ETC.,ETC.,ETC.,
Of course, the house repuglicans won't put this on their agenda until they control congress and the Presidency, but their goal is to:
Declare by Acclamation that The Koch's are King and Queen.
My questions:
1. Why no follow up to determining if there was an impact of the video as the Senate reported! Who paid and developed the video? Where were Libyans? How were reporters allowed to violate the crime scene?
2. What role did Romney's Foot in Mouth speeches on Cairo and Libya on 9/11&12 have as a distraction?
3. Should Assa's committee be disbanded for lack of credability?
4. Where are house reports? Camp,Rogers, and Assa's? Other reports completed >6 months ago?
5. What is status of FBI report? Is Interim report possible?
6. Will Rs return campaign funds collected at expense of dead Americans?
7. THE IRAQ INVESTIGATIONS BY REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES TOTALLY DEFICIENT AND WHITEWASH ATTEMPTS, THE BENGHAZI REPUBLICAN HOUSE COMMITTEE INVESTIGATIONS TOTALLY POLITICAL AND WITCH HUNTS. WHY? Coverup for inability to govern? ACA failure by Rs?
8. Should special prosecutors be appointed to investigate 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, or just the Bush/Cheney administration? Or just Cheney?t


REFERENCES

You may also be interested in...

Darrell Issa Declares War on John Boehner as Benghazi… The big House Benghazi investigation has turned into a full blown circus, as John Boehner has lost control over Darrell Issa, who has gone rogue, and is trashing Boehner's big plans.

Darrell Issa’s Benghazi Stunt Blows Up In His Face as… Darrell Issa's subpoena of Sec. of State John Kerry has completely backfired, as the State Department announced that Kerry would not be testifying at next week's Benghazi hearing, and Issa put the subpoena on hold.

House Democrat Slams Darrell Issa For His Latest Benghazi… Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) shredded Darrell Issa's Benghazi subpoena of Sec. of State John Kerry by calling it a publicity stunt.

With Unemployment Shrinking and Obamacare Working, GOP… On a day where the unemployment rate fell to pre-financial crisis levels, and a month after private insurance enrollments through the ACA exceeded all expectations, Republicans decided to focus on the only thing they now think they can hammer President Obama on -- Benghazi.

Issa Accuses Obama of a Watergate Style Cover-Up While… While he was fundraising off of four dead Americans, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) accused President Obama of a Watergate style coverup.r-up.
http://t.mediaite.com/mediaite/#!/entry/bill-maher-dares-gop-to-impeach-obama-over-benghazi,53751e75e56d0bb8535e75bb/1
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-clinton-gets-the-gop-treatment/2014/05/15/6e3eaf4a-dc60-11e3-8009-71de85b9c527_story.html?wpisrc=nl_opinions
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-the-gops-benghazi-hangup-is-baffling/2014/05/12/d2eaeac8-d9f7-11e3-b745-87d39690c5c0_story.html
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/05/17/bill-maher-calls-republican-impeachment-cowards-promises-obama-kick-gop.html
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/05/17/issa-accuses-obama-watergate-style-cover-up-exploiting-benghazi-dead.html
Keep PA Blue (@UniteBluePA)
5/17/14, 15:24
Representative Alan Grayson: "Fox Is Calling The Shots" On Benghazi Witch Hunt mm4a.org/1j7C8VF #UniteBlue #PA
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/05/22/the-big-benghazi-dance/?wpisrc=nl%5Fpopns
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/benghazi-beirut-bombing_b_5353757.
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/05/30/hillary-clinton-delivers-withering-attack-republicans-exploiting-benghazi.html
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BENGHAZI_INVESTIGATORS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-06-02-03-38-57
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/29/richard-clarke-george-bush-war-crimes_n_5410619.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/07/richard-a-clarke-what-we-ve-learned-from-9-11.html
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/05/30/darrell-issa-throws-temper-tantrum-outsmarted-obamas-white-house.html
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2OiRTi-vqHA&autoplay=1
'HUBRIS BY DAVID CORN AND STEVEN ISIKOFF'i
Your turn,Oldroy!
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Benghazi vrs. Iraq br br Oldroy, comment! br If t... (show quote)


The fact is, we will likely NEVER know the complete, unaltered story of ANY Government action. With so much classified and/or redacted, everything we hear is guess work. Not even investigative journalists, with no fear of death, will be able to crack the classified files.

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Jun 4, 2014 23:39:07   #
Jack2014
 
Jack2014 wrote:
Benghazi vrs. Iraq

Oldroy, comment!
If there was an earthquake in Washington DC and President Obama was taking a dump you would blame him for the earthquake. If 'W' invaded Sweden in response to an EQ attack, you would make every attempt to prove that Sweden was run by EQ sympathizers and Muslims or somehow blame President Obama when he became President. Just saying!

The purpose of this topic is to compare the investigative response to events leading up to the Iraq war including 9/11 where ~ 3000 lives were lost and Iraq where ~ 4000 American soldiers died with the investigations currently underway for Benghazi and the deaths of four Americans including the Ambassador. Oldroy has accepted the challenge to prove that republican response to all these items was responsible attempts to get to the cause of these difficulties. I intend to prove that the republican response to Benghazi is totally irresponsible and politically motivated and disrespectful to the US diplomatic service.
IRAQ
It's necessary to remind Rs constantly that chemical weapons or their precursors were supplied to Hussein and he was shown how to use them by the administration of Reagan/Rumppsfeld/Cheney. He used them all up against Iranians and Kurds. This is known because Hussein did not use CW against the Israelis in his Scud missile attacks and against NATO in the Kuwait War.
The problem is that the current situation in Iraq may actually be worse than Hussein's operation. And it was basically set up by Bushies. Even Maliki was hand selected by Bushies and he turned around and bit it. Maliki is now establishing himself as a dictator being semi-controlled by Iran.
Then you need to keep in mind that Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Parts of Lebanon, Yemen, Iran?, were Russian ally's if not satellites. Saudi Arabia, Bahrain,Jordan, Kuwait, and the Emirates were our reluctant allies.
Bush1 reclaimed Kuwait by a brilliant NATO attack conducted by Schwarzkopf/Powell. But they left Hussein in partitioned control probably insisted on by Saudi's Because of Religious reasons.
Clinton didn't do much to alleviate any situation complaining about black market oil sales to supposedly provide medications but actually not so. He even attacked a warehouse that was empty w missiles that probably cost more than the sheds they hit.
Then came 9/11 and the intelligence deficient Bush2. We now know that he and Cheney were planning to attack Iraq as soon as a potential reason could be found and accepted by Americans and congress.
All for Iraq's oil. Cheneys secret meetings w Oil Company's must have outlined several items including mega mergers and Iraq Oil because bush declared the meetings secret under Executive Privilege. Americans deserve to see what was discussed.
Their first opportunity to strut our military prowess ,however, was to invade Afghanistan. This after the Northern Alliance had been successful in driving out the Taliban w our B-52 bomber support and spotters on the ground. 35000 of our best soldiers were deployed rapidly to Afghanistan.
No mission for them was reported.
Cheney now says it was to get B.Laden. What? He didn't even know if he was on the continent, pure and simple. It was a military and administration EGO trip. You know, 'W' the warrior president like his dad.This because the Russians had left with their tail between their legs and our people wanted to show how much superior we were to them, militarily. And they screwed the pooch here too. Karzai? Another Bushie selection that just happens to be Schitzo as well.
Comment, the only reason to legitimately stay in Afghanistan. now is to protect the modernized women from Religious fanatics, attacks, and political reversion, if possible. Afghanistan played a large role in causing the demise of the Russian Empire contrary to reaganites beliefs. It hasn't done us a bit of good either. In fact, all bush/Cheney did was protect the poppy trade.
Then Bushies invaded Iraq supposedly to keep Hussein from using WMD he didn't have. He also was electricity poor due to the Israelis bombing Iraq's nuclear power plant decades before. Ask any nuclear scientist how important it is to have sufficient and constant electrical sources. Ask the Japanese about their Fukushima fiasco. The same goes for bio. News sources, in their 'rush to war', totally ignored this fact. They didn't ask anyone and neither did the Bushies. Yellowcake is a long long way to a bomb w/o centrifuges anywhere and certainly not on truck trailers. And to my knowledge, yellowcake doesn't explode.
The Bushies 935 lies as documented in the book, Hubris by Corn and Isikoff, led to congress approving the use of force especially the claim that Hussein had Nucs. In my opinion ,this led to panic among the conservative press. C. Rice even referred to mushroom clouds over NYC.
These two Bushie/Cheney wars have dragged on and on and on while the Bushies and the military imposed their government style on both people's. Does anybody think that the Russians and Chinese weren't watching us clown around throwing money around everywhere. It's rumored even that Condy Rice was flying plane loads of cash and handing it out in both country's airports. Of course, the Hugely expensive Embassies in both country's were built at this time. That, plus all the money going in to buy favors from government officials, everywhere.
What have we gained in both war efforts-nothing. At great cost both in human life and treasure. In Iraq, several comments have come up relative to civilian lives lost. US lives lost to seriously injured was ~ 1/7. So, Iraqis reported losses were 150,000 dead. Seriously Injured was probably greater than 1,050,000. Iraq had seriously depleted medical supplies and facilities. So, how many survived injuries, if any, or died later. Unknown or unasked. Iraq has only a 23 million population,so, virtually every family was impacted. Great new freedom,George and Dicky. Does anybody still wonder why Bushie had shoes thrown at him.
Of course, no oil for us.
Russia and China are watching. And they got the oil. Wonder why!
Questions
1. Why was bush in Fla. when intel reported the possibility of imminent air attack by terrorists during 9/11.
2. Where was Cheney and the homeland security secretary?Where was Rice and Rumppsfeld?
3. What was the exact warning in the intel report.
4. What was the exact mission for the 35000 troops sent to Afghanistan?
5. The Northern a alliance won and kicked out the Taliban. Why did we interfere with their assuming leadership and bring in Karzai, a relative of the Taliban??
6. Why was it allowed that the republican congress and committees could whitewash the bush administration's incompetences and downright ineptness. Very little reported on how everything really occurred.
7. Do you support the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate the lack of government oversight and ineptness by the bush administration and republican congress?
It was reported recently that the cost of the Bushies Iraq War will be $ 6 Trillion by 2020 and keep rising until 2050. Just think,how many American cities could have been totally rebuilt by now if Dubya Bush would have left things alone or the real President sworn in.
Include building dozens of new VA hospitals, repairing or rebuilding roads and bridges, increasing military benefits, raising government salaries, rebuilding our ports and in so doing, getting almost full employment. Thank you W and the great liar Cheney. Nuclear bomb anyone? Oh forgot, 6000 American Soldiers died to take out Hussein when one sniper's bullet would have done it. Or one bomb,whatever! Cheney did save all that oil for Russia and China though.
Richard Clarke, security advisor for Clinton and Bush has declared repeatedly that Buh/Cheney are guilty of war crimes. We need to put them on trial, agreed?

BENGHAZI

Benghazi,Benghazi,Benghazi

Howdy Doofus Gowdy now has the Repuglican responsibility to carry the upside down elephant flag in a House Menagerie of committee investigations into the 2 years ago Benghazi, Libya attack which took the lives of Ambassador Stevens and three others. Gowdy has indicated he intends to stretch this investigation out for at least 2 more years to assure voters that he is committed to nailing responsibility for Ambassador Stevens death on Hillary Clinton and of course President Obama. He so much as said so, just like ASSA, maintaining TP interest through the 2014 election and finishing with very pertinent conclusions blaming Hillary by September 2016, just prior, so to impact the 2016 Presidential Election. Of course, an intermediate conclusion could be available to use in the impeachment trial of Temporary President Barack Hussein Obama. Did I say he was black? Well, he is! Some of Gowdy's supporters in South Carolina even think he paid for the attack on the consulate as well as believing he still was born in Kenya. " We, on the committee, will spare no effort to prove him guilty at our trial, he said". He did say, TRIAL! He meant KANGAROO COURT.
Of course, one key question not on Gowdy's list is why did the R TPers cut Embassey security to the tune of $500 million over the past 4 years. An Idaho Repuglican said he thought the State Department would shift manpower into Libya from that quite place,Iraq? What?
Where do repuglicans get them?

Howdy Gowdy has also said there should be no political fund raising based on his investigation, while winking with his fingers crossed behind his back and his other hand dipping into David Koch's change purse. Boehner, of course, had already issued a request for funds through the RNC. We all do this, Boehner said,at a press conference while slurping his words. Four whiskey Sours tend to do that to you. After all, Boehner said, the democrats and the Red Cross went fund raising for the victims of Katrina and Sandy! They had to because relief funds were held up for so long that people were dying in Sandy and horrendously in Katrina. Our FEMA Director Brown did an outstanding job with Katrina according to President Bush? Remember the Bush dome and all those people w/o food and water and sanitary facilities? Remember those great trailers he had built that smelled of good clean Urethane Insulation ? Only a few people got sick. WTH
Howdy Gowdy has even come up with a list of ten questions which he says he will get answered. Perhaps Gowdy should read the Senate and State Department Reports and find the answers there! These ,of course, after he spent 18 months on ASSA's jury-rigged and evidence modified committee. What was he doing?
SLEEPING?
One big question is " Where Was Pres. Obama the night of the attack? My answer-in the WH stupid!
The other thing that is now going on is that ASSA's committee is still at it trying to get Secretary Kerry to testify. He has even stated that his committee investigation can wrap it up if President Obama just comes clean and admits to all his wrongdoing like a good o' black man. Unfortunately, ASSA has been trumped by Boehner and has had to acquiesce.
The other thing is that Camp and Rogers want Ambassador Kerry to testify at their committee too. Let's call it the;
"DUAL OF THE HOUSE COMMITTEES"
Of course this is the only planned activities for the House of Representatives the rest of the year. After all they are dropping for now the IRS conspiracies of contemplating disallowing tax free status for Rove's Crossroads and AFP and other Koch funded tax evading organizations. Perhaps someone should tell Rove that it's not wise to go everywhere telling people and the press that he's given crossroads money $$$ to all those R candidates. Hundreds of millions, no less!
All of the following have been put on the back burner so that R TPers can go out and collect bribes and pay for votes in their gerrymandered districts.

# Immigration Reform
# Jobs jobs,jobs,jobs,jobs,jobs and jobs
# Military spending and closing un-needed bases.
# USEFUL discussions on tax reform
# TVA required to charge sufficiently to maintain its own equipment like the rest of utilities.
# De-Privatize NSA for greater protection and Homeland Security.
# ACA modifications for improvements only. No more votes.
# Election finance reform-Citizens SC United!
# Afghanistan withdrawal and Iran!
# Russia and Crimea!
# Election voter restrictions
# Trade miserable deals!
# Last but not least, CLIMATE CHANGE.
## ETC.,ETC.,ETC.,ETC.,ETC.,
Of course, the house repuglicans won't put this on their agenda until they control congress and the Presidency, but their goal is to:
Declare by Acclamation that The Koch's are King and Queen.
My questions:
1. Why no follow up to determining if there was an impact of the video as the Senate reported! Who paid and developed the video? Where were Libyans? How were reporters allowed to violate the crime scene?
2. What role did Romney's Foot in Mouth speeches on Cairo and Libya on 9/11&12 have as a distraction?
3. Should Assa's committee be disbanded for lack of credability?
4. Where are house reports? Camp,Rogers, and Assa's? Other reports completed >6 months ago?
5. What is status of FBI report? Is Interim report possible?
6. Will Rs return campaign funds collected at expense of dead Americans?
7. THE IRAQ INVESTIGATIONS BY REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES TOTALLY DEFICIENT AND WHITEWASH ATTEMPTS, THE BENGHAZI REPUBLICAN HOUSE COMMITTEE INVESTIGATIONS TOTALLY POLITICAL AND WITCH HUNTS. WHY? Coverup for inability to govern? ACA failure by Rs?
8. Should special prosecutors be appointed to investigate 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, or just the Bush/Cheney administration? Or just Cheney?t


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5/17/14, 15:24
Representative Alan Grayson: "Fox Is Calling The Shots" On Benghazi Witch Hunt mm4a.org/1j7C8VF #UniteBlue #PA
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/05/22/the-big-benghazi-dance/?wpisrc=nl%5Fpopns
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/benghazi-beirut-bombing_b_5353757.
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/05/30/hillary-clinton-delivers-withering-attack-republicans-exploiting-benghazi.html
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BENGHAZI_INVESTIGATORS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-06-02-03-38-57
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/29/richard-clarke-george-bush-war-crimes_n_5410619.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/07/richard-a-clarke-what-we-ve-learned-from-9-11.html
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/05/30/darrell-issa-throws-temper-tantrum-outsmarted-obamas-white-house.html
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2OiRTi-vqHA&autoplay=1
'HUBRIS BY DAVID CORN AND STEVEN ISIKOFF'i
Your turn,Oldroy!
.
Benghazi vrs. Iraq br br Oldroy, comment! br If t... (show quote)


Jack2014 wrote:

Well,for those waiting patiently for your favorite's Oldroy Response. He quit already! He got killed with only one shot. Too bad! He didn't even have the guts to back out on this thread. Anybody else want to step up and accept my challenge?

Simple, just defend the 2 year old Benghazi non crisis!
Simple, just defend the  2 year old Benghazi non c...

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Jun 5, 2014 00:15:44   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
Jack2014 wrote:
Benghazi vrs. Iraq

...The problem is that the current situation in Iraq may actually be worse than Hussein's operation. And it was basically set up by Bushies. Even Maliki was hand selected by Bushies and he turned around and bit it. Maliki is now establishing himself as a dictator being semi-controlled by Iran.
...Then came 9/11 and the intelligence deficient Bush2. We now know that he and Cheney were planning to attack Iraq as soon as a potential reason could be found and accepted by Americans and congress.
... Americans deserve to see what was discussed.
...No mission for them was reported.
...Then Bushies invaded Iraq supposedly to keep Hussein from using WMD he didn't have.
...the cost of the Bushies Iraq War will be $ 6 Trillion by 2020 and keep rising until 2050.
...Thank you W and the great liar Cheney.
...6000 American Soldiers died to take out Hussein
...Bush/Cheney are guilty of war crimes. We need to put them on trial, agreed?
Benghazi vrs. Iraq br br ...The problem is that t... (show quote)


You make some valid points. Maybe the point of Benghazi is to distract us from forgetting all that mess especially with $ 6 Trillion by 2020 and keep rising until 2050. It makes me think about the policy change of sanctions, NATO exercises, smart bombs and drones may be a more practical approach for years to come.

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Jun 5, 2014 00:26:49   #
Jack2014
 
UncleJesse wrote:
You make some valid points. Maybe the point of Benghazi is to distract us from forgetting all that mess especially with $ 6 Trillion by 2020 and keep rising until 2050. It makes me think about the policy change of sanctions, NATO exercises, smart bombs and drones may be a more practical approach for years to come.


The problem is that the neocon war mongers will claim we are all peace lovers? Ok with me!
We just need to be prepared for all their threats like the ones they are leveling at Bergdahl w/o a military trial.
Your comment makes sense and can add the coverup of no progress and too much time off.

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Jun 5, 2014 00:48:51   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Jack2014 wrote:
The problem is that the neocon war mongers will claim we are all peace lovers? Ok with me!
We just need to be prepared for all their threats like the ones they are leveling at Bergdahl w/o a military trial.
Your comment makes sense and can add the coverup of no progress and too much time off.


No Government policy is ever adopted - unless some friend, family member, or former foe - can make a bundle. Does anyone know the budget for the totally useless and redundant Department of Homeland Security? I wonder how many Bush/Cheney comrades have gotten even richer from THAT bullshit.

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Jun 5, 2014 01:02:33   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
Jack2014 wrote:
The problem is that the neocon war mongers will claim we are all peace lovers? Ok with me!
We just need to be prepared for all their threats like the ones they are leveling at Bergdahl w/o a military trial.
Your comment makes sense and can add the coverup of no progress and too much time off.


I don't have a problem with the hearing especially if there is a recognition of practical improvements to some way, when state dept diplomats abroad ask for more security and if it isn't in the congressional budget then defense oversight committee should then find the money from Pentagon budget if at least to send a tank, gunner or assess the safe room and upgrade communications.

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Jun 5, 2014 02:21:39   #
Jack2014
 
UncleJesse wrote:
I don't have a problem with the hearing especially if there is a recognition of practical improvements to some way, when state dept diplomats abroad ask for more security and if it isn't in the congressional budget then defense oversight committee should then find the money from Pentagon budget if at least to send a tank, gunner or assess the safe room and upgrade communications.


I just have a problem w the appointed committee. Gowdy asks questions that should have been Asked and answered on the first day after. No political BS.

It's a Kangaroo Court. Not an investigative committee
It's a Kangaroo Court. Not an investigative commit...

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Jun 5, 2014 02:29:42   #
Jack2014
 
lpnmajor wrote:
No Government policy is ever adopted - unless some friend, family member, or former foe - can make a bundle. Does anyone know the budget for the totally useless and redundant Department of Homeland Security? I wonder how many Bush/Cheney comrades have gotten even richer from THAT bullshit.

Got that right!
Did the Katrina supplies ever get to the NO dome?
Who built the Urethane trailers?
Who supplied all the bottled water?
Why was downtown NO,rebuilt and the black neighborhoods left dormant w all that gov $&$.
Etc.,
Etc.
Etc.,...

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Jun 23, 2014 09:55:34   #
Jack2014
 
Jack2014 wrote:
Benghazi vrs. Iraq

Oldroy, comment!
If there was an earthquake in Washington DC and President Obama was taking a dump you would blame him for the earthquake. If 'W' invaded Sweden in response to an EQ attack, you would make every attempt to prove that Sweden was run by EQ sympathizers and Muslims or somehow blame President Obama when he became President. Just saying!

The purpose of this topic is to compare the investigative response to events leading up to the Iraq war including 9/11 where ~ 3000 lives were lost and Iraq where ~ 4000 American soldiers died with the investigations currently underway for Benghazi and the deaths of four Americans including the Ambassador. Oldroy has accepted the challenge to prove that republican response to all these items was responsible attempts to get to the cause of these difficulties. I intend to prove that the republican response to Benghazi is totally irresponsible and politically motivated and disrespectful to the US diplomatic service.
IRAQ
It's necessary to remind Rs constantly that chemical weapons or their precursors were supplied to Hussein and he was shown how to use them by the administration of Reagan/Rumppsfeld/Cheney. He used them all up against Iranians and Kurds. This is known because Hussein did not use CW against the Israelis in his Scud missile attacks and against NATO in the Kuwait War.
The problem is that the current situation in Iraq may actually be worse than Hussein's operation. And it was basically set up by Bushies. Even Maliki was hand selected by Bushies and he turned around and bit it. Maliki is now establishing himself as a dictator being semi-controlled by Iran.
Then you need to keep in mind that Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Parts of Lebanon, Yemen, Iran?, were Russian ally's if not satellites. Saudi Arabia, Bahrain,Jordan, Kuwait, and the Emirates were our reluctant allies.
Bush1 reclaimed Kuwait by a brilliant NATO attack conducted by Schwarzkopf/Powell. But they left Hussein in partitioned control probably insisted on by Saudi's Because of Religious reasons.
Clinton didn't do much to alleviate any situation complaining about black market oil sales to supposedly provide medications but actually not so. He even attacked a warehouse that was empty w missiles that probably cost more than the sheds they hit.
Then came 9/11 and the intelligence deficient Bush2. We now know that he and Cheney were planning to attack Iraq as soon as a potential reason could be found and accepted by Americans and congress.
All for Iraq's oil. Cheneys secret meetings w Oil Company's must have outlined several items including mega mergers and Iraq Oil because bush declared the meetings secret under Executive Privilege. Americans deserve to see what was discussed.
Their first opportunity to strut our military prowess ,however, was to invade Afghanistan. This after the Northern Alliance had been successful in driving out the Taliban w our B-52 bomber support and spotters on the ground. 35000 of our best soldiers were deployed rapidly to Afghanistan.
No mission for them was reported.
Cheney now says it was to get B.Laden. What? He didn't even know if he was on the continent, pure and simple. It was a military and administration EGO trip. You know, 'W' the warrior president like his dad.This because the Russians had left with their tail between their legs and our people wanted to show how much superior we were to them, militarily. And they screwed the pooch here too. Karzai? Another Bushie selection that just happens to be Schitzo as well.
Comment, the only reason to legitimately stay in Afghanistan. now is to protect the modernized women from Religious fanatics, attacks, and political reversion, if possible. Afghanistan played a large role in causing the demise of the Russian Empire contrary to reaganites beliefs. It hasn't done us a bit of good either. In fact, all bush/Cheney did was protect the poppy trade.
Then Bushies invaded Iraq supposedly to keep Hussein from using WMD he didn't have. He also was electricity poor due to the Israelis bombing Iraq's nuclear power plant decades before. Ask any nuclear scientist how important it is to have sufficient and constant electrical sources. Ask the Japanese about their Fukushima fiasco. The same goes for bio. News sources, in their 'rush to war', totally ignored this fact. They didn't ask anyone and neither did the Bushies. Yellowcake is a long long way to a bomb w/o centrifuges anywhere and certainly not on truck trailers. And to my knowledge, yellowcake doesn't explode.
The Bushies 935 lies as documented in the book, Hubris by Corn and Isikoff, led to congress approving the use of force especially the claim that Hussein had Nucs. In my opinion ,this led to panic among the conservative press. C. Rice even referred to mushroom clouds over NYC.
These two Bushie/Cheney wars have dragged on and on and on while the Bushies and the military imposed their government style on both people's. Does anybody think that the Russians and Chinese weren't watching us clown around throwing money around everywhere. It's rumored even that Condy Rice was flying plane loads of cash and handing it out in both country's airports. Of course, the Hugely expensive Embassies in both country's were built at this time. That, plus all the money going in to buy favors from government officials, everywhere.
What have we gained in both war efforts-nothing. At great cost both in human life and treasure. In Iraq, several comments have come up relative to civilian lives lost. US lives lost to seriously injured was ~ 1/7. So, Iraqis reported losses were 150,000 dead. Seriously Injured was probably greater than 1,050,000. Iraq had seriously depleted medical supplies and facilities. So, how many survived injuries, if any, or died later. Unknown or unasked. Iraq has only a 23 million population,so, virtually every family was impacted. Great new freedom,George and Dicky. Does anybody still wonder why Bushie had shoes thrown at him.
Of course, no oil for us.
Russia and China are watching. And they got the oil. Wonder why!
Questions
1. Why was bush in Fla. when intel reported the possibility of imminent air attack by terrorists during 9/11.
2. Where was Cheney and the homeland security secretary?Where was Rice and Rumppsfeld?
3. What was the exact warning in the intel report.
4. What was the exact mission for the 35000 troops sent to Afghanistan?
5. The Northern a alliance won and kicked out the Taliban. Why did we interfere with their assuming leadership and bring in Karzai, a relative of the Taliban??
6. Why was it allowed that the republican congress and committees could whitewash the bush administration's incompetences and downright ineptness. Very little reported on how everything really occurred.
7. Do you support the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate the lack of government oversight and ineptness by the bush administration and republican congress?
It was reported recently that the cost of the Bushies Iraq War will be $ 6 Trillion by 2020 and keep rising until 2050. Just think,how many American cities could have been totally rebuilt by now if Dubya Bush would have left things alone or the real President sworn in.
Include building dozens of new VA hospitals, repairing or rebuilding roads and bridges, increasing military benefits, raising government salaries, rebuilding our ports and in so doing, getting almost full employment. Thank you W and the great liar Cheney. Nuclear bomb anyone? Oh forgot, 6000 American Soldiers died to take out Hussein when one sniper's bullet would have done it. Or one bomb,whatever! Cheney did save all that oil for Russia and China though.
Richard Clarke, security advisor for Clinton and Bush has declared repeatedly that Buh/Cheney are guilty of war crimes. We need to put them on trial, agreed?

BENGHAZI

Benghazi,Benghazi,Benghazi

Howdy Doofus Gowdy now has the Repuglican responsibility to carry the upside down elephant flag in a House Menagerie of committee investigations into the 2 years ago Benghazi, Libya attack which took the lives of Ambassador Stevens and three others. Gowdy has indicated he intends to stretch this investigation out for at least 2 more years to assure voters that he is committed to nailing responsibility for Ambassador Stevens death on Hillary Clinton and of course President Obama. He so much as said so, just like ASSA, maintaining TP interest through the 2014 election and finishing with very pertinent conclusions blaming Hillary by September 2016, just prior, so to impact the 2016 Presidential Election. Of course, an intermediate conclusion could be available to use in the impeachment trial of Temporary President Barack Hussein Obama. Did I say he was black? Well, he is! Some of Gowdy's supporters in South Carolina even think he paid for the attack on the consulate as well as believing he still was born in Kenya. " We, on the committee, will spare no effort to prove him guilty at our trial, he said". He did say, TRIAL! He meant KANGAROO COURT.
Of course, one key question not on Gowdy's list is why did the R TPers cut Embassey security to the tune of $500 million over the past 4 years. An Idaho Repuglican said he thought the State Department would shift manpower into Libya from that quite place,Iraq? What?
Where do repuglicans get them?

Howdy Gowdy has also said there should be no political fund raising based on his investigation, while winking with his fingers crossed behind his back and his other hand dipping into David Koch's change purse. Boehner, of course, had already issued a request for funds through the RNC. We all do this, Boehner said,at a press conference while slurping his words. Four whiskey Sours tend to do that to you. After all, Boehner said, the democrats and the Red Cross went fund raising for the victims of Katrina and Sandy! They had to because relief funds were held up for so long that people were dying in Sandy and horrendously in Katrina. Our FEMA Director Brown did an outstanding job with Katrina according to President Bush? Remember the Bush dome and all those people w/o food and water and sanitary facilities? Remember those great trailers he had built that smelled of good clean Urethane Insulation ? Only a few people got sick. WTH
Howdy Gowdy has even come up with a list of ten questions which he says he will get answered. Perhaps Gowdy should read the Senate and State Department Reports and find the answers there! These ,of course, after he spent 18 months on ASSA's jury-rigged and evidence modified committee. What was he doing?
SLEEPING?
One big question is " Where Was Pres. Obama the night of the attack? My answer-in the WH stupid!
The other thing that is now going on is that ASSA's committee is still at it trying to get Secretary Kerry to testify. He has even stated that his committee investigation can wrap it up if President Obama just comes clean and admits to all his wrongdoing like a good o' black man. Unfortunately, ASSA has been trumped by Boehner and has had to acquiesce.
The other thing is that Camp and Rogers want Ambassador Kerry to testify at their committee too. Let's call it the;
"DUAL OF THE HOUSE COMMITTEES"
Of course this is the only planned activities for the House of Representatives the rest of the year. After all they are dropping for now the IRS conspiracies of contemplating disallowing tax free status for Rove's Crossroads and AFP and other Koch funded tax evading organizations. Perhaps someone should tell Rove that it's not wise to go everywhere telling people and the press that he's given crossroads money $$$ to all those R candidates. Hundreds of millions, no less!
All of the following have been put on the back burner so that R TPers can go out and collect bribes and pay for votes in their gerrymandered districts.

# Immigration Reform
# Jobs jobs,jobs,jobs,jobs,jobs and jobs
# Military spending and closing un-needed bases.
# USEFUL discussions on tax reform
# TVA required to charge sufficiently to maintain its own equipment like the rest of utilities.
# De-Privatize NSA for greater protection and Homeland Security.
# ACA modifications for improvements only. No more votes.
# Election finance reform-Citizens SC United!
# Afghanistan withdrawal and Iran!
# Russia and Crimea!
# Election voter restrictions
# Trade miserable deals!
# Last but not least, CLIMATE CHANGE.
## ETC.,ETC.,ETC.,ETC.,ETC.,
Of course, the house repuglicans won't put this on their agenda until they control congress and the Presidency, but their goal is to:
Declare by Acclamation that The Koch's are King and Queen.
My questions:
1. Why no follow up to determining if there was an impact of the video as the Senate reported! Who paid and developed the video? Where were Libyans? How were reporters allowed to violate the crime scene?
2. What role did Romney's Foot in Mouth speeches on Cairo and Libya on 9/11&12 have as a distraction?
3. Should Assa's committee be disbanded for lack of credability?
4. Where are house reports? Camp,Rogers, and Assa's? Other reports completed >6 months ago?
5. What is status of FBI report? Is Interim report possible?
6. Will Rs return campaign funds collected at expense of dead Americans?
7. THE IRAQ INVESTIGATIONS BY REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES TOTALLY DEFICIENT AND WHITEWASH ATTEMPTS, THE BENGHAZI REPUBLICAN HOUSE COMMITTEE INVESTIGATIONS TOTALLY POLITICAL AND WITCH HUNTS. WHY? Coverup for inability to govern? ACA failure by Rs?
8. Should special prosecutors be appointed to investigate 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, or just the Bush/Cheney administration? Or just Cheney?t


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The Gall of Dick Cheney

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Thank you for a top-drawer Op Ed column! The mess we all see in Iraq today was of zero concern to Mr. Cheney when he (it sure wasn't Bush...
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Mr. Cheney, Liz, and all the other 2001-2003 chickenhawks should take matters, and their shotguns, into their hands and parachute into Iraq...

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The situation in Iraq is truly worrisome, as militants threaten to tear the country asunder and disrupt the fragile, short-lived period absent all-out war there.

We have strategic interests in preventing Iraq from unraveling, not least of which is that we don’t need the country to become a haven for terrorists, particularly those who might see America as a target.

And of course, there is the uneasy subject of oil: Volatility in the region has already sent global oil prices soaring. On Wednesday, militants were said to have taken control of Iraq’s largest oil refinery.

We have to tread carefully here. There are no saints to be seen in this situation. Everyone’s hands are bloody. And, we don’t want to again get mired in a conflict in a country from which we have only recently extricated ourselves.

As we weigh our response, one of the last people who should say anything on the subject is a man who is partly responsible for the problem.

But former Vice President Dick Cheney, who was in the administration that deceived us into a nine-year war in Iraq, just can’t seem to keep his peace.

In an Op-Ed published with his daughter, Liz, in The Wall Street Journal on Tuesday, the Cheneys write:

“Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many.”

This, from the man who helped lead us into this trumped-up war, searching for nonexistent weapons of mass destruction, a war in which some 4,500 members of the American military were killed, many thousands more injured, and that is running a tab of trillions of dollars.

During the lead-up to the war, Mr. Cheney said to Tim Russert: “I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators.” Nothing could have been further from the truth.

Even if it were indeed rare to be “so wrong,” as Mr. Cheney puts it, he was vice president in an administration that was much more tragically wrong. His whole legacy is wrapped in wrong.

At one point in the article, the Cheneys state:

“Iraq is at risk of falling to a radical Islamic terror group and Mr. Obama is talking climate change. Terrorists take control of more territory and resources than ever before in history, and he goes golfing.”

Mr. Cheney must think that we have all forgotten the scene from “Fahrenheit 9/11,” Michael Moore’s 2004 documentary, in which President George W. Bush, brandishing a club on a golf course, looks into the camera and says,

“I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers. Thank you.”

That is quickly followed by, “Now, watch this drive,” and a shot of Bush swinging at the ball.

In fact, on one of the rare occasions that Mr. Cheney was actually right, in 1994, he warned about the problems that would be created by deposing Saddam Hussein:

“Once you got to Iraq and took it over, and took down Saddam Hussein’s government, then what are you going to put in its place? That’s a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq you can easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off. Part of it the Syrians would like to have to the west. Part of eastern Iraq, the Iranians would like to claim, fought over for eight years. In the north you’ve got the Kurds, and if the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey. It’s a quagmire.”

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That was quite prescient. And yet, the Bush administration pushed us into the Iraq war anyway, and the quagmire we now confront.

That’s why it’s so galling to read Mr. Cheney chastising this administration for its handling of the disaster that Mr. Cheney himself foresaw, but ignored.

I know that we as Americans have short attention spans, but most of us don’t suffer from amnesia. The Bush administration created this mess, and the Obama administration now has to clean it up.

The Cheneys wrote: “This president is willfully blind to the impact of his policies,” Mr. Cheney seemingly oblivious to the irony.

George W. Bush may well have been a disaster of a president (in a 2010 Siena College Research Institute survey, 238 presidential scholars ranked Bush among the five “worst ever” presidents in American history), but at least he has the dignity and grace — or shame and humility — to recede from public life with his family and his painting, and not chide and meddle with the current administration as it tries to right his wrong.

Mr. Cheney, meanwhile, is still trying to bend history toward an exoneration of his guilt and an expunging of his record. But history, on this, is stiff, and his record is written in blood.

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