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4-4-2019: the Chinese Shaanxi government razes Qianyang Catholic parish to ground
Apr 5, 2019 15:30:31 #
04/04/2019, 12.01
CHINA-VATICAN
Chinese Shaanxi government razes Qianyang parish to ground
by Bernardo Cervellera
Rome (AsiaNews) - This morning, the Qianyang (Shaanxi) government razed the only parish in the city to the ground. A bulldozer reduced the two-story building to rubble under the supervision of a group of policemen. In the video sent to AsiaNews we hear the sobs of some women, while several faithful look astonished at the destruction.
Some observers think that violence against the parish is a way to force the diocese to apply the new religious regulations and to have bishops and priests enrolled in the Patriotic Association.
Others point out that the communist cell that presides over the Qianyang government is made up of radical Maoists, for whom "religion is a fantasy that must be eradicated".
The building had an upper floor for the liturgy and a lower one that housed the nuns who offered medical visits and medicines to the population of the very poor area. The parish community is composed of 2 thousand faithful. Motive for destruction uncertain.
The Qianyang parish was located in a very poor area of Shaanxi and gathers around 2 thousand Catholics, all peasants. It was built with offerings from other communities in the diocese. On the upper floor the building housed the liturgy room; on the ground floor there were offices and the nuns residence. The sisters offered medical aid, medical visits and medicines to the indigent population.
The reasons for the destruction are still not known clearly.
The Diocese of Fengxiang, led until 2017 by Msgr. Luke Li Jingfeng has a special character in the Chinese church scene: it is the only diocese where neither the faithful nor the bishop are members of the Patriotic Association, although there is an Office for Religious Affairs. From 2017, the bishop has been 54 years old Msgr. Peter Li Huiyuan.
CHINA-VATICAN
Chinese Shaanxi government razes Qianyang parish to ground
by Bernardo Cervellera
Rome (AsiaNews) - This morning, the Qianyang (Shaanxi) government razed the only parish in the city to the ground. A bulldozer reduced the two-story building to rubble under the supervision of a group of policemen. In the video sent to AsiaNews we hear the sobs of some women, while several faithful look astonished at the destruction.
Some observers think that violence against the parish is a way to force the diocese to apply the new religious regulations and to have bishops and priests enrolled in the Patriotic Association.
Others point out that the communist cell that presides over the Qianyang government is made up of radical Maoists, for whom "religion is a fantasy that must be eradicated".
The building had an upper floor for the liturgy and a lower one that housed the nuns who offered medical visits and medicines to the population of the very poor area. The parish community is composed of 2 thousand faithful. Motive for destruction uncertain.
The Qianyang parish was located in a very poor area of Shaanxi and gathers around 2 thousand Catholics, all peasants. It was built with offerings from other communities in the diocese. On the upper floor the building housed the liturgy room; on the ground floor there were offices and the nuns residence. The sisters offered medical aid, medical visits and medicines to the indigent population.
The reasons for the destruction are still not known clearly.
The Diocese of Fengxiang, led until 2017 by Msgr. Luke Li Jingfeng has a special character in the Chinese church scene: it is the only diocese where neither the faithful nor the bishop are members of the Patriotic Association, although there is an Office for Religious Affairs. From 2017, the bishop has been 54 years old Msgr. Peter Li Huiyuan.
Apr 5, 2019 20:04:09 #
Before today's (4-4-2019) razing to the ground of a Catholic parish, other visible churches were closed.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliviaenos/2018/12/20/chinese-christians-faced-intensifying-persecution-ahead-of-christmas/#7ee4cd0925b4
As Christians around the globe prepared to celebrate the birth of Jesus on Christmas, 2018, Christians in China have been enduring a new and heightened wave of persecution.
Figh-profile arrests of lawyers and religious leaders is becoming a signature attribute of Chinese President Xi Jinping’s reign.
Three major churches were shuttered just this winter. Starting in September, Zion Church in Beijing was forcibly closed, then at the beginning of December, Early Rain Covenant Church in Chengdu, followed by Rongguili Church in Guangzhou two weeks later, in mid-December.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliviaenos/2018/12/20/chinese-christians-faced-intensifying-persecution-ahead-of-christmas/#7ee4cd0925b4
As Christians around the globe prepared to celebrate the birth of Jesus on Christmas, 2018, Christians in China have been enduring a new and heightened wave of persecution.
Figh-profile arrests of lawyers and religious leaders is becoming a signature attribute of Chinese President Xi Jinping’s reign.
Three major churches were shuttered just this winter. Starting in September, Zion Church in Beijing was forcibly closed, then at the beginning of December, Early Rain Covenant Church in Chengdu, followed by Rongguili Church in Guangzhou two weeks later, in mid-December.
Zemirah wrote:
04/04/2019, 12.01 br CHINA-VATICAN br br Chinese ... (show quote)
Apr 5, 2019 20:39:16 #
Zemirah wrote:
04/04/2019, 12.01 br CHINA-VATICAN br br Chinese ... (show quote)
Where are the police in the picture?
And the crowd of saddened worshipers?
This is a Church? Catholics are usually more symbolic...
Could you post the video? Maybe that would clear things up....
Radical Maoists
Who waited unti 40 years after the Cultural Revolution to carry out their nefarious designs... Maybe they were drunk or something... Bizarre... No
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Apr 5, 2019 20:41:39 #
Zemirah wrote:
Before today's (4-4-2019) razing to the ground of ... (show quote)
Your Forbes link doesn't work... Try reposting?
I remember when Early Rain Covenant was closed... A friend of mine in Chengdu was rather happy about it... Can't remember why... Will ask again...
Can't think of any high profile religious leaders who have been arrested... Help a man out?
Apr 5, 2019 20:59:25 #
Bizarre?
I find the height to which you are willing to go in defense of the Chinese and denial of their crackdown on Christians, in opposition to something that is known to the rest of the world, to be bizarre.
Did you expect to see St Patrick's Cathedral?
Please read this again:
The building had an upper floor for the liturgy and a lower one that housed the nuns who offered medical visits and medicines to the population of the very poor area. The parish community is composed of 2 thousand faithful. Motive for destruction uncertain.
The Qianyang parish was located in a very poor area of Shaanxi and gathers around 2 thousand Catholics, all peasants. It was built with offerings from other communities in the diocese. On the upper floor the building housed the liturgy room; on the ground floor there were offices and the nuns residence. The sisters offered medical aid, medical visits and medicines to the indigent population.
Please refer your questions regarding the video to the local Communist Chinese government censorship in control of what is or is not allowed online.
In your own words, "China is not the U.S.
I find the height to which you are willing to go in defense of the Chinese and denial of their crackdown on Christians, in opposition to something that is known to the rest of the world, to be bizarre.
Did you expect to see St Patrick's Cathedral?
Please read this again:
The building had an upper floor for the liturgy and a lower one that housed the nuns who offered medical visits and medicines to the population of the very poor area. The parish community is composed of 2 thousand faithful. Motive for destruction uncertain.
The Qianyang parish was located in a very poor area of Shaanxi and gathers around 2 thousand Catholics, all peasants. It was built with offerings from other communities in the diocese. On the upper floor the building housed the liturgy room; on the ground floor there were offices and the nuns residence. The sisters offered medical aid, medical visits and medicines to the indigent population.
Please refer your questions regarding the video to the local Communist Chinese government censorship in control of what is or is not allowed online.
In your own words, "China is not the U.S.
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Where are the police in the picture? br br And th... (show quote)
Apr 5, 2019 21:23:26 #
Zemirah wrote:
Bizarre? br br I find the height to which you ar... (show quote)
I expect to see a cross or two... Maybe some murals... Certainly some writing to indicate that the building was linked in some way to Christianity... It wasn't an underground Church...
China controls what Americans can post online
Amazing... You guys need to put a stop to that... Your article clearly states that there is a video... If so, why not post it?
And why hasn't the Vatican condemned this outrageous act?
I speak the truth as I know it.. The government certainly doesn't need me to defend them...
As for this supposed crack down...
More Churches every year...
More Mosques every year...
More Temples every year...
Hmmmm... Makes one Wonder if the Chinese understand what a crackdown is
Apr 6, 2019 10:38:44 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I expect to see a cross or two... Maybe some mural... (show quote)
You do remind me of the Germans during the Holocaust and the so called Christian churches that were there that never heard of the Jews being persecuted or if they did they denied it. I will put my stock in Zemirah over you sorry if that offends but I have conversed with Zemirah and Peewee both and do trust them whereas you I have had questions about what you are trying to sell us here for some time now.
Apr 6, 2019 10:58:16 #
bahmer wrote:
You do remind me of the Germans during the Holocaust and the so called Christian churches that were there that never heard of the Jews being persecuted or if they did they denied it. I will put my stock in Zemirah over you sorry if that offends but I have conversed with Zemirah and Peewee both and do trust them whereas you I have had questions about what you are trying to sell us here for some time now.
No problem Bahmer...
Not sure why it would offend... I don't mind disagreement... As lonG as it is civil...
Not sure that I am trying to sell anything... Just providing my perspective...
Not thrilled with the German analogy... But still not offended...
Hope you are well...
Your friend, Kyle
Apr 6, 2019 12:41:55 #
The Chinese understand perfectly. You, on the other hand seem to be the odd man out on the totem pole.
This superpower of a Communist dictator nation, said by our own State Department to be unsurpassed in their vast all encompassing cyber capabilities and total surveillance of their own citizens, you find to be the embodiment of "religious freedom," - with a slight caveat (of which you approve):
All religious bodies of worship must be 1) duly licensed by this monolithic government and 2) must be religiously "closely monitored" by the state.
I believe this paragraph from my original post is a clue to their destruction:
"The Diocese of Fengxiang, led until 2017 by Msgr. Luke Li Jingfeng has a special character in the Chinese church scene: it is the only diocese where neither the faithful nor the bishop are members of the Patriotic Association, although there is an Office for Religious Affairs."
In your own words, "illegal 'Underground churches' are dangerous.'" For the devout Christian members, they have always been so:
The Early Christian catacombs in Rome form an "underground" maze in the outskirts of the city, the catacombs provide a rare glimpse into the earliest centuries of Christianity.
The archaeology of the "underground" Roman catacombs in the second and third centuries AD, is where the graves of hundreds of thousands of Christians reflect the earliest period of the Christian era.
My post was an online news report from Rome (AsiaNews). It was not an American post.
Do you understand what a "crackdown is?" The Chinese government certainly does.
Think Tiananmen Square in Beijing on the night of June 3-4, 1989.
This superpower of a Communist dictator nation, said by our own State Department to be unsurpassed in their vast all encompassing cyber capabilities and total surveillance of their own citizens, you find to be the embodiment of "religious freedom," - with a slight caveat (of which you approve):
All religious bodies of worship must be 1) duly licensed by this monolithic government and 2) must be religiously "closely monitored" by the state.
I believe this paragraph from my original post is a clue to their destruction:
"The Diocese of Fengxiang, led until 2017 by Msgr. Luke Li Jingfeng has a special character in the Chinese church scene: it is the only diocese where neither the faithful nor the bishop are members of the Patriotic Association, although there is an Office for Religious Affairs."
In your own words, "illegal 'Underground churches' are dangerous.'" For the devout Christian members, they have always been so:
The Early Christian catacombs in Rome form an "underground" maze in the outskirts of the city, the catacombs provide a rare glimpse into the earliest centuries of Christianity.
The archaeology of the "underground" Roman catacombs in the second and third centuries AD, is where the graves of hundreds of thousands of Christians reflect the earliest period of the Christian era.
My post was an online news report from Rome (AsiaNews). It was not an American post.
Do you understand what a "crackdown is?" The Chinese government certainly does.
Think Tiananmen Square in Beijing on the night of June 3-4, 1989.
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I expect to see a cross or two... Maybe some mural... (show quote)
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