What would be wrong in creating cheap electricity?
Jun 2, 2014 00:24:55 #
If I can produce electric energy 1,650 times cheaper than wind or solar energy can, would that be a goog thing? If we can do it and not create carbon emissions, would that be good also?
Do you understand, that if electric energy were made this cheap, every American could heat their houses in the winter. The end result would be oil going for about 25 cents on the dollar compared to today's prices.
Our nation can be energy independent if just a few years and it would start the US to become prosperous again. With oil demand down all the byproducts made from it would drop in price.
Several years ago it was warmer than usual in the winter on the east coast and less heating oil was used. As a direct result, we seen cheaper prices at the pump for gas and diesel as well as aviation gas, and jet fuel.
So if, people could purchase electric energy to heat their homes and businesses with at cheap rates, we would see a bigger reduction in the need for oil. Simple supply and demand economics.
To further make an impact for reduction, if we as a nation and as a people built an electric grid over our entire nations rail system, we could end up seeing hundreds of billions less gallons of diesel fuel being used.
Every thing being hauled to market would see a drastic savings from that shipment. Prices in every store would come way back down. We all would be able to fly as air fares come down with much cheaper fuel.
The low income would be able to drive again. People on the low income scale would be able to live better lives, and be able to afford things out of their reach today.
Building the electric grid would end up creating millions of good paying jobs. Building the electric generators to make the energy could create thousands of jobs. These jobs created, creates about six jobs for Americans to care for the needs of these.
With extremely cheap oil, our nation does not need to raise the minimum wage. The jobs created take people off of welfare, food stamps and unemployment.
The people working adds to the revenue, helping bring down the deficit with new tax revenue. Less money going out of the treasury and more coming in.
With cheaper air fares our airline industry flourishes. More people flying and having to use hotels and motels, this industry starts to rebound. More people working, more houses will be sold restoring this industry.
More cars will be able to sell, restoring the car companies. As all of us see these kinds of things happening, suddenly a glimmer of hope surfaces and the future does not look so bleak.
We see less people committing suicide because hope gives them the ability to want to live. Our youth see a glimmer of something we have not had the last six years. Our economy collapsed in 2008 and it is high time we end this depression.
Our nation sits waiting for the political parties to save us. That ain't happening because neither side wants to see the other side come up with an answer.
The answer is, we the people, by the people and for the people need to take our future into our hands, role up our slaves and fix it. We need to look out for our children's sakes because their future looks grim.
I for one, see we have an opportunity to do as our forefathers did and do the right thing, even if it is hard. If anyone wants to join me, you are welcome, but I ask you, tell others to join us.
The more of us asking, will eventually cause more and more to hear. If enough of us want a better future, then we will have it. If we do nothing but complain, nothing will change for the better.
This is not about politics but not letting politics ruin our chances to turn it all in our favor. Let's find a way to rebuild our nations infrastructure. Our forefathers had foresight and we were prospering from the work they did.
They built our electric grid which made us the industrial giant we had become. They built the telephone system to bring us together. They built the dams to give us cheap electric energy.
Today we watch ad the government begins to dismantle our electric power plants. If I can show you how we can let them all run and reduce our carbon footprint many times more than what is planned, should we do that instead?
To create electric energy at extremely higher rates, allows us to sell it cheaper and make huge returns on that investment. Water is able to generate 800 times more energy than wind, because the weight of water is that much greater. So we use water energy.
Next we do not use blade harvestors because, they are inferior to the paddlewheel. The paddlewheel makes all its energy at the greatest distance from the center making much greater leverage.
Our forefathers used these to power saw mills and mills to bring wheat into flower. These men knew what leverage can do, we seem to forget this simple tool.
Let's compare a 30' diameter wind generator to a 30' diameter wind water pump, to an old style wind mill from Holland and lastly to a paddle wheel 30' in diameter.
A 30' diameter wind generator built like those today can make 1 kilo watt (KW) of electric energy in a 20mph wind.
In over 5,000 attempts to create energy, it was found by putting a tail fin on the created more energy. The fact is this fin made the wind come from the side instead of the front. Making energy this way produced six times more energy that from the front.
Next, like the wind mills of Holland, they were wider at the greatest distance from the center. If they were twice ad wide, they doubled their energy. 6 X 2 is 12 times more energy than the new wind generator design delivers.
The wind generators today make energy all along the wind blade. The energy made by them at the greatest distance from center is up to 16 times greater than towards the center.
According to Paul Gipe who wrote wind energy for dummies shoed a chart on how much each generator makes in size, in a 20 mph wind. It shows each time they doubled the wind generators blade length, energy increased over four times.
A paddlewheel makes all its energy at the farthest distance from center. On average it will make 12 times the energy of a 30' diameter wind generator. If we multiply this times the 12 from the other abilities we see some 144 times the energy from the 30' diameter paddlewheel over the modern 3 bladed wind generator.
Now we will use water, so we can multiply this by 800 times because, we use water. So our 144 X 800 would give our paddlewheel 115,200 KW's of energy.
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paddle wheels. A small aquaduct
Do you understand, that if electric energy were made this cheap, every American could heat their houses in the winter. The end result would be oil going for about 25 cents on the dollar compared to today's prices.
Our nation can be energy independent if just a few years and it would start the US to become prosperous again. With oil demand down all the byproducts made from it would drop in price.
Several years ago it was warmer than usual in the winter on the east coast and less heating oil was used. As a direct result, we seen cheaper prices at the pump for gas and diesel as well as aviation gas, and jet fuel.
So if, people could purchase electric energy to heat their homes and businesses with at cheap rates, we would see a bigger reduction in the need for oil. Simple supply and demand economics.
To further make an impact for reduction, if we as a nation and as a people built an electric grid over our entire nations rail system, we could end up seeing hundreds of billions less gallons of diesel fuel being used.
Every thing being hauled to market would see a drastic savings from that shipment. Prices in every store would come way back down. We all would be able to fly as air fares come down with much cheaper fuel.
The low income would be able to drive again. People on the low income scale would be able to live better lives, and be able to afford things out of their reach today.
Building the electric grid would end up creating millions of good paying jobs. Building the electric generators to make the energy could create thousands of jobs. These jobs created, creates about six jobs for Americans to care for the needs of these.
With extremely cheap oil, our nation does not need to raise the minimum wage. The jobs created take people off of welfare, food stamps and unemployment.
The people working adds to the revenue, helping bring down the deficit with new tax revenue. Less money going out of the treasury and more coming in.
With cheaper air fares our airline industry flourishes. More people flying and having to use hotels and motels, this industry starts to rebound. More people working, more houses will be sold restoring this industry.
More cars will be able to sell, restoring the car companies. As all of us see these kinds of things happening, suddenly a glimmer of hope surfaces and the future does not look so bleak.
We see less people committing suicide because hope gives them the ability to want to live. Our youth see a glimmer of something we have not had the last six years. Our economy collapsed in 2008 and it is high time we end this depression.
Our nation sits waiting for the political parties to save us. That ain't happening because neither side wants to see the other side come up with an answer.
The answer is, we the people, by the people and for the people need to take our future into our hands, role up our slaves and fix it. We need to look out for our children's sakes because their future looks grim.
I for one, see we have an opportunity to do as our forefathers did and do the right thing, even if it is hard. If anyone wants to join me, you are welcome, but I ask you, tell others to join us.
The more of us asking, will eventually cause more and more to hear. If enough of us want a better future, then we will have it. If we do nothing but complain, nothing will change for the better.
This is not about politics but not letting politics ruin our chances to turn it all in our favor. Let's find a way to rebuild our nations infrastructure. Our forefathers had foresight and we were prospering from the work they did.
They built our electric grid which made us the industrial giant we had become. They built the telephone system to bring us together. They built the dams to give us cheap electric energy.
Today we watch ad the government begins to dismantle our electric power plants. If I can show you how we can let them all run and reduce our carbon footprint many times more than what is planned, should we do that instead?
To create electric energy at extremely higher rates, allows us to sell it cheaper and make huge returns on that investment. Water is able to generate 800 times more energy than wind, because the weight of water is that much greater. So we use water energy.
Next we do not use blade harvestors because, they are inferior to the paddlewheel. The paddlewheel makes all its energy at the greatest distance from the center making much greater leverage.
Our forefathers used these to power saw mills and mills to bring wheat into flower. These men knew what leverage can do, we seem to forget this simple tool.
Let's compare a 30' diameter wind generator to a 30' diameter wind water pump, to an old style wind mill from Holland and lastly to a paddle wheel 30' in diameter.
A 30' diameter wind generator built like those today can make 1 kilo watt (KW) of electric energy in a 20mph wind.
In over 5,000 attempts to create energy, it was found by putting a tail fin on the created more energy. The fact is this fin made the wind come from the side instead of the front. Making energy this way produced six times more energy that from the front.
Next, like the wind mills of Holland, they were wider at the greatest distance from the center. If they were twice ad wide, they doubled their energy. 6 X 2 is 12 times more energy than the new wind generator design delivers.
The wind generators today make energy all along the wind blade. The energy made by them at the greatest distance from center is up to 16 times greater than towards the center.
According to Paul Gipe who wrote wind energy for dummies shoed a chart on how much each generator makes in size, in a 20 mph wind. It shows each time they doubled the wind generators blade length, energy increased over four times.
A paddlewheel makes all its energy at the farthest distance from center. On average it will make 12 times the energy of a 30' diameter wind generator. If we multiply this times the 12 from the other abilities we see some 144 times the energy from the 30' diameter paddlewheel over the modern 3 bladed wind generator.
Now we will use water, so we can multiply this by 800 times because, we use water. So our 144 X 800 would give our paddlewheel 115,200 KW's of energy.
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paddle wheels. A small aquaduct
Jun 2, 2014 00:53:01 #
William Ehlert wrote:
If I can produce electric energy 1,650 times cheap... (show quote)
The power companies would not like this; therefore it will not even be considered. Unless a way can be found to increase their profits, it's a no go.
Jun 2, 2014 01:47:12 #
Sir,
With all due respect, I am compelled to inform you that our last rodeo has already begun and soon there will be no need for manmade energy of any device or effort.
I suggest that all previous theories will soon be proven fatally moot and ill-conceived.
The King Of Zion hath prepareth an emblazoned white steed. It stamps the kingdom floor at ready.
Woe be unto man, woe be unto man. The Sword Of Truth is near thee.
With all due respect, I am compelled to inform you that our last rodeo has already begun and soon there will be no need for manmade energy of any device or effort.
I suggest that all previous theories will soon be proven fatally moot and ill-conceived.
The King Of Zion hath prepareth an emblazoned white steed. It stamps the kingdom floor at ready.
Woe be unto man, woe be unto man. The Sword Of Truth is near thee.
grace scott wrote:
The power companies would not like this; therefore it will not even be considered. Unless a way can be found to increase their profits, it's a no go.
Jun 2, 2014 01:54:22 #
When built and running the law states, if someone makes electric energy, the power companies must purchase it at fare market value.
If we create electric energy at the rate shown, we sell this energy to the power companies for pennies compared to other providers. If we were not in America, you would be right.
Supply and demand gives us the ability to supply so much cheaply, the power companies can buy it real cheap mark it up to make a profit, it can be done.
If we make it cheap the ones that cannot compete lose. Free market trade makes this possible. I remember when I was young, we used to have gas wars. Each station sold their gas cheap.
If the other guy lowered his price and you did not, you lost business to him. All the different gas companies competed for our money. Lately they get together and fix the price high to make more money.
If we create electric energy at the rate shown, we sell this energy to the power companies for pennies compared to other providers. If we were not in America, you would be right.
Supply and demand gives us the ability to supply so much cheaply, the power companies can buy it real cheap mark it up to make a profit, it can be done.
If we make it cheap the ones that cannot compete lose. Free market trade makes this possible. I remember when I was young, we used to have gas wars. Each station sold their gas cheap.
If the other guy lowered his price and you did not, you lost business to him. All the different gas companies competed for our money. Lately they get together and fix the price high to make more money.
Jun 2, 2014 01:58:36 #
Sir,
Please refer to the above statement and then proceed to your nearest closet, get down on your knees, and pray for mercy.
Please refer to the above statement and then proceed to your nearest closet, get down on your knees, and pray for mercy.
Jun 2, 2014 02:14:44 #
If we can create electric energy like this, what am I to ask while on my knees? I firmly believe God gives gifts to men. I believe this knowledge comes from my Creator and if so, why should I repent for telling about it?
I spent two years in Vietnam from Sept. 7 1968 until Oct. 28 1970 rising to be an SP5 E5. I logged over 5,000 combat miles as a driver and another as the NCIOC (non commissioned officer in charge) on a hard truck for over 5,000 combat miles.
I have no reason to fear as God has been and will continue to protect me. Since I am showing you things I know He has shown me, I feel no reason to repent.
I spent two years in Vietnam from Sept. 7 1968 until Oct. 28 1970 rising to be an SP5 E5. I logged over 5,000 combat miles as a driver and another as the NCIOC (non commissioned officer in charge) on a hard truck for over 5,000 combat miles.
I have no reason to fear as God has been and will continue to protect me. Since I am showing you things I know He has shown me, I feel no reason to repent.
Jun 2, 2014 03:01:25 #
O K Mr. Ehlert,
You have now convinced me that you are not the maniac I mistook you for. Since you confess to believe, and you have survived two years in Nam, you deserve a word of encouragement.
You have actually made your point rather exuberantly. But speaking for myself only, I just don't seem to be able to conjure up any enthusiasm in regard to cheaper energy.
I'm always leery with anything that professes " cheaper ". And it has been my experience that if you pay cheap, cheap is what you get.
I would also find it difficult to utilize this alternative theory for the sake of profit because my present occupation, and my personal activities would not allow the window of time needed to achieve success.
I support your efforts in spirit and pray that you find success in your endeavors.
You have now convinced me that you are not the maniac I mistook you for. Since you confess to believe, and you have survived two years in Nam, you deserve a word of encouragement.
You have actually made your point rather exuberantly. But speaking for myself only, I just don't seem to be able to conjure up any enthusiasm in regard to cheaper energy.
I'm always leery with anything that professes " cheaper ". And it has been my experience that if you pay cheap, cheap is what you get.
I would also find it difficult to utilize this alternative theory for the sake of profit because my present occupation, and my personal activities would not allow the window of time needed to achieve success.
I support your efforts in spirit and pray that you find success in your endeavors.
William Ehlert wrote:
If we can create electric energy like this, what a... (show quote)
Jun 2, 2014 03:43:24 #
Not a thing. As others have said here, the present controlling bodies of our energy sector would not like that. Tesla had designed a method of making free energy to be transmitted to everyone over 100 years ago and Edison was totally against that idea, there is no profit in free energy. You can thank Edison for all the pollution and harm caused by using fossil fuels and in-turn nuclear energy to produce "for profit" energy. GREED!!!
But to give you some food for thought, look into magnetic driven motors that turn generators that require no power input. That idea does work, I have seen them in action. To truly get us off of fossil fuels it will take all of the alternative sources, wind, water, magnetic and solar. Also we will need to decentralize the power grid. Localize it. It is easier to manage and cost less to build on a smaller scale. We can install Thorium fueled reactors in our old nuclear power plants using them to dispose of the waste nuclear fuel rods from the old reactors and our useless weapons grade nuclear waste and produce power at the same time. According to some estimates there is enough waste fuel rods stored at reactor sites to give us about 100 years worth of energy if they started using Thorium reactors this way now. That in-turn will lower the cost of storage of the waste every year until all of it is burned up. But then you will piss off the weapons makers because you will take away their supplies of depleted uranium they need to make more WMD with.
And now for all the overtly religious types here who are saying the end is near, hum? Your type have been saying that for centuries now and it hasn't happened yet. So find a new cause. For those who say that science is just so evil, you need to stop using that evil science right now or you and all your families will burn in hell-fire forever.
Without all this science the computer or device you are using would not be around, nor would there be the energy to power it or the networks that allow for it's communications. You can throw away all this technology that is so evil and cut the power and phone lines from your caves or huts and live like your great-great-great-great grandpas great grandpa did back in the day. Oh yeah you can live on minimum wages too, because greed is also a sin. Remember you have to be a good steward of the earth, so recycle it when you do throw it away. Hum? I guess all these recycling processes are science too so, you are caught up in a catch 22 there.
But to give you some food for thought, look into magnetic driven motors that turn generators that require no power input. That idea does work, I have seen them in action. To truly get us off of fossil fuels it will take all of the alternative sources, wind, water, magnetic and solar. Also we will need to decentralize the power grid. Localize it. It is easier to manage and cost less to build on a smaller scale. We can install Thorium fueled reactors in our old nuclear power plants using them to dispose of the waste nuclear fuel rods from the old reactors and our useless weapons grade nuclear waste and produce power at the same time. According to some estimates there is enough waste fuel rods stored at reactor sites to give us about 100 years worth of energy if they started using Thorium reactors this way now. That in-turn will lower the cost of storage of the waste every year until all of it is burned up. But then you will piss off the weapons makers because you will take away their supplies of depleted uranium they need to make more WMD with.
And now for all the overtly religious types here who are saying the end is near, hum? Your type have been saying that for centuries now and it hasn't happened yet. So find a new cause. For those who say that science is just so evil, you need to stop using that evil science right now or you and all your families will burn in hell-fire forever.
Without all this science the computer or device you are using would not be around, nor would there be the energy to power it or the networks that allow for it's communications. You can throw away all this technology that is so evil and cut the power and phone lines from your caves or huts and live like your great-great-great-great grandpas great grandpa did back in the day. Oh yeah you can live on minimum wages too, because greed is also a sin. Remember you have to be a good steward of the earth, so recycle it when you do throw it away. Hum? I guess all these recycling processes are science too so, you are caught up in a catch 22 there.
Jun 2, 2014 04:31:18 #
I have faith in God, He will make a way, just to prove men wrong. I have heard about the electromagnet engine. Back about four years ago I tried to make one myself. When I seen on the internet others pursuing the same thing, I chose to go after other energy forms.
I show many of these on my website. Thebestnewenergies.com where you can see a project we should do in California. Too many people are either pessimistic but I am an optomist at heart.
I while in Vietnam learned, if you just don't give up, things get done. As people see things working they eventually join in. I could have just done nothing like many others, but I am not wired that way. I could have come home a private, but rose to be an E 5.
While working at Puget Sound Naval Base in Bremerton, Washington I became a full scale black iron mechanic / outside machinist. I later became a full scale nuclear worker as an mechanic / outside machinist as a WG10 step 5 as a civilian.
I worked there for over 18 years and have well over 45 years experience to draw from. I was sub safe qualified to work on hull valves where I found some extremely neat things out about making energy.
Can you tell me, did our forefathers give up and wring their hands saying it is too hard? No they just rolled up their sleves and went to work. We need to do as them.
I do agree about getting as far away from nuclear energy as possible, as soon as possible. My older brother Don Ehlert was a foreman at Hanford in Washington State.
I would like to see no new nuclear power plants being built. We have a nuclear waste dump at Hanford which is leaking into the soil and will be killing people when it gets into the drinking water system there. It is not if, but when.
There is another waste dump for nuclear waste and now too, it is found to be leaking into the soil. People would be extremely upset if they knew how grave the danger is. I cannot understand why liberals want to keep building nuclear reactors after Chernoble in Russia and the melt down in Japan.
Totally idiotic to pursue energy so dangerous to all life. To make a Sain decision to get as far away from nuclear energy, is a good idea.
William
I show many of these on my website. Thebestnewenergies.com where you can see a project we should do in California. Too many people are either pessimistic but I am an optomist at heart.
I while in Vietnam learned, if you just don't give up, things get done. As people see things working they eventually join in. I could have just done nothing like many others, but I am not wired that way. I could have come home a private, but rose to be an E 5.
While working at Puget Sound Naval Base in Bremerton, Washington I became a full scale black iron mechanic / outside machinist. I later became a full scale nuclear worker as an mechanic / outside machinist as a WG10 step 5 as a civilian.
I worked there for over 18 years and have well over 45 years experience to draw from. I was sub safe qualified to work on hull valves where I found some extremely neat things out about making energy.
Can you tell me, did our forefathers give up and wring their hands saying it is too hard? No they just rolled up their sleves and went to work. We need to do as them.
I do agree about getting as far away from nuclear energy as possible, as soon as possible. My older brother Don Ehlert was a foreman at Hanford in Washington State.
I would like to see no new nuclear power plants being built. We have a nuclear waste dump at Hanford which is leaking into the soil and will be killing people when it gets into the drinking water system there. It is not if, but when.
There is another waste dump for nuclear waste and now too, it is found to be leaking into the soil. People would be extremely upset if they knew how grave the danger is. I cannot understand why liberals want to keep building nuclear reactors after Chernoble in Russia and the melt down in Japan.
Totally idiotic to pursue energy so dangerous to all life. To make a Sain decision to get as far away from nuclear energy, is a good idea.
William
Jun 2, 2014 10:09:28 #
lpnmajor
Loc: Arkansas
William Ehlert wrote:
I have faith in God, He will make a way, just to p... (show quote)
We, as a Nation, don't do anything unless forced to. We have become lazy and dependent, so as long as we get what we want with little effort, we'll not change a thing. We are convinced that when our great grandchildren face disaster, some of them will rise to the occasion and fix what we broke, so we needn't worry.
Jun 2, 2014 18:38:53 #
What makes you think your children will get off their butts and do something, you are too lazy to do? Like father, like son, they too will burry their head in the sand just like their dad.
Lift up your head and notice, we are the generation that does it, or we are the ones who let our nation and future generations down!
I for one, will keep trying to fix what needs being fixed!
Lift up your head and notice, we are the generation that does it, or we are the ones who let our nation and future generations down!
I for one, will keep trying to fix what needs being fixed!
Jun 2, 2014 19:03:19 #
lpnmajor
Loc: Arkansas
William Ehlert wrote:
What makes you think your children will get off their butts and do something, you are too lazy to do? Like father, like son, they too will burry their head in the sand just like their dad.
Lift up your head and notice, we are the generation that does it, or we are the ones who let our nation and future generations down!
I for one, will keep trying to fix what needs being fixed!
Lift up your head and notice, we are the generation that does it, or we are the ones who let our nation and future generations down!
I for one, will keep trying to fix what needs being fixed!
That's like trying to row upstream with a spoon. You are earnest, but the current will take you down to hell where everyone else is. The community dedicated to saving our planet is quite small.
Jun 2, 2014 19:15:00 #
William Ehlert wrote:
What makes you think your children will get off their butts and do something, you are too lazy to do? Like father, like son, they too will burry their head in the sand just like their dad.
Lift up your head and notice, we are the generation that does it, or we are the ones who let our nation and future generations down!
I for one, will keep trying to fix what needs being fixed!
Lift up your head and notice, we are the generation that does it, or we are the ones who let our nation and future generations down!
I for one, will keep trying to fix what needs being fixed!
I have viewed your website and applaud your intent, I have one small question on flooding death valley with seawater to create electric energy via paddle wheel.... What happens when the valley fills with water ? Water seeks its own level, once the valley is full you have a lake with no potential energy left to turn your paddle wheel.
Jun 2, 2014 19:30:16 #
lpnmajor
Loc: Arkansas
emarine wrote:
I have viewed your website and applaud your intent, I have one small question on flooding death valley with seawater to create electric energy via paddle wheel.... What happens when the valley fills with water ? Water seeks its own level, once the valley is full you have a lake with no potential energy left to turn your paddle wheel.
Wait for an earthquake, that will open a new channel.
Jun 2, 2014 19:33:30 #
lpnmajor wrote:
Wait for an earthquake, that will open a new channel.
An optimist on OPP.... I knew there had to be one... :thumbup:
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