Red Onion Rip Loc: Oklahoma

The unfortunate fire that occurred on the USS FORRESTAL that a lot of conspiracy theorists have tried to blame on Jonn McCain had absolutely nothing to do with him. In fact he's not even mentioned in this video other than they show his name on a pilots assignment board at the very beginning. The following documentary and investigation is 1:25:00 Long, but you can skip through some of it.

If you start at the 21:30 Mark you can skip most of the conflagration and get to the actual investigation.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=drXW4QZVHNI

badbob85037

His plane was destroyed and though I no longer admire the man finding just how
low he would go it wasn't his fault. It was obama that fired the rocket and he did it with malicious. He killed those brave men just like he did Mexican military and law enforcement and as cold as he did the Libyan people.

Seth

While I was certainly no fan of John McCain, I couldn't figure out where this myth came from -- way back in Coast Guard basic training in the early 1970s they showed us an onboard safety training film, with video footage that included the Forestall disaster, and it was quite obviously an accident caused by gross negligence.

Airforceone

Not worth watching especially when I was there.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

You weren't there. Only in your mind. Liar.

woodguru

What are you talking about "obama fired the rocket"?

There is a serious disconnect here on this narrative of the "investigation". Who controls an investigation determines how the investigation is done...PERIOD. McCain's father who was the fleet admiral controlled the investigation. McCain was removed from the Forrestal within hours and transferred to his father's ship.

If the 40 witnesses who saw what happened are told that this is a matter of top secret security and they are never to speak about what they saw, most military men are going to take it to their graves, or as happened only talk about it as they are one step away from dying.

The facts are in stone and not debated, it's between the lines that is. There was footage that became classified that really had no need for secrecy except to cover unfortunate facts. If a tragic "accident" occurred there would be no need for secrecy, would there?

McCain had been under fire for "hot shotting", which was manually injecting fuel in the starting chamber and then igniting it, which blasted a long flame out the back of the plane. It was said that he had blasted an F4 that was behind him in line, and that caused a missile to fire into McCain's plane. Footage showed McCain running from his plane and the fire fighting effort that took place. The fire fighting footage of the accident was used in training for over a year until it was recognized that it led to some rather damning evidence leading up to the fire. The footage used to be available but isn't now.

Had McCain been treated with the same rules any other pilot in the Navy is this may have never happened. He repeatedly got away with this hot shotting stunt where any other pilot would have been taken off as a pilot.

Mike Easterday

CumStain McCain should have been thrown over board.

Red Onion Rip Loc: Oklahoma

I don't usually like to stir the pot, however, it's obvious you didn't take the time to watch the video I included with my post. Had you watched that video, you would have seen proof that Admiral McCain and his son, John McCain, had absolutely nothing to do with the fire or this investigation.

It was a combination of a failure to observe safety protocols in regards to the Zuni rocket pods carried by the F4's and the fact that the A4 Skyhawks were loaded with old WW II bombs. Why the old bombs, because the Pentagon was running out of munitions and had these old left over bombs which had been delivered to the FORRESTAL the day before.

The safety protocol that was violated, was a decision by the F4 pilots to have their munitions loaders plug the Zuni rocket pods into the F4's electrical system when the pods were hung on the wings. There was still a safety pin with a red flag that would be pulled just prior to launch. The reason for this change, was because it took the launch crew longer to plug in the pod and pull the pins just prior to launch. This step would mean the launch crews could launch planes faster, since all the crew had to do was pull the pin on the pods as the nose wheel was being attached to the catapult.

As for the old bombs, they had been in storage for years and were rusty. Not only that, but they had a shorter cookoff time. In fact their cookoff time was over a minute shorter than the conventional bombs of the time (i.e. the 60's)
Cookoff time is the time it takes the bomb to explode once it's exposed to fire.

Another problem, when the first bomb exploded it killed most of the trained firefighters onboard. From then on, the only firefighters they had, had to rely on what they learned in boot camp about fighting fires. They correctly used foam to try to quell the flames, which was the correct move, but some of then we're also using water, and all that accomplished was to wash away the foam.

So, if choose to, you can see all of this in the video including how the investigator initially determined what started the sequence of events. I'll let you see that for yourself.