rumitoid

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father... Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with the hand mill; one will be taken and the other left... Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come" (Matthew 24:36, 40, 42). And those taken are those that are not "Raptured" but simply die from lack of faith, as its reference to Noah establish.

Pay attention: The signs which the Lord mentioned are found in Matthew 24:4-14. We will not take the time to discuss them here, but it is sufficient to say that every single one of them was fulfilled within the forty year span between the time of the Lord’s discourse and the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

THERE ARE NO SIGNS FOR THE SECOND COMING! No wars and rumors of war, no earthquakes and such. Naught. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

Pathetic apologists try to explain what is plain and has nothing to do with his Second Coming, attempt ridiculously to make the phrase “This generation shall not pass away until ...” into some some exotic interpretation. No need. It only has to do with the destruction of the Temple. And “all these things” – the signs – were to be accomplished before “this generation” passed away." You believe Jesus lied or was involved is some complex word game?

Wake up from this distracting BS about the signs of the End Times. This is a huge disservice to the faith. Something like a magicians sleight-of-hand. Paul warned of this: Look over here.

The Lord declared that NO TIME indicators would be given to signal his Return; rather, the Judgment Day would catch men unawares. Again, please note that the Bible says there are no signs for the Second Coming.

As the people of Noah’s day continued business as normal “until the day” that the flood came, “so shall be the coming of the Son of man” (38,39).

The people of ancient Sodom were unaware of the impending disaster until “the day that Lot went out from Sodom,” even so “after the same manner shall it be in the day that the Son of man is revealed” (Lk. 17:28-30).

Christ declared that he would come at an unexpected time, even as a thief does. “If the master of the house had known in what watch the thief was coming, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken through. Therefore be ye also ready; for in an hour that ye think not the Son of man cometh” (43,44; cf. 1 Thes. 5:2; 2 Pet. 3:10).

The parable of the virgins in Matthew 25 surely teaches the lesson of constant preparation, for the bridegroom will come at the most unexpected time [the midnight hour — a most surprising time for a wedding!].


What more evidence do you need that the Second Coming will be a welcomed and tragic Surprise Party for the world. Stop the silly and misleading ideas there are signs we can interpret. Does a thief write a note, "I will be by your house tonight to steal from you"? Ridiculous!

Rose42

Is this another idea from the mystic Elaine Pagels?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Just another thread that forces you to think...

Heresy or apostacy?

Rose42

If you think this forces one to think then you need to read your bible. Most don't predict a time, they're just aware of signs. If the signs were pointless God would never have had them in the bible. Nothing is in there by accident - its all by design.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I doubt there is any force short of the Lord Himself that could force certain people to think ..

What is the point of the signs?
A serious question...
They are doing Revelations at the university Bible study and it would be interesting share an American Evangelical's perception...
Are you pre-trib?

Rose42

Agreed. It sure looks like rumi hasn't thought it through or researched it. lol



Why not ask rumi what the points of the signs are since you think he knows better than reputable bible teachers and scholars?

How would any of us know why anything is in the bible other than God for His own purposes wanted us to know? Read Psalm 19. It says among other things that His word is perfect and I take Him at His word.

I think the rapture occurs in the middle of the 7 years when the peace ends but I don't enough about it.

rumitoid

Rose, I am really frustrated trying to have a civil discussion with you. You keep questioning my motives and word. Without actually knowing me or other evidence, that is gossip. Can you just stick to the discussion without the need to undermine me? If you show me to be wrong, we both benefit.

Rose, please show me one sign in the Bible that is an omen of Christ's imminent Second Coming. I say that there are none. What I find somewhat tragic is the ridiculous lengths many so-called Christian scholars, well-respected Church leaders, and others of faith have gone to explain away or try mental gymnastics to make “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place” to fit their idea of prophecy. Jesus meant exactly what he said: "this generation." Satan is the Deceiver, not Christ.

Read about all the many vying sects with their theories over those words. It is not unlike the absurdities you will find in the satire of Jonathan Swift or Lewis Carroll. Magpie screeching. Was the Bible meant for such wild debates about its meaning or is it clear and direct on the Word? "Lean not on your understanding" seems a just caution with that crowd.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Thanks...

Was just curious...

It's been a while since I attended...But the man running it is a friend and I may go tonight...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

“If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.” Elbert Hubbard

Another poster sent me this...
I think it is appropriate...


Once again... Although I don't always agree with you I do appreciate your threads for making me think...

Rose42

Why wouldn’t anyone question your motives by the way you word most of your posts?

Did you get your ideas about Revelation from Elaine Pagels? You do know she’s not a Christian

rumitoid

What do you not understand about civil discourse, Rose? Personal attacks are petty and base. Yet many on the Right, like you, appear to believe that is de rigueur. Attack the messenger. Sticking your tongue out at me over my beliefs may seem like a good argument, but if, say, Elaine Pagels is wrong, just prove it with scripture and stop the histrionics of assault on my character.

Hey, but the 1st Amendment gives you the latitude to insult rather than debate. Have at it!

Rose42

You insult people constantly. Its your M.O. Your OPs are insulting. Take that log out of your eye before you accuse others.

So you did get your ideas about Revelation from a non Christian? Very interesting. A person who doesn’t think Revelation ahould be in the bible because its ‘divisive’.

Much of her work is based on the disvovery of the Gnostc gospels in 1945 which have a different view of Jesus and the bible and contain many contradictions. They’re a fraud with apostles names attached in an effort to give them legitimacy.

One of her books is The Gnostic Paul. Paul was no gnostic. The early church fathers rejected the gnostic gospels as heresy.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Yet you choose to engage with him?
Engage being a poor choice of words..



Everyone is a non-Christian to you....
Matt 7:1



Yes they did

Glad you're coming around...

Rose42

No, just obvious false converts. Since you don't know the basic tenets of Christianity you are unable to discern. Matthew 7:1 doesn't mean we can't judge what is sin and what is false teaching. Atheists also try and misapply that verse.



To heresy? Not likely. Maybe one day you'll quit treating God's word so cavalierly.

rumitoid

Rose, when you accuse someone please be specific. Show one instance of my so-called insulting people constantly. How are my OPs insulting? Help me understand.

Maybe I treat discussion of anything with an intellectual distance, just enjoying minds at work. I went to school in that atmosphere. 16 years, 6 with Jesuits. Prove your point with evidence and reasonable arguments. It was not personal. Just a debate.

I reject the Gnostic Gospels as mostly heretical. I say "mostly," and the problem with saying that to people like you is your inability to see truth wherever it may arise. If it ain't in the Bible, it is blindly rejected. Yet some truth of it does exist in the Bible.