Another Muslim warns Christian belief offends him
Jan 28, 2019 11:18:17 #
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WND EXCLUSIVE
Another Muslim warns Christian belief offends him
Robert Spencer:
Many observers were stunned when a Christian making a basic statement of faith – that Jesus is the Son of God – was considered an insult to Muslims.
The dispute was in Uganda, but now the same issue has erupted in the United States’ neighbor to the north, Canada.
There, a Muslim leader declared Muslims must take offense when people declare Jesus is the Son of God.
Robert Spencer at Jihad Watch wrote that, apparently, “Christians who are anxious to avoid offending Muslims should convert to Islam now, because the simple expression of the Christian faith offends Muslims.”
It was Sheikh Younus Kathrada who said he stands by his statement that Muslims should be offended, though not necessarily become violent, when people worship Jesus or refer to him as the Son of God.
The Middle East Media Research Institute said he “further criticized the media for wanting to make Muslims look like savages and said that since a proper Islamic state – which he said does not exist today – would punish murder, adultery, and other severe crimes by things such as death and amputation, his remarks cannot be taken to mean that he encourages these behaviors.”
He also stated: “Because it seems that some reporters and media outlets have nothing better to do than spread lies and inaccurate reports, I feel that it is important to clarify things, but on our terms.”
“I have never and I still do not, and I never will, tell people to just go out and kill people willy nilly and so on and so forth,” Kathrada said. “… Do you know why I said that? I said that because after I made the comments that I did, I anticipated that there may be some unintelligent people out there, not my audience, but unintelligent people who may come across this sermon and they may accuse me of saying certain things that I did not say.”
He noted his comment that “you and I must be offended when people say that they worship Jesus or when they say that Jesus is the son of God.”
“Guess what, I stand 100 percent behind these words. I said those words and I stand behind them, 100 percent.”
He said the Christmas holiday is Christian “and it is based on what Islam deems to be blasphemy.”
“Don’t tell me that we can be okay with saying ‘Merry Christmas’ you prove to me how it can be okay. Out of politeness, okay, so go and congratulate the fornicators then. You won’t do it unless you are one of them or you happen to have that mentality where you think it is okay, there is nothing wrong with it. Or a rapist. … Extreme examples? Well, they are not extreme, they are real examples.”
He said it is wrong for Muslims to want to be polite.
In that case, “You are not a principled individual.”
In a “proper” Islamic state, he said, there will be “severe punishments” for those crimes.
In Uganda, Muslims believe they can “justifiably exact revenge” if they are subjected to such thoughts.
Spencer wrote that Muslims “now consider any public statement of the Christian faith to be a calculated insult to Muslims, for which they can justifiably exact revenge.”
“This is, or should be, sobering news for the comfortable Christians of the West who have made an idol out of ‘interfaith dialogue’ and fastidiously avoid saying anything remotely critical about Islam, even as the Muslim persecution of Christians continues worldwide.”
The Washington Times reported that in June a group of Muslims attacked Christian preachers in eastern Uganda during a “crusade” in which Christians publicly professed their faith and invited others to join.
Muslims in the town accused the Christians of mocking Islam by publicly saying Jesus was the Son of God.
Christian pastor Moses Saku said the accusation provoked violence by local Muslims.
“They became very angry and began throwing rocks at Christians, chanting ‘Allah akbar.’ Many Christians were injured during the incident,” he said.
Spencer wrote with tongue in cheek: “Christians, stop saying Jesus is the Son of God. It provokes Muslims.”
WND has reported on a movement among Muslim nations to create a worldwide ban on any criticism of Islam.
Leaders in Pakistan now say they are “spearheading efforts to get countries to sign onto the “International Convention on Preventing the Defamation of Religions,” which would provide Islam with that special protection.
The document states “freedom of speech is an insufficient pretext for hurting the world’s Muslims.”
Another Muslim warns Christian belief offends him
Robert Spencer:
Many observers were stunned when a Christian making a basic statement of faith – that Jesus is the Son of God – was considered an insult to Muslims.
The dispute was in Uganda, but now the same issue has erupted in the United States’ neighbor to the north, Canada.
There, a Muslim leader declared Muslims must take offense when people declare Jesus is the Son of God.
Robert Spencer at Jihad Watch wrote that, apparently, “Christians who are anxious to avoid offending Muslims should convert to Islam now, because the simple expression of the Christian faith offends Muslims.”
It was Sheikh Younus Kathrada who said he stands by his statement that Muslims should be offended, though not necessarily become violent, when people worship Jesus or refer to him as the Son of God.
The Middle East Media Research Institute said he “further criticized the media for wanting to make Muslims look like savages and said that since a proper Islamic state – which he said does not exist today – would punish murder, adultery, and other severe crimes by things such as death and amputation, his remarks cannot be taken to mean that he encourages these behaviors.”
He also stated: “Because it seems that some reporters and media outlets have nothing better to do than spread lies and inaccurate reports, I feel that it is important to clarify things, but on our terms.”
“I have never and I still do not, and I never will, tell people to just go out and kill people willy nilly and so on and so forth,” Kathrada said. “… Do you know why I said that? I said that because after I made the comments that I did, I anticipated that there may be some unintelligent people out there, not my audience, but unintelligent people who may come across this sermon and they may accuse me of saying certain things that I did not say.”
He noted his comment that “you and I must be offended when people say that they worship Jesus or when they say that Jesus is the son of God.”
“Guess what, I stand 100 percent behind these words. I said those words and I stand behind them, 100 percent.”
He said the Christmas holiday is Christian “and it is based on what Islam deems to be blasphemy.”
“Don’t tell me that we can be okay with saying ‘Merry Christmas’ you prove to me how it can be okay. Out of politeness, okay, so go and congratulate the fornicators then. You won’t do it unless you are one of them or you happen to have that mentality where you think it is okay, there is nothing wrong with it. Or a rapist. … Extreme examples? Well, they are not extreme, they are real examples.”
He said it is wrong for Muslims to want to be polite.
In that case, “You are not a principled individual.”
In a “proper” Islamic state, he said, there will be “severe punishments” for those crimes.
In Uganda, Muslims believe they can “justifiably exact revenge” if they are subjected to such thoughts.
Spencer wrote that Muslims “now consider any public statement of the Christian faith to be a calculated insult to Muslims, for which they can justifiably exact revenge.”
“This is, or should be, sobering news for the comfortable Christians of the West who have made an idol out of ‘interfaith dialogue’ and fastidiously avoid saying anything remotely critical about Islam, even as the Muslim persecution of Christians continues worldwide.”
The Washington Times reported that in June a group of Muslims attacked Christian preachers in eastern Uganda during a “crusade” in which Christians publicly professed their faith and invited others to join.
Muslims in the town accused the Christians of mocking Islam by publicly saying Jesus was the Son of God.
Christian pastor Moses Saku said the accusation provoked violence by local Muslims.
“They became very angry and began throwing rocks at Christians, chanting ‘Allah akbar.’ Many Christians were injured during the incident,” he said.
Spencer wrote with tongue in cheek: “Christians, stop saying Jesus is the Son of God. It provokes Muslims.”
WND has reported on a movement among Muslim nations to create a worldwide ban on any criticism of Islam.
Leaders in Pakistan now say they are “spearheading efforts to get countries to sign onto the “International Convention on Preventing the Defamation of Religions,” which would provide Islam with that special protection.
The document states “freedom of speech is an insufficient pretext for hurting the world’s Muslims.”
Jan 28, 2019 11:22:03 #
Many Jews will tell you the same thing so what's the difference
quote=no propaganda please]WND EXCLUSIVE
Another Muslim warns Christian belief offends him
Robert Spencer:
Many observers were stunned when a Christian making a basic statement of faith – that Jesus is the Son of God – was considered an insult to Muslims.
The dispute was in Uganda, but now the same issue has erupted in the United States’ neighbor to the north, Canada.
There, a Muslim leader declared Muslims must take offense when people declare Jesus is the Son of God.
Robert Spencer at Jihad Watch wrote that, apparently, “Christians who are anxious to avoid offending Muslims should convert to Islam now, because the simple expression of the Christian faith offends Muslims.”
It was Sheikh Younus Kathrada who said he stands by his statement that Muslims should be offended, though not necessarily become violent, when people worship Jesus or refer to him as the Son of God.
The Middle East Media Research Institute said he “further criticized the media for wanting to make Muslims look like savages and said that since a proper Islamic state – which he said does not exist today – would punish murder, adultery, and other severe crimes by things such as death and amputation, his remarks cannot be taken to mean that he encourages these behaviors.”
He also stated: “Because it seems that some reporters and media outlets have nothing better to do than spread lies and inaccurate reports, I feel that it is important to clarify things, but on our terms.”
“I have never and I still do not, and I never will, tell people to just go out and kill people willy nilly and so on and so forth,” Kathrada said. “… Do you know why I said that? I said that because after I made the comments that I did, I anticipated that there may be some unintelligent people out there, not my audience, but unintelligent people who may come across this sermon and they may accuse me of saying certain things that I did not say.”
He noted his comment that “you and I must be offended when people say that they worship Jesus or when they say that Jesus is the son of God.”
“Guess what, I stand 100 percent behind these words. I said those words and I stand behind them, 100 percent.”
He said the Christmas holiday is Christian “and it is based on what Islam deems to be blasphemy.”
“Don’t tell me that we can be okay with saying ‘Merry Christmas’ you prove to me how it can be okay. Out of politeness, okay, so go and congratulate the fornicators then. You won’t do it unless you are one of them or you happen to have that mentality where you think it is okay, there is nothing wrong with it. Or a rapist. … Extreme examples? Well, they are not extreme, they are real examples.”
He said it is wrong for Muslims to want to be polite.
In that case, “You are not a principled individual.”
In a “proper” Islamic state, he said, there will be “severe punishments” for those crimes.
In Uganda, Muslims believe they can “justifiably exact revenge” if they are subjected to such thoughts.
Spencer wrote that Muslims “now consider any public statement of the Christian faith to be a calculated insult to Muslims, for which they can justifiably exact revenge.”
“This is, or should be, sobering news for the comfortable Christians of the West who have made an idol out of ‘interfaith dialogue’ and fastidiously avoid saying anything remotely critical about Islam, even as the Muslim persecution of Christians continues worldwide.”
The Washington Times reported that in June a group of Muslims attacked Christian preachers in eastern Uganda during a “crusade” in which Christians publicly professed their faith and invited others to join.
Muslims in the town accused the Christians of mocking Islam by publicly saying Jesus was the Son of God.
Christian pastor Moses Saku said the accusation provoked violence by local Muslims.
“They became very angry and began throwing rocks at Christians, chanting ‘Allah akbar.’ Many Christians were injured during the incident,” he said.
Spencer wrote with tongue in cheek: “Christians, stop saying Jesus is the Son of God. It provokes Muslims.”
WND has reported on a movement among Muslim nations to create a worldwide ban on any criticism of Islam.
Leaders in Pakistan now say they are “spearheading efforts to get countries to sign onto the “International Convention on Preventing the Defamation of Religions,” which would provide Islam with that special protection.
The document states “freedom of speech is an insufficient pretext for hurting the world’s Muslims.”[/quote]
quote=no propaganda please]WND EXCLUSIVE
Another Muslim warns Christian belief offends him
Robert Spencer:
Many observers were stunned when a Christian making a basic statement of faith – that Jesus is the Son of God – was considered an insult to Muslims.
The dispute was in Uganda, but now the same issue has erupted in the United States’ neighbor to the north, Canada.
There, a Muslim leader declared Muslims must take offense when people declare Jesus is the Son of God.
Robert Spencer at Jihad Watch wrote that, apparently, “Christians who are anxious to avoid offending Muslims should convert to Islam now, because the simple expression of the Christian faith offends Muslims.”
It was Sheikh Younus Kathrada who said he stands by his statement that Muslims should be offended, though not necessarily become violent, when people worship Jesus or refer to him as the Son of God.
The Middle East Media Research Institute said he “further criticized the media for wanting to make Muslims look like savages and said that since a proper Islamic state – which he said does not exist today – would punish murder, adultery, and other severe crimes by things such as death and amputation, his remarks cannot be taken to mean that he encourages these behaviors.”
He also stated: “Because it seems that some reporters and media outlets have nothing better to do than spread lies and inaccurate reports, I feel that it is important to clarify things, but on our terms.”
“I have never and I still do not, and I never will, tell people to just go out and kill people willy nilly and so on and so forth,” Kathrada said. “… Do you know why I said that? I said that because after I made the comments that I did, I anticipated that there may be some unintelligent people out there, not my audience, but unintelligent people who may come across this sermon and they may accuse me of saying certain things that I did not say.”
He noted his comment that “you and I must be offended when people say that they worship Jesus or when they say that Jesus is the son of God.”
“Guess what, I stand 100 percent behind these words. I said those words and I stand behind them, 100 percent.”
He said the Christmas holiday is Christian “and it is based on what Islam deems to be blasphemy.”
“Don’t tell me that we can be okay with saying ‘Merry Christmas’ you prove to me how it can be okay. Out of politeness, okay, so go and congratulate the fornicators then. You won’t do it unless you are one of them or you happen to have that mentality where you think it is okay, there is nothing wrong with it. Or a rapist. … Extreme examples? Well, they are not extreme, they are real examples.”
He said it is wrong for Muslims to want to be polite.
In that case, “You are not a principled individual.”
In a “proper” Islamic state, he said, there will be “severe punishments” for those crimes.
In Uganda, Muslims believe they can “justifiably exact revenge” if they are subjected to such thoughts.
Spencer wrote that Muslims “now consider any public statement of the Christian faith to be a calculated insult to Muslims, for which they can justifiably exact revenge.”
“This is, or should be, sobering news for the comfortable Christians of the West who have made an idol out of ‘interfaith dialogue’ and fastidiously avoid saying anything remotely critical about Islam, even as the Muslim persecution of Christians continues worldwide.”
The Washington Times reported that in June a group of Muslims attacked Christian preachers in eastern Uganda during a “crusade” in which Christians publicly professed their faith and invited others to join.
Muslims in the town accused the Christians of mocking Islam by publicly saying Jesus was the Son of God.
Christian pastor Moses Saku said the accusation provoked violence by local Muslims.
“They became very angry and began throwing rocks at Christians, chanting ‘Allah akbar.’ Many Christians were injured during the incident,” he said.
Spencer wrote with tongue in cheek: “Christians, stop saying Jesus is the Son of God. It provokes Muslims.”
WND has reported on a movement among Muslim nations to create a worldwide ban on any criticism of Islam.
Leaders in Pakistan now say they are “spearheading efforts to get countries to sign onto the “International Convention on Preventing the Defamation of Religions,” which would provide Islam with that special protection.
The document states “freedom of speech is an insufficient pretext for hurting the world’s Muslims.”[/quote]
Jan 28, 2019 11:25:47 #
no propaganda please wrote:
WND EXCLUSIVE br Another Muslim warns Christian be... (show quote)
Well his objection offends me!! Doesn’t like it go home and then you won’t hear it...
In this country you assimilate to its guiding principal and foundation..
Pray and worship as you will, we do the same!!!
Its idiots like this that makes all muslims look bad. Which is not the case I will add..
Jan 28, 2019 11:35:04 #
no propaganda please wrote:
WND EXCLUSIVE br Another Muslim warns Christian be... (show quote)
Amen and Amen and that is the direction that the world is heading into and it will be total chaos.
Jan 28, 2019 11:38:56 #
no propaganda please wrote:
WND EXCLUSIVE br Another Muslim warns Christian be... (show quote)
His basic premise is true... Islam holds that Christ is not God... All christian holidays are innately 'offensive' to Islam... Just as all non-christian holidays worshipping alternatively are innately 'offensive' to Christianity... (Thanks for the example, Lonewolf)...
He is entitled to his beliefs but should keep them private where they belong... There is no call for this sort of radicalism...
Muslims who do not wish to be subject to christian philosophy should not immigrate to Christian nations...
I doubt he would enjoy life in Saudi Arabia...
Jan 28, 2019 11:41:57 #
Quote:
"Pray and worship as you will, we do the same!!!"
Easier said than done... We (Homo Sapiens) do enjoy our biases...
Quote:
"Its idiots like this that makes all muslims look bad. Which is not the case I will add.."
Exactly correct... I forgot to add this to my response....
"Pray and worship as you will, we do the same!!!"
Easier said than done... We (Homo Sapiens) do enjoy our biases...
Quote:
"Its idiots like this that makes all muslims look bad. Which is not the case I will add.."
Exactly correct... I forgot to add this to my response....
Jan 28, 2019 11:44:25 #
lindajoy wrote:
Well his objection offends me!! Doesn’t like it go home and then you won’t hear it...
In this country you assimilate to its guiding principal and foundation..
Pray and worship as you will, we do the same!!!
Its idiots like this that makes all muslims look bad. Which is not the case I will add..
In this country you assimilate to its guiding principal and foundation..
Pray and worship as you will, we do the same!!!
Its idiots like this that makes all muslims look bad. Which is not the case I will add..
But how do you separate them and tell the good ones from the bad ones and how do you know which will cut off your head for a remark like this and which ones won't and can we really take a chance regarding this. If we send them all back to their native countries we will have solved the problems in one action.
Jan 28, 2019 11:45:30 #
bahmer wrote:
But how do you separate them and tell the good ones from the bad ones and how do you know which will cut off your head for a remark like this and which ones won't and can we really take a chance regarding this. If we send them all back to their native countries we will have solved the problems in one action.
I bet the American Indians once faced a similar dilemma
Jan 28, 2019 12:57:13 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
His basic premise is true... Islam holds that Chri... (show quote)
Sex and religion sure creates a lot of dissent when it should create a lot of love, compassion and wholeness...
Such private matters is no ones business and we should go back to that foundation .... I don’t care what religion you are or gender or sexual preferences, why is it all so important to others and what right does anyone have to condemn a person for their beliefs?
Jan 28, 2019 13:15:40 #
Boo_Boo
Loc: Jellystone
Lonewolf wrote:
Many Jews will tell you the same thing so what's the difference
Wow..... really? Whenever a discussion like this comes up..... Christians being treated badly.... and those Christians may live on the moon...... sooner or later a antisemite will come up with "the Jews." In this case a Muslim says that Christians offend him.... so your reaction.... Blame the Jew!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0CnztwtIME
Jan 28, 2019 13:25:36 #
Pennylynn wrote:
Wow..... really? Whenever a discussion like this comes up..... Christians being treated badly.... and those Christians may live on the moon...... sooner or later a antisemite will come up with "the Jews." In this case a Muslim says that Christians offend him.... so your reaction.... Blame the Jew!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0CnztwtIME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0CnztwtIME
You beat to it and said the truth!!!
Jan 28, 2019 13:46:00 #
Boo_Boo
Loc: Jellystone
Thank you Linda.
Did you know, according to FBI statistics 54 percent of all (reported) hate crimes in the US are against Jews and 75 percent of all Jews in the US has experienced antisemitism... The vast majority of hate crimes against Jews go unreported and many that are, those taking the information simply say "possible hate crime" which is not included in FBI statistics. So, I suspect that 54 percent is very low....yet how many marches have we orchestrated against any other religion? This is not to say that we do not have our "crazies" because we do. Do we have Jews that resent muslims... oh yes we do. In my almost 70 years, I have learned a fact, indisputable and it crosses all religions, policies, and has no nation.... hate does not have a religion color, or borders...
Enough of my soap box.....
Did you know, according to FBI statistics 54 percent of all (reported) hate crimes in the US are against Jews and 75 percent of all Jews in the US has experienced antisemitism... The vast majority of hate crimes against Jews go unreported and many that are, those taking the information simply say "possible hate crime" which is not included in FBI statistics. So, I suspect that 54 percent is very low....yet how many marches have we orchestrated against any other religion? This is not to say that we do not have our "crazies" because we do. Do we have Jews that resent muslims... oh yes we do. In my almost 70 years, I have learned a fact, indisputable and it crosses all religions, policies, and has no nation.... hate does not have a religion color, or borders...
Enough of my soap box.....
lindajoy wrote:
You beat to it and said the truth!!!
Jan 28, 2019 14:04:18 #
bahmer wrote:
But how do you separate them and tell the good ones from the bad ones and how do you know which will cut off your head for a remark like this and which ones won't and can we really take a chance regarding this. If we send them all back to their native countries we will have solved the problems in one action.
Don't make a remark like that in the first place, why?
We have heard a fair number of religiously inclined people make what I think is a good point, and it's about gays making such a big deal about being gay, how they want special privileges because they are.
I am of the opinion that they can keep their sexual preferences to themselves, nobody needs to know or be told they are gay unless their flaming personality makes it obvious.
Religion is the same, nobody needs to know, and there are no special privileges accorded with being so. You don't get to treat anyone including gays differently because of your personal religious beliefs.
People in general do not feel anything about a person's religion, unless perhaps it's christian's about muslims or vice a versa. People are not persecuting christians, they are persecuting racist misogynistic bigots who happen to be doing it in the name of religion, and that is giving christians an associated bad name.
This rhetoric that christians are being persecuted is wrong and it's dangerous to make people feel that they are being persecuted as a group.
Jan 28, 2019 14:16:40 #
Your welcome Penny...
No, I did not know the percentages but found them low based on what I have seen...
It seems our government has become acutely aware of the need to hide these numbers if they indicate a hate crime.. Along with others involving minorities etc..
You are ever so right when you say~ hate has no religion, color or borders..
It is also the one thing that will take us all down soon enough if we do not change this promotion of hate!!
No soap box when you post, Penny!! Never!!
No, I did not know the percentages but found them low based on what I have seen...
It seems our government has become acutely aware of the need to hide these numbers if they indicate a hate crime.. Along with others involving minorities etc..
You are ever so right when you say~ hate has no religion, color or borders..
It is also the one thing that will take us all down soon enough if we do not change this promotion of hate!!
No soap box when you post, Penny!! Never!!
Pennylynn wrote:
Thank you Linda. br br Did you know, according ... (show quote)
Jan 28, 2019 17:15:05 #
woodguru wrote:
Don't make a remark like that in the first place, ... (show quote)
Well said and well spoken...
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